Yeah race numbers...

I was even doing some acrobatics, deleting our app and submitting it later to get the number I wanted for my team but didn't work, we are higher than expected.

If it is possible to agree between teams for number swap, I might ask target number team to swap, only if it is OK with admins...

But it really doesn't mean too much

Thnx!

Looking forward to racing, this time from the start of C'Ship!

Team Name: AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team
Car Model: TBA
Team Manager: Milan Markov [Dragonmen] SRB (AMT|MetalHead)
Team Vice-Manager: Saša Stojanović [s@leSs] SRB
Drivers:
M.Markov [Dragonmen] SRB
M.Zarić [DJeranDOS] SRB
S.Stojanović [s@leSs] SRB
M.Radonjić [sermilan] SRB
N.Živković [NeSHaZ] SRB
M.Denić [Miki D] SRB
V.Pavlović [WlayCo] SRB
M.Vukićević [Vule] SRB
M.Nestorović [MilosNE] SRB
M.Filipović [Figuar] SRB
M.Vojinović [misa555] SRB
L.Gluščević [Ladinho] SRB
D.Nikolin [RRT RABBIT] SRB
N.Zečević [niikoolaa] SRB

Last edited by Dragonmen, Fri 16 Jan 2009, 20:23.

Wow really professional! I like it!

Speed of commentary is not that fast, it is what he had to do in limited time frame.

Maybe little less errors and more onboards of fastest laps...

Keep doing the great job!

Quote from AppiePils :

Incident #1: #38 Sonicrealism spins off in T4
This incident happened at timecode 1:24:25. The #38 car places the left rear wheel onto the grass on the approach to turn 4. Before the car comes to a halt in the gravel the driver has already found reverse gear and is driving back towards the track. Realizing there are cars coming he reverses until his rear tyres are safely on the grass and stops the car on the grass (i.e. he is aware at this point not to re-enter the track). Two cars go past (#34 and #17). Immediately #38 then tries to re-enter the track, however car #15 is now approaching. #38 misjudges the distance to the car behind when he finally does decide to back onto the track, and complicates things by stopping too early, on the racing line. The result is that #01 and #40 both have to go off track in order to prevent a major accident.
Also in this event #40 receives an official warning for not obeying the Yellow flag clearly enough as they overtook #01 with contact.

Final verdict
#38 - 2 Laps deducted from race total for unsafe track reentry. Although #38 waited to return to the track, #38 returned to the very middle of the racing line and stopped, and in doing so endangered the upcoming traffic.
#40 - warning for not respecting yellow flags, suspended 1 lap penalty to be applied if they ignore the yellow flag in another similar incident

Just to confirm that we are aware of this issued warning and will try to act better if there is similar situation in future.
I will inform my teammates
Luckily, there were no major contact between GT1 and our car.

@Niki> all clear now, no problem.
I see you did everything you could after you realized we are so close, that is much appreciated. Could have been so much worse

I just wanted to be sure we all understand each other on this subject.
Anyway, it is good to bring this subject once in a while, hopefully not because of some big accidents but by this lucky escapes [well not so lucky for Niki ].

Apologies accepted ofcourse, we don't have hard feelings over this, and also AMT and you, Niki, know each other very well, so it is all good

This is not official protest, just pointing out for future similar situations

Time:
around ~15 min till the end of race
3min55sec in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r5rX58UjfI
[but it is better to look at mpr from #40 and #16 view]

Cars:
#40 AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team
#16 Team Inferno GT1
all the others Core GT1 #11 and GT2 #30 and SERT #09...

Description:
Basically it was a divebomb buy #16 on #40 that could have been disaster for both teams.

Luckily we did not have any major loss there, and even if we did there is no real point in submitting protest on GT1 car to get punishment [remember SO race?]. Should be enough if we bring your [competitors in whole] attention to it, and you think about it for a while, and remember it.

I understand that #16 had a close fight with #09, but also we had one in GT2 between #30 and #40 for even higher position in GT2 ranking than you had in GT1, and a little more respect wouldn't hurt you guys.

It was too optimistic move by Niki that led to contact between our two cars and it could have cost us position that we fought very hard for. Think if there was just a little bit lag issue there what would happen?

