personally playing lfs for just over one year i think that its the tracks. LFS has nice tracks but not enough of them that is the biggest thing i see compared to iracing which im playing now., I love fern bay but the curbs are ridiculous prolly my only gripe about the tracks. im glad i have another option to go to while i wait.

someone said lfs is lacking behind other sims. but i think tis a 50/50 thing like iracing doesnt yet have a modeled clutch nor does it model dirt on tires so besides you might spin there is no negative effects for getting tires dirty.lfs has a way better pit layout and interface,then iracing has things that lfs doesnt. but it still AMAZES me that only 3 poeple make lfs.

One thing is for sure you might wait a long time for a update but its proper when it comes.
Hell i would continue playing lfs if it was only the RAC

they should take abs out it so silly seeing people apply full pressure then just totally lift off and the car is stable makes it soo noob freindly. Ive raced with people on bl1 xrg that would do high 133's now they are doing near 132's because of abs. takes the driving out of driving IMO i guess im just old school where drivers input the controls not electronic systems.

the worst thing about the xrr is the start line. you can start pole and if there is a fxr or a fzr behind you ...youll lose your position maybe 2 or 3. it is absolutley horrid off the line. ive treid everything watching where the turbo is i usually start off with -2..-3 turbo active but it jsut doesnt grab like the other cars you can go basically flat out xrr takes finesse and its still slower

have not installed yet one question i have a high res pack installed from lfs database can i just install this over it? or do i have to replace the original lfs files then install?

i didnt tell anyone to do anything[i said should do a suggestion] actually if you read the quote you used from me i said i understand if you cant get a wheel. but with a mouse you can drive the car in a way that you cant with a wheel with a kb youll just be in the way yeah sure there are some idiot savants out there that can drive with these things but they are far and few inbetween. about chase view its only harder if your not used to it some people that console race alot are used to it and can drive fast and you can see things you normally would not in the IN car view.

And i also say the developers made it this way.... kinda wierd aint it? a serious sim with kb mouse and chase and wheel views you can use during a race aint to serious IMHO. ANy time im in a server and see kb stablize,brakehelp,anything like that im staying away from that driver. there should be no brake help[accordingg to the lfs homepage you should do the driving so why all the help to drive?]. My point is these things shouldnt be IMO
. they are there so what can you do .......

I love lfs just saying most bad drivers i run into are kb or mouse users. Sure more poeple can try lfs with kb and mouse but do we really want these people to play on s2 servers on our side door? lol. i think this is the only "serious" sim that you can drive without a wheel{kb,mouse}. there is a way to filter server side who can join maybe i need to do that like NARA filters out non g25,porsche wheel users. not trying to start a big thing and i thought i said the previous post in a light hearted tone have fun on the track.

PS i started on a gamepad [demo] that lasted for about 5 days maybe a week i understood that i needed a wheel to get a full experience and drive properly. I wouldnt buy s2 without a wheel nor would i try to race in s2 with a kb or mouse becuase i know i would just be a hazard. again some people can drive mouse but they are far and few inbetween. and turning lock to lock in .1 seconds does happen to catch oversteer , ive seen some very wierd things with mouse users you CAN[not saying you have to] exploit it to drive in a unnatural way.

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"Hardcore" driving simulators are, and always will be, a niche market. I think even half the people who play LFS completely miss the point.
What is "the point"?

I play (yes, I said play, LFS is a game to me) LFS for 4 years and used chase view all the time. I even used keyboard in the whole first year. Yet I still had a lot of fun with LFS in those 4 years and will continue to do so.

I don't think that I missed "the point" of LFS.
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i only want to comment on the kb and mouse users and chase view people, and also poeple that play on the wheels{your inside the car but there is no body just the wheels are seen}. let me first say play how you want but to drive this game like that is icky to me like they say on their home page

"LFS S2 is a serious racing simulator. No arcade modes, no steering aids - YOU have to do the driving[well they did put abs on cars eww]. It is therefore highly recommended to drive the sim with a steering wheel, because even though you can use keyboard and/or mouse, a wheel is what you use in a real car, so a wheel should be used in a serious racing simulator. Especially when going online, where fast reactions are required.

i know having fun is whats its all about and poeple have fun using the wheel/chase view but its a cheat really...why? becuase you cant do that in a real car it makes it more acrade type feeling yeah you might be faster and see more but again well whatever....ima leave that alone

those using mouse/kb should be palying on mouse/kb only servers[if you cant afford a wheel i understand jsut saying] or something becuase you cant turn lock to lock in .1 seconds with a proper wheel again whatever but i will agree people miss the point if they use these things it meant to be a serious sim and that takes away from the vision well...what the hell am i saying the poeple making this "sim" made it possible so i guess they are putting in things counterintuitive to their OWN mission statement. sorry about the 30 seconds you wasted reading this just like to talk .

