25 moves down into the side of the 17 causing a crash. Incident Noted in Final Action
25 and 31 make contact causing a crash. The 31 could have went lower, and the 25 could have went higher. Incident Noted in Final Action
The 25 forces the 83 off of the racing surface at apex in turn 3 causing him to spin into the field. The 25 is denied his free pass due to being the cause of the caution flag. Incident Noted In Final Action
The 25 recovers from a caution flag spin and drives his vehicle into the Safety Car Que forcing the race to not be restarted on the following lap, and instead forcing a red flag. This behavior is completely unacceptable. Incident Noted In Final Action
As a result of this and other incidents, the following LFSWorld User Names will be permanently banned from competition in Worldwide Racing events: BMXtwins, Mountain_Dew, RayK, and any other account directly connected to these accounts. The 25 is also disqualified from the Kyoto 400
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The 38 makes his pass attempt clear well in advance of the turn in point, and maintains his position on track as advertized. Those competitors on his outside failed to leave room for him on the inside causing a crash as pointed out above. The Kyoto Ring oval is plenty wide enough for four competitors. Although to some it may be a move too aggressive for that time in the race, there were no rules broken in it. No Action Required
I don't think that Dale's death was the begin of NASCAR's decline. I think it was a bunch of little things starting in 2004 with the chase, and just mismanagement of the sport by NASCAR it's self. The viewership levels in 2004 - 2005 were not sustainable by any means, but more than 66% of it was. They went the wrong direction, and some things were out of their control like the driver's personalities being put down by sponsors (and NASCAR at times). I don't think management is in touch with it's fan base at NASCAR, and probably hasn't been for a few years at least.
Well, let's try this again and see how long it lasts. 
I'm not going to act on anything from this race until a day or two has passed just so that everybody's head can cool. I'm through the first 3 hours and 10 minutes of the race (statistically, not reviewing any incidents except to record them) and have already posted on the Historical Race Statistics 18 cautions (under 200 laps in). This in and of its self is frustrating.
I won't comment on the event beyond that, but I will say that I'm aware that our administration is not to the level that NDR's or GenR's or anybody of the sort. I try, but in the end we're not a consistent team. I'm very appreciative for the help that I do receive, but the admin team we have is constantly changing. Kid222, SpeedyJ, Sobis, and I started RN's large events in 2011, and today only Sobis was with me. He's a great help, but he is also a part of LLM, so any of those incidents were difficult to handle being that he was reviewing most if not all of them. Jsrk was in the Safety Car, and as such busy the whole race. DriverLT has only been with us for a month, and was in Rescue car and was spotting incidents (many of which were later pointed out by competitors again). I was constantly trying to order the grid and deal with incidents as they occurred under Safety Car (because there were spins, and overtaking, and the whole 9 yards even under Safety Car). Jonathon.Provost was busy today, as was Dekojester, and either one of them would have made this much easier to administrate. Understandably, they had other obligations, and the show went on. Typically, Sobis would have been the SC, but we felt that we really needed as much experience free as we could muster. We gave it our best attempt, and it took all of me to keep my head.
The biggest mistakes that we as a team made aside from the spectating of the 91, was the field which we allowed to enter this event, and my bending to throw cautions more freely right before the start of the event (at the drivers' urging).
I won't comment on the event beyond that, but I will say that I'm aware that our administration is not to the level that NDR's or GenR's or anybody of the sort. I try, but in the end we're not a consistent team. I'm very appreciative for the help that I do receive, but the admin team we have is constantly changing. Kid222, SpeedyJ, Sobis, and I started RN's large events in 2011, and today only Sobis was with me. He's a great help, but he is also a part of LLM, so any of those incidents were difficult to handle being that he was reviewing most if not all of them. Jsrk was in the Safety Car, and as such busy the whole race. DriverLT has only been with us for a month, and was in Rescue car and was spotting incidents (many of which were later pointed out by competitors again). I was constantly trying to order the grid and deal with incidents as they occurred under Safety Car (because there were spins, and overtaking, and the whole 9 yards even under Safety Car). Jonathon.Provost was busy today, as was Dekojester, and either one of them would have made this much easier to administrate. Understandably, they had other obligations, and the show went on. Typically, Sobis would have been the SC, but we felt that we really needed as much experience free as we could muster. We gave it our best attempt, and it took all of me to keep my head.
