BUGGY_1600

Hello everyone.
I'm building a Buggy 1600 motocross car
Did
Model - needs revision
XFG engine
The suspension needs some work.

I still have a bunch of questions and answers) on discipline, type of suspension, characteristics, maximum speed, weight of the car.
If anyone has data on the technical requirements of the class, please provide information. If there's)

Hello,
I think you can find interestning informations here :
https://www.fia.com/sites/defa ... 9a-ab_wmsc_2021.10.15.pdf
it comes from this championship :
https://www.fia.com/fr/node/7539
Hope it can help... I dream of driving this !

Quote from KingOfIce :

Hello,
I think you can find interestning informations here :
https://www.fia.com/sites/defa ... 9a-ab_wmsc_2021.10.15.pdf
it comes from this championship :
https://www.fia.com/fr/node/7539
Hope it can help... I dream of driving this !

Thanks!

oh great !
i hope you 'll propose 2 configs : with resin body and without with just the roll cage and frame !

Great project! looking foward to this one! love it.

I tried to submit a mod post for review.
Innovation.
License plates have been created for the participants. Works on the principle of filling in a license plate. One or two digits.

This can divide riders if the colors of the cars are the same.

In addition, the license plate can be painted in any color in the garage.

I can’t wait to try this out! What’s the power to weight ratio? I’m loving the off-road cars in LFS. They are super fun

Not to difficult to parameter the suspension? ^^

Quote from RE Amemiya :

I can’t wait to try this out! What’s the power to weight ratio? I’m loving the off-road cars in LFS. They are super fun

So far, I'm only doing physics. I do it according to the parameters according to the sensations. The motor is standard. It's just nice to drive.

Quote from NENE87 :

Not to difficult to parameter the suspension? ^^

A very interesting question. I don’t spend much time working on the mod. I realized that I still have little idea how to do it right.

this "licence plate" turn into a "number plate" is a great idea !

Quote from Tomfuel :

this "licence plate" turn into a "number plate" is a great idea !

Thanks)

New
All suspension reworked, hub models added (draft model). Mirrors. Weight distribution.

Submitted a second application for publication.

А сзади точно макферсон должен быть?

Quote from Foch_sho :

А сзади точно макферсон должен быть?

по фоткам некоторым на него похоже.

I think the power curve is a bit too narrow, only makes power at very very high revs.

Quote from fatalunfair :

I think the power curve is a bit too narrow, only makes power at very very high revs.

I know. I am working on an engine. And maybe I'll do four-wheel drive. 4x4.

Reworked suspension.
All-wheel drive 4x4
Changed motor, sound.
Added configuration No license plate (Select configuration)

I get no steering forces in my wheel whatsoever. I can feel collisions etc but absolutely no self centering torque.

i think this buggy is too much overpowered. it is a real challenge to drive it

Quote from Tomfuel :

i think this buggy is too much overpowered. it is a real challenge to drive it

Update coming soon. The engine is weaker, the appearance of the body is updated

i've had the same problem with the KRT CR, but now is better, you need adjust torque at "000"rpm, maybe you can find a decent torque from internet?You can check the "before/after" pics on the topicof the KRT.It appears some engines could be use in this category : Nissan V6, BMW M3, Porsche flat-6... For example : Nissan 350Z engine : 358nm at 4800 rpm.

Made enough changes to the car. Looking forward to physics feedback. Ride enjoy.

I want to ask for advice. Since there are very few dirt tracks, and there is no way to put your dirt surface on the road in shift + U mode, I want to transfer the buggy class to another class where there are road tires. What class do you want to transfer to?

There are only two oval tracks, for the longest time there was only one. Still people are doing oval races.
I think there are enough rallyecross tracks (including custom layouts) that there is decent places to race such buggy. It does not need roadtires in my opinion.

I was surprised how much it understeered on asphalt. Not saying if it is bad or unrealistic, honestly I have no idea, and I only tried briefly with mouse. Just when you brake from high speed and turn in a bit...you plow straight ahead. On dirt it handles better. Add some AI drivers on Blackwood Rallye or Fernbay Green, they act very surprised too. I guess it is due to all the weight at the rear.

Quote from Dmitry[RUS :

;1985895"]Since there are very few dirt tracks...

I've got 21 on PiranMOTOGrassRacing with 17,000 laps between them... help yourself to any of my ones for any purpose (!vote to vote for track change)

Quote from Gutholz :

There are only two oval tracks, for the longest time there was only one. Still people are doing oval races.
I think there are enough rallyecross tracks (including custom layouts) that there is decent places to race such buggy. It does not need roadtires in my opinion.

I was surprised how much it understeered on asphalt. Not saying if it is bad or unrealistic, honestly I have no idea, and I only tried briefly with mouse. Just when you brake from high speed and turn in a bit...you plow straight ahead. On dirt it handles better. Add some AI drivers on Blackwood Rallye or Fernbay Green, they act very surprised too. I guess it is due to all the weight at the rear.

Thanks for the answer. Yes, I know about the problems with physics, I can only model. So I would really like a track editor if it ever comes out very soon. I have about 9 simulated tracks for rf1 rallycross and winter ovals, I wanted to transfer them to rf2 but rf2 did not live up to the stated expectations. AC is a good platform, I made one track for it in the winter version, but the physics does not inspire optimism. LFS is the only platform I'm happy with and the mod system is excellent. I even intuitively understand how to model, if there are questions, I will ask. But physics is not my forte.
Through trial and error, I try to balance the properties and dynamics of the car.
I wanted road tires, because you just drive on asphalt, the car is simply uncontrollable. But stepping out of the buggy category belies the look of the car. Therefore, this category of appearance and purpose of the car stops me.