If they want it to be more serious they should take these things out that is one thing[there are others] i like about iracing there is only in car view and you cant drive with a mouse or kb i guess they wanted it to be serious... more serious than lfs.ANd the community shows that as a whole more so than lfs. [i know there are good people here but there are more knuckleheads also]

I still wont pay for that shite though[iracing]

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I DISagree about its take a g25 minimum im racing with a DFP the old one... has 900 degrees but it turns slow. anyways i jsut got a promo about a week ago for iracing with the radical car included. It doesnt tkae much to go fast in iracing doesnt take tons of pratice actually i got faster quicker in iracing then lfs. for example laguna in the rookie soltice i hit a 148 my second night i never have driven on that track b4 and 148 in the rookie base set aint shabby...took me forever and a day to hit 133 in the xrg bl1 definitely not 2 nights. On LIme ROck Park my first night i hit a low 104. next day a 103.7 in the rookies solitce base set{i have never driven a lap on this track b4 or heard of it]. the radical car isnt hard to drive either it actually feels like gtr evo with more steering lock {to me}. Iracing is fun though but for me not worth the $ the quality of racing as a whole is better but then again your locked into their "system" not enough freedom for me and when i go back on the track at lfs im thinking wow 3 people made this and as far as how the cars feels i dont see much difference they are both good. Iracing still doesnt have a fully modeled clutch if your a oval fan which im not iracing has little to offer me[my fav cars in lfs are RAC\LX's/XRR]there are no cars like that in iracing

But there are things i think lfs can use from iracing the spotter hell yeah the spotter is nice you can concentrate on driving instead of looking aournd to see if your clear nic option. A license system would be nice but as a alternate to pick up racing so you still ahve freedom. as a whole if i didnt have to pay monthly and pay for cars and tracks{is this really the future of sim racing paying 4 tracks?}. ohh my iracing name is Joseph C. Richardson.

PS wish i couldve watied to try the corvette that is coming out.

Last edited by ANAMENOONEHAD, Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:20.

im praying for you driving the RAC with a kb. May the force be with you. it will definitely feel twitchy with a kb. only thing i could suggest is play with the steering lock. come by team 400 #1 we run RAC FZ5 alot and could pass you a set.

on a lighter note ANYONE that wants to sharpen there RAC skillz drop bye team 400 #1 server not just RAC but the FZ5 also. Since there was alot of people posting in this thread stop by i hardly see anyone actually racing it

Quote from RevengeR :

It masks the deficiency of the car, not the set. But the more people, the more different driving styles they drive, so there wont be a 'perfect set' for the RAC.
And if you really want to drive near WR pace, you musn't let things like this pass by. If you don't want to, or maybe can't, you are one happy man

i dont think the car is deficient at all but different and more unforgiving. I can drive the RAC pretty good. i think the guy that posted above said it better than i have.

Of course there is no perfect set for any car but there is bad sets lol and any set with +.9 in the rear is no good for me...whats good for the goose aint good for the gander

Quote from AutoPilot :

most of my sets us +0.2 and +0.5, and I can get competitive times with it. so I don't think it's that insane...

LOL
1st he said -.4 in front! +.9 in rear! so that is insane to me anyways as for the guy talking about mr2 its not a RAC,just like a 911 aint an elise. hey slap all the rear toe you want on the car but if your using +.9 somethings else is off toe should be used for trim tweaks aye? . Auto you are good at RAC matter of fact we were on the same track AS3 where i was running rac and you lx6 and we traded sets remember? {400}J.Richardson or [400]GoGo. your lx6 set is nice i ran a 200.96 in that set not bad with only 75 laps {and i dont drive that car much}. anyways my RAC set i ran 200.3 not far off the record with little toe and i dont think adding .9 to it will help matter of fact i think i changed it to no toe at the rear at all[as3] so for me for someone to use +.9 to make the car controllable is extreme

IMHO adding all that toe is masking a set up problem. do what you like.