The biggest mistakes that we as a team made aside from the spectating of the 91, was the field which we allowed to enter this event, and my bending to throw cautions more freely right before the start of the event (at the drivers' urging).
As expected, me saying something did not matter. Thread closed until you guys calm down. Don't take it the Protests Thread, and do not take it to the Stream Thread. This public forum is not a place or this kind of discussion.
If you see something wrong in replay, post a protest in protest thread, otherwise, no bashing one another.
Race Replay: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3t3 ... f1/2014%20Kyoto%20400.mpr
If you see something wrong in replay, post a protest in protest thread, otherwise, no bashing one another.
Race Replay: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3t3 ... f1/2014%20Kyoto%20400.mpr
I can see this is going south quickly. Let's give in a few more minutes and if nothing is better I'm going to close it until cooler heads prevail. If you want to argue about certain incidents simply protest them, but you'll get an unbiased response that will have implications on the race results as they should. We didn't have the time in race control to review anything. Accidents occurred in very quick succession and even under yellow flags there continued to be incidents that required our attention. We reviewed almost no incidents. Almost all incidents will be settled post-race. I expect this week to be full of replays for me 
. If this thread cannot be calmed down I will be forced to close it until cooler head prevail.
. If this thread cannot be calmed down I will be forced to close it until cooler head prevail.Stream Replay is being uploaded and will be available here when it is finished: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... fx28&feature=youtu.be
LFS Replay is also being uploaded and will be available here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent. ... 14/2014%20Kyoto%20400.mpr
LFS Replay is also being uploaded and will be available here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent. ... 14/2014%20Kyoto%20400.mpr
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LiveStream replay is currently being uploaded to YouTube. When finished, it will be at this address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... fx28&feature=youtu.be
This is now open for the race. Only race competitors may post protests.
He does not wish to do so. Race Control Audio only.
Skins Download: https://dl.dropboxusercontent. ... ns/2014%20Kyoto%20400.rar
2014 Kyoto 400 LiveStream @ 18:00 GMT
http://www.simrace.tv/page.php?51
There will not be commentators, but I will try to rotate the cameras as often as possible. Also, we will have a twitter tag of @Kyoto400 and the race will be on LFS Remote at this link: http://www.lfsworld.net/remote/?host=[WR]+Kyoto+400
Race begins at 18:00 GMT. Good luck, and enjoy!
There will not be commentators, but I will try to rotate the cameras as often as possible. Also, we will have a twitter tag of @Kyoto400 and the race will be on LFS Remote at this link: http://www.lfsworld.net/remote/?host=[WR]+Kyoto+400
Race begins at 18:00 GMT. Good luck, and enjoy!
No problem. I'm working on getting up a stream myself, but I'm waiting on something from SimRace.tv so I can bring RRD viewer back up (password for PC2 on TeamViewer is what I need). It won't be fancy, but it will be a window into the event for those who are not able to drive in it.
Yes they may, unless they have timed out too many times, in which case they will be told not to (That number will be about 3)
Unfortunately I don't think there will be a stream. I'm not technical savvy enough to do it in any kind of qualify, and the person who I trust to do it is busy today. If any of the drivers would like to broadcast their race or anything of that sort they are of course welcome to do so.
I'm afraid that spectators will be forced to watch LFS Remote at best.
http://www.lfsworld.net/remote/?host=[WR]+Kyoto+400
True, but with the true race fans gone who is going to bring in people who are in it just for the excitement? The excitement people come and go, but the true fans do not and keep bringing people with them. I contributed at least 9 fans directly over the last few years all of them watched most of the races all of last year.
The thing is, even the excitement fans are not completely in favor of it, but sadly that might change once time goes by and this thing comes to life.