This is the same track that is in the AC. I hope someday to simulate it in LFS

Quote from Racon :

I've got 21 on PiranMOTOGrassRacing with 17,000 laps between them... help yourself to any of my ones for any purpose (!vote to vote for track change)

Thanks a lot. The tracks are great!

Not a big update

Modeling, protective grille. Testura. Too bad there's no bulge layer

Added protective mesh.
2 variants of the buggy, sports and training (appearance changes)
Not a big change in suspension design.

So far, I have started making new 3D models of the gearbox engine and drives. I decided to make a new chassis for the new buggy, from the very beginning the frame, I will try to do all the steps in detail. mounts, engine, cab, etc. plastic body kit.

You do really good work with this buggy!

Quote from ACCAkut :

You do really good work with this buggy!

Thanks a lot!
It will probably be an endless project). I do little. Main hobby is drawing. Modeling work, but LFS with its car mod system took over my free time. Switched from drawing to modeling)

Work continues. modeled the motor. Pipes. Bottom of the frame. improved car frame. front arm mountings.

WIP release soon

To be honest the original model looked totally good enough to me.
But if you think you can do even better..thats okay too!

Quote from Gutholz :

To be honest the original model looked totally good enough to me.
But if you think you can do even better..thats okay too!

Thanks. I am making the second version because different car designs of the same class participate in the cup. There are many different ones. I choose according to what I like. If it turns out well in terms of physics, I will try to equalize both of them in terms of the competitive component. Moreover, different cars will participate in one race, which one they like best. + Some outer parts will overlap each other. I will add hubs to the first version, maybe I will change the engine model.
And if someday there will be a track editor, then there will already be cars for dirt racing)

Updated the car. Hybrid version of the buggy formula.
But the main direction is Buggy.

This is an under-appreciated mod. I'm finding the road version lots of fun to drive.

Can you please add ability to install ROAD tires on the Buggy V2?

Quote from farcar :

This is an under-appreciated mod. I'm finding the road version lots of fun to drive.

Thanks!

Quote from Amynue :

Can you please add ability to install ROAD tires on the Buggy V2?

Necessarily. I'll just figure out what class of buggy and different classes of tires will be. And then with the update of the first version, for some reason, off-road tires turned off.
In addition, I model the body in more detail, then the skin will be applied.

The concept of renewal.

Work in progress

Not a big update

I appreciate this mod. Thanks for all the effort!

Hi all!
I had a big break. Almost in a hurry while doing some parts for the buggy, made a mud kart.
Are you interested in riding it? It's a pity there are no flat large land plots, but it's also funny on the grass)

I think the kart deserves its own thread, it will get confusing otherwise.

On the buggy:
It feels strange if you can adjust downforce in the setup but the chasis without visible wings is selected. You could make it two different cars, like Jake_Blasted did with his historic F1 mods.
Personally I prefer the offroad version without downforce because there are already several openwheel cars for track racing. But no other race buggy mods.

The v2 buggy has mirrored skin-mapping.

I know about downforce, it was an experiment.
Development continues slowly, downforce is removed, and off-road tires will be matched without error. Fixed mirror image skin. in addition, changes will be made to the 3d model.

Thanks for the feedback.

The "v2" buggy gives this error message:

Quote :

Cross-texture triangle found in LOD1 - mapping corrected

I did not notice before that there is a "no bodywork" option and just spend some minutes looking at all the details underneath, it is nice.
The two buggies would be good canidates for approval, if minor things are cleaned up and development is more stable. (aereo experimenting is finished etc)
Throw in some default skins and it would be good to go.

I am not sure if the "no bodywork" option should stay: On one hand it is cool to look at the frame and compoments. But it would look rather silly if in a race half the vehicles drive around with no body.
Maybe as compromise one of the configs could be a bit more see-through from the sides.

And maybe have one RWD and one AWD version? Like FXR vs XRR and FZR in GTR class. Gives a bit variety and an "easy" option.
But for dirt it is probably harder to balance than in GTR class because AWD will be such big advantage.

Quote from Gutholz :

The "v2" buggy gives this error message:


I did not notice before that there is a "no bodywork" option and just spend some minutes looking at all the details underneath, it is nice.
The two buggies would be good canidates for approval, if minor things are cleaned up and development is more stable. (aereo experimenting is finished etc)
Throw in some default skins and it would be good to go.

I am not sure if the "no bodywork" option should stay: On one hand it is cool to look at the frame and compoments. But it would look rather silly if in a race half the vehicles drive around with no body.
Maybe as compromise one of the configs could be a bit more see-through from the sides.

And maybe have one RWD and one AWD version? Like FXR vs XRR and FZR in GTR class. Gives a bit variety and an "easy" option.
But for dirt it is probably harder to balance than in GTR class because AWD will be such big advantage.

Thanks for the detailed description and review! I appreciate it.

I don’t work much with karting now, the reader is still with the dirty version, but in order not to multiply the list in mods, we look at the next external version for the road and drift versions.
New control panel on the smartphone, brake lights on the road version, some added details from the MPT5.
Control panel introduced.