and thats definetely ati main problem, especially for older card like mine have trouble rendering at long distance, it's old story if you just knew about it

no need to reduce other detail once z buffer was changed

as i said earlier i have my latest driver from ati, dont remember which version, it's the latest one. although it make no difference in terms of graphics quality, cant see any differrence between 16 or 24 either so no big deal, it's actually LFS patch that give me this headache

ok back then i switched z buffer to 24 again then after sometimes trying to figure out if this thing really kill my fps, i would say yes, the fps has slightly drop to the lowest and it's really not playable at all, so my advice if one have similar system like mine P4 with ati cards i would suggest trying my solution by ticking z buffer from 24 to 16, see if that works. and this has nothing to do related with any spyware, anti virus or even windows update but if one still uncomfort without them, it's really not my concern, i dont need them anyway even if i have it i wouldnt want it installed on my pc

Quote from dropin_biking :

You guys are WAYYYYYY too constricted to what you hear. Let me explain...
I've had XP Home for 3 years, with NO anti-virus, NO anti-spyware, and NO firewall. And my PC has not gaven up, or slowwed down, or got full of viruses. I don't get why people having unprotected PC's is such a big deal.
~Bryan~

agree, there bunch of cowards... Just Kidding.. nonono dont shoot me

Quote from Davo :

Worrying about spyware, spam or viruses isn't noob. Leaving your pc unprotected is noob and stupid.

Opera doesn't stop everything, I use Opera and my AV (NOD32) has detected a few trojans that Opera let through and stopped them.

Guess there's no convincing you, because you can't even tell if your pc is sick or not if you don't have any detecting software installed. I bet you'd find a few bugs if you installed a good AV.

since when opera did manage to block known virus like trojan
as far as i know opera browser can only usefull to block light to medium spyware/adware but if you're going to some illegal sites like www.cracks.com they ussually attacking your pc before you open their web, my advice just stay away from that sites then you'll be fine

Quote from Rtsbasic :

You don't trust them? Sounds more like your PC won't pass the genuine licence test for updates

Setting up AVG (anti virus), and Zone Alarm (free edition) will increase the security of your computer considerably. Having a copy of Ad-Aware around and doing a weekly scan will also help. I've not had a virus on my system in years but it doesn't hurt to keep a scanner in the background. More useful than keeping a download manager and Winzip systray in the background, thats for sure.

there always some alternative way to download the updates for you windows so this is kind a odd thing you know

Quote from Unomi :

Do a Virus scan and say that...

Anti Virus programs are there to HELP your PC, I'm running Windows XP Pro SP2 (Massive Improvement on Unpatched, a lot less bugs and stuff) with NOD 32 Anti Virus, does me well.

If you don't run any antivirus programs, your an idiot...

Your PC is a lot safer behind an Anti Virus program and some Anti Spyware/Adware/Malware programs like Spybot Search and Destroy, and Ad Aware

Just don't get McAfee.

I would SERIOUSLY recommend getting AntiVirus, there are so many things out there on the internet that can really mess your PC up.

long time ago when i was really noob i always worry about spyware, adware, incoming attack or someone could take over my pc, thats bullshit, i never thrust microsoft alert anymore since i use opera, im sure opera will eliminate those spyware/adware before they can even enter my pc, oh and im a fan of P2P client too like torrentspy, donwloading some games, music and adult movies so far i get no problem whatsoever. and this is what i've been done so far for the last almost 1 year now
sometime trojan also can be usefull, you know the rfactor mod like zonda has trojan in it, if i delete them my system start to choke up, i think its safe not to install antivirus so no antivirus can tell me which application has trojan or not

woah after turning down z buffer from 24 to 16 problem seems to dissapear, average fps around 80-100. amazing what i have done

i still dont trust any antivirus, firewall, windows update installed on my PC, my winxp seems running well without them but may cause problem if im installing them

my system spec:
P4 2.8 ghz
radeon 9800pro 256
2 gig of ram
win xp pro unpatched

with lfs P & early U, i normally get 80-100 fps, but not after i patch to U20 & now the newer patch V my fps drop significantly to average around 10 to 20. im not sure what cause this, i had already read similar thread problem relating to fps problem like turning off VS, fps limiter, minimum sleep time etc but with no luck. im very very dissapointed, i play LFS since it came out without any singel problem like this, everything is smooth as silk, just now i cant think of anymore solution for my self. i had try reinstalling my windows many times, defrag here and there, oh and i dont use software firewall and antivirus or any other application running on the background except for my ati control panel, internet download manager, steam, and winzip were running on the background, thats it. oh and my ati driver, processor driver, are all up to date to the latest.