In the end it cost you, you've lost your position... should not have to be that way.

We thought that after incident packed SO race there would not be this kind of attempts but seems we were wrong about it. [well I was wrong]

By stating this, we don't ask for a more respect from Inferno to AMT, but from all GT1 class on every GT2 car. Also this respect should be from GT2 to GT1 as well and we certainly try to be respectful in being lapped.

As far as we are concerned, I always tend to inform my teammates on incoming GT1 car, or lapping GT2 if there is any.
You can always find me on IRC regarding lapping and it will be taken special care if needed.

BR,
Milan

C ya @ Aston

For the ones who missed it here is one of the highlights of the race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r5rX58UjfI

great commentary, great driving... if there were audience on stands they would go nuts over this!

Thanx to Mr. Villeneuve and CoRe for a great fight!
Congrats to my teammate Sasha for this pass, excellent one, and to the rest of my team aswell...

enjoy!

Quote from Fastwalker :

link to replay of broadcast of the last part of the race:
ftp://91.121.113.149/2008.11.29-2-multiBC-Live-Saving.wmv

any idea where the first part is?

well done btw

oh yeah! that is what I've been looking for!

Please if possible provide other parts...

when you say last part, what time frame is it?

BTW great commentary! excellent part with interviews and thanx for interviewing me, it was so much fun
I would not mind doing it again, hopefully when we are up there running for a podium where we should have been in this race if there were no discos...

One little mistake... Vojanovic... should be Vojinovic.

#40 AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team
GT2 FZR

RRT RABBIT, Darko Nikolin, Serbia
s@leSs, Sasa Stojanovic, Serbia
misa555, Milos Vojinovic, Serbia
ladinho, Lado Gluscevic, Serbia

Results are strange considering unofficial results and tracker data after the race

I will look into it when I come home...

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

I think he got it... he was just joking about the implied oral sex in your post.

that never crossed my mind!



Sick!

Quote from anttt69 :

I know there's a lota love in MOE but thats just ridiculous

You don't get it...

My post was about being above the insults, about acting like a true sportsman...

If you, and others can't do it, well it is your problem really, not mine...

Just take all I said like a friendly advice... In my book, it just ain't nice acting like that. It's like kick-him-when-he's-down... lame...

my 2 cents...

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

Well, actually i think everyone is pretty pissed tbh, he suddenly found lots of speed and everyone thought he was the dogs, turns out hes not, actually it some ways its funny, he called me a "nab" now i call him the "cheating nab".

Exactly my point... don't come down on that level.

Nevermind, this is not my battle, I'll just stay out of it... I just feel forum section for elite league, like MoE is, is not place to do that...

You might not like what he did but be a sportsman about it... don't go down on him now, be above it.
I don't see a point in it... naming names etc...

I'm not stepping into his defense, don't get me wrong.

Just take it easy...

Just to express some feelings about this:

Quote :

Protest against #40 ( AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team) by #16 (Team Inferno)
• Lap 136 for us
• #40 and #16
• Lap 136 / Sector 1
• car #16 tried to lap car #40 on the outside because he stayed slowly on the inside. Car #40 hit car #16 while braking causing suspension damage on both side

Quote :

The driver of the #40 displays a distinct lack of situational awareness here, pulling to the left in the braking zone and ignoring that the #16, who is making a safe and clean pass, is next to him. #16 gets pushed into the wall and receives significant suspension damage.

The #40 receives a +30s (DT) penalty for unsafe driving.

Of course it was not our intention to do that and we feel that there is something to be understood here...
#16 was about to lap us. My teammate expected it to be in T2, even gave room there because it was by far more safe place to lap a car...
#40 did not do it in T2, had a slower exit but stayed on that side which would become outer side for next corner... #40 was in position not visible in mirrors at the moment and situation mixed up when another GT1 showed on our left side, even looked like it would dive in. Natural reaction and thinking at the moment was that it is #40 gone to the other side.
My teammate just wanted to try to take a normal line into the corner, as GT2 should do.