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Quote from Napalm Candy :

Try to put Toe in +0.4 in front and +0.9 in rear. Most important rear toe in. With negative front toe in you will feel more and fast corner entry.

DO not do this . this is insane talk my raceabout sets have maybe +.1 to +.2 toe in back . some of my sets have none. you might run -.2 -.1 in front... maybe... but then braking gets more diffucult. DO not just slap huge amounts of toe because you dont have a proper set.

Quote from durbster :

I never thought there was any way the real car was anything like the LFS version and that video above demonstrates that pretty comprehensively I think.

A lack of ARB does not make that much difference. I've driven my car for several weeks without an ARB and I didn't have any insane handling issues.

LOL. First goto the valumet site the people that make the car and read about it.

"Handling has always been one of the most important features. Rear or middle engine cars with most of the weight on the rear axle, are more demanding for the driver near the critical speed. A lost of grip happens suddenly and momentum of inertia can be a big surprise for the driver. Usually these types of vehicles are understeer cars, because of the easier transient state handling properties for non-experienced drivers. But at the same time you will lose one of the most enjoyable part of mid-engine cars, the fast and accurate steering response."

so they even tell you its not for a inexperienced driver and if your not versed in mid engine/ rear engine cars then guess what? "A lost of grip happens suddenly and momentum of inertia can be a big surprise for the driver." i bet this is what is happening 2 u.

maybe you can drive your car without a rear anti roll but its not a raceabout lol is the engine behind you does the car have a 60/40 wieght ratio i think not.

Raceabout owns. ohh yeah here is the site http://www.raceabout.fi/content/3_3.html look under chassis development.

you must trailbrake this car very smoothly as to not lock up the tires(front) if not youll get horrid corner understeer why? becuase the front is light TB keeps the wieght up front until you wanna gas which when you hit the gas never lift off in a corner never. this should help i make alot of racebaout sets let me know waht track ill see if i can help.

PS i know my mates in team 400 the ones without a wheel with more than 200 degrees find it impossible to drive or very very hard. so if you have a wheel with only 200 rotation maybe stick to xfg xrg racing

Last edited by ANAMENOONEHAD, Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:02.

Team 400 #1 we run lx4-6 and RAC,FZ5 .Im american so im usually on at nite in the states on the weekend also it seems alot of people wanna races these cars but when im in the server only a couple people join. RAcers are welcome anytime we do alot of tracks its on FE green right now(lx4).

400 J.Richardson

There are several ideas i have for lfs most of which prolly has been mentioned. 1 night driving if i have head lights lets use them for there purpose 2 Driving in the wet3 when in force mod i can see the exact vertical load on each tire defined by a number not just the yellow to red bars that way i can see how much load the tire can stand before loss of traction happens a better in game browser that allows friends to be seen ingame not jsut on the web site,(yes i know you can do a search) but a "friends list" would be nice 5 better hit detection with other cars and objects 6 a bigger penalty for hitting curbs and grass

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

We also need a FZ5-RAC server and maybe one for LX4 too.

Team 400 #1 is the server we regularly run lx4-6,RAC,FZ5. thing is most people dont really wanna learn these cars but they are my fav. You are welcome anytime its a dedicated server always up brings your friends that like to drive these underused underrated cars.

I GET THIS error in the dos window. but i cant find any command line where i can set a bit buffer any direction would be great. title should be byte buffer

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ok so i downloaded the 5.52 version i have changed my password in cfg file i typed /insim 29999 in game talk. when i goto have the cfg file open with the exe(drag the cfg file over to the exe hit open with) it doesnt work i get a "the application failed to initialize properly(0xc0000135) when i click on the netstart defualt says the same thing did i download a corrupt file?then adding the line to the cfg in target field stil doesnt work im typing this in target field "C:\Program Files\LFSLapper\bin\LFSLapper.exe" -"C:\Program Files\LFSLapper\cfg\LFSLapper.cfg" im i doing something wrong? anyhelp wouldbe greatly appreciated

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