Quote from Scott Mckenzie :

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Well I'm glad we can all agree on that.

Yep, what SilverArrows said.

It all makes sense now.

Fantastic news.

Really looking forward to the 2010 season.

Can't wait for the whole McLaren vs Mercedes thing. :cool:

Jackie Stewart gives his views on Jenson's move to McLaren:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/8366459.stm

Which leaves Kimi out in the cold next season.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/8363892.stm

Quote from 5haz :