Basically:
T3 is really not a safe place to lap a car, and even more it is not the place where 3 cars can go into it as it happened, we were in the middle of it all, trying to follow our line, expecting only one car on our side to watch out...
GT1 cars are very pushy sometimes...
We had our own incidents with GT1 cars where we could have a protest but, as a team manager and person who is responsible for it, I don't really see a point in it because we don't race GT1 class, and there is nothing to be gained or lost... A friendly chat/note is all that is needed...

By this penalty we have lost one place that we fought hard for! And Inferno gain nothing at all...
Not to say how unhappy we are with it...

We will not allow to be pushed, and if that should be the game we will consider changing our common sense opinion and start protesting against GT1 cars that are too pushy...

See you on WE where will be more room to lap...

Quote from PhilS13 :

You are right...
...
Looking forward to race with you at Westhill

All clear, I like when I can talk reasonably with someone.
I again assure you that my teammate would give you enough room whenever you [and whoever] deserve that room, and we will not do any stupid things that can damage any of the cars... that should clear your main point
I know mistakes can occur but we will not ever, by clear intention, do stupid blocking and/or pushing. You can feel safe in our close proximity

Race you @ WestHill!

Quote from Dragonmen :

Just saw this post, but we had discussion about it during race...
All clear

Just saw MPR of this...

I would be very surprised if you did protest on this because this was 100% fault by Mr.Villeneuve

My teammate never showed any intention that he wants to close you to the wall. All time on the back straight he was holding his steering wheel going straight and by that line you both would have very safe passage by the wall. Never he corrected his line to the left in intention to block you or to get a line that will leave you no room between our car and wall, even if you did not have sufficient overlap and even if he could have done it and really not feel so much blame if you dont back off.

I do, however, agree with you, that this situations are avoidable, and we will do our best not to get into it again, and also we expect a little more respect from other side (not you or CoRe, I'm talking generally now). But this is racing, those things happen.

We did not lost great amount of time on this, luckily, but you did, and also had damage. We are sorry for this, but as I said this was avoidable on your side, you did not need to push us almost into a spin, because, I assure you, you would have had enough room there and maybe on next turn you would even come up in front.

Conclusion: extra caution on both sides next time? and dont worry we race clean and we have no intention to close door on attempt of clean pass, so dont be afraid any of my mates will not give you enough room.

Racing incidents happen, and people make mistakes on both sides, but we aim to race clean...


Best regards,
Milan

Quote from PhilS13 :

Quick note to #40 AMT Team on lap 97

This is NOT a protest. Just a reminder to be more careful next time. The wall was coming up quick and leaving extra room would've been appreciated.

Small incident that cost us a lot of time. Let's make that not happen again

Just saw this post, but we had discussion about it during race...
All clear

Quote from Commander :

Protest against #40 ( AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team) by #16 (Team Inferno)
• Lap 136 for us
• #40 and #16
• Lap 136 / Sector 1
• car #16 tried to lap car #40 on the outside because he stayed slowly on the inside. Car #40 hit car #16 while braking causing suspension damage on both side

No replay available, driver is still driving and will do to the end.

I've missed this post...
I dont have a report from my teammate at this moment to give our point of view... We will look into it too...
Sorry for your damage, I'm sure we had it too.

Quote from amp88 :

However, in accordance with the rules the cars which were put out of position on the warmup lap would NOT have been allowed to regain their position anyway.

I just wanted to underline this again... I'll have to look at mpr but on remote there was a mess...

I know I was yelling to my driver something along the line "pass if you see someone crashed, dont stop, and dont let them pass you back"

Quote from amp88 :

Can you post a replay of the incident please? Details are included in the first post.

Not at this moment will do as soon as I get it...

time mark 2h:09min after T4

#33 trying to unlap, spins #40.

Last edited by Dragonmen, Sat 1 Nov 2008, 14:01.

exactly 1h mark, T2

#33 crashed #40 into the wall, lost the back end of his car while driving parallel and sent us into the wall...
We thing that it was avoidable move, our driver was slower at the moment and would let go, no need for that kind of driving...

EDIT: we dont have mpr, driver did not save it... but maybe some other team can upload first stint, thanx in advance!

Last edited by Dragonmen, Sat 1 Nov 2008, 14:01. Reason : wrong number of turn, T2 not T1