I'm curious what would happen if NASCAR went to a full season champion, added 7 more bonus points to the winner of each race, and cut the schedule back to 30 races in 2015. They said it's still on the table for major changes to the schedule that year. This, and the cup races wouldn't compete with the NFL much if any.
Also, under this new system once you're eliminated you return to your pre-chase points total unless you make the (
) Final Four.Based on the guidelines set fourth for the Kyoto 400 the race will be held under sunny skies with calm winds. 
Sounds like a great day for racing 
Sounds like a great day for racing This is the only thing that could ever get NASCAR to open their eyes probably. I'm rooting for it and aiding it. Might look into a Pocono or Indy trip this year
There will not be a tracker, but if there are time-outs I will have scoring on hand with me at all times during the event. If at any time after timing out you'd like to know what lap you are on just ask, and I will be able to tell (set a whisper target on TS or ask for permission and ask).
I have asked somebody if they would do a stream, but I'm not sure if that is going to go though. I've allowed people to do a stream of other events with much less than favorable results. Hopefully, he will be able to do it, but please understand if he is busy.
The server will be available on LFS remote at this link: http://www.lfsworld.net/remote/?host=[WR]+Kyoto+400
I have asked somebody if they would do a stream, but I'm not sure if that is going to go though. I've allowed people to do a stream of other events with much less than favorable results. Hopefully, he will be able to do it, but please understand if he is busy.
The server will be available on LFS remote at this link: http://www.lfsworld.net/remote/?host=[WR]+Kyoto+400
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I guess I look at it in a different way. I always have had NASCAR to fall back upon if nothing else on Sundays or Saturdays, but I always have enjoyed it for the championship chase more so than the individual race.
Individual races lose integrity with me with the fake debris cautions and cautions for the most innocent of incidents (involving no contact a few times even). Add on top of that a championship that feels fabricated in an even more severe way to my mind, and the whole series has lost almost all of it's value. The only thing going for it is familiarity, and the arenas which continue to shrink on a yearly basis and become more barren.
It's not like NASCAR is the only motor racing series. I would like to understand Formula 1 more, and I'd like to get more familiar with Indy Car. Indy Car is still rather pure (despite push to pass), and I greatly appreciate that. Indy Car has gained at least one set of eye balls over this. Formula 1 will also likely see me tuning in more often despite my grievances with that series.
Individual races lose integrity with me with the fake debris cautions and cautions for the most innocent of incidents (involving no contact a few times even). Add on top of that a championship that feels fabricated in an even more severe way to my mind, and the whole series has lost almost all of it's value. The only thing going for it is familiarity, and the arenas which continue to shrink on a yearly basis and become more barren.
It's not like NASCAR is the only motor racing series. I would like to understand Formula 1 more, and I'd like to get more familiar with Indy Car. Indy Car is still rather pure (despite push to pass), and I greatly appreciate that. Indy Car has gained at least one set of eye balls over this. Formula 1 will also likely see me tuning in more often despite my grievances with that series.
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2014 Kyoto 400 Discussion
The 2014 Kyoto 400 will mark the 3rd year for this event. The race will take the green flag a little after 18:00 GMT on Saturday, February 1st. Discussion of the event may be made here.
There will be another rule change with the damage, and that will be that I will be removing it after another bad experience with it in the duel races. If a car is unable to move at all (on side, top, ect.) they will be forced to retire from the event. Otherwise, drivers will be allowed to continue.
Let's take this event seriously, so that it can be a fun event for everybody involved. Thilo may be streaming the event, but he is busy, and I think we can all understand that
There will be another rule change with the damage, and that will be that I will be removing it after another bad experience with it in the duel races. If a car is unable to move at all (on side, top, ect.) they will be forced to retire from the event. Otherwise, drivers will be allowed to continue.
Let's take this event seriously, so that it can be a fun event for everybody involved. Thilo may be streaming the event, but he is busy, and I think we can all understand that
Guess who will watch only the Daytona races, Spring Martinsville race(already had tickets), Bristol Night Race, last few laps of Talladega races, and the final few laps of the final race?
The same person who hasn't missed a race in 10 years.
The same person who hasn't missed a race in 10 years.
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