if anyone can help me with this problem i had, i'll consider to buy LFS S2 right after my problem solve

thx man it works great

Quote from sil3ntwar :

I often race with mouse + pedals. Sometimes i really cant be bothered putting the wheel on the desk. It takes less than 2 seconds to switch between wheel and mouse in LFS. The only real downside to using a mouse to steer is correcting slides can be a real pain in the ass.

what pedals do you use anyway? can you help me how to combine my momo with mouse?

i find by using mouse + keyboard my laptimes was better than using steering wheel, also i can play as long as i want without feeling dead tired after using steering wheel for 1 hour

Last edited by DevilDriver, Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:26.

how to get around this to work?
i use momo pedals

no its not possible to assign mouse as a steer to replace that steering wheel, logitech profiler doesnt recognize any 3rd party devices

anyone ever try to use mouse + pedals to work together (without steering wheel)? is that possible?

DevilDriver - driving through the darkness
genre black metal

Quote from Lible :

What actually is bad with your current suspension? You want to go racing or ricing?

both, for racing on circuit and daily use actually

changing gearbox? i think no, the car still new plus im short of money still ask to my dad if i want to change anything and what happend if i tell him i want to change the gearbox he would be mad off course

i guess i was playing to much LFS until i realize there were no connection between real life car and gaming with LFS

ok last question maybe is it possible to adjust suspension stiffness, damping, anti roll bar, ride height reduction manually by my own hand because im planning to buy sport suspension, damper set and spring set for future upgrade (all of them are adjustable)
if possible how to measure stiffness, damping etc, what kind of tools to measure several adjustment for this kit?

anyone have any info how to change real gear ratio for real car?
i know its not that easy to setup that gear as we have seen it in LFS, im just blind when it comes into real thing like this, maybe someone know about it a little can give me usefull advice
i hope this is the right forum to discuss this, if not then mod can delete this
anyway the spec sheet for my current car final drive ratio is:
1st 3.545
2nd 1.904
3rd 1.310
4th 0.969
5th 0.769
final gear ratio 4.105
the car was SUZUKI SWIFT, the current gear ratio was design to run on city street so its very basic, i wish i could change them with my own hand so i can get a good performance without bringing my car to tuning shop or hand over my car to mechanic, maybe someone know or have a good guide with picture for any car any kind of car, different car actually doesnt matter as long as i can see where the gear ratio is located, it shouldn't be much problem i think, step by step guide also recommend

how come the huge number of demo players fills alot more than S2 players, over 80% of them still in the demo, i never have seen any demo games that look like this in my whole life, i have a doubt there will be not enough players once i got S2

not because i want to drive that car in S2, anyway the picture looks cool with wheel chroom paint on it. im thinking in the future there will be no other sim as good compare to LFS. although Driver Republic has good FFB similar to LFS and RBR, their status is still unknown yet. there also GTR2 coming up but i dont like their FFB so its not on my list. and last maybe a superbike riding challenge would blow everything out of the water

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i think im gonna buy S2 too, i've been playing with the demo for over 4 years in and out, driving with XFG is incredible experience, never get boring driving XFG, if only S2 licensed player can play XFG in blackwood while the demo were not allow, i'll be sure to buy S2 without thinking twice

Quote from wheel4hummer :

I want a quick massage from one of the female members of the LFS community!

lol you right, i was typing it wrong

hi thanks for quick reply

is it possible to put them in wheel button?

anyone can tell me how to change/write quick massage that come out from F1, F2 etc like good race, good pass etc, which folder is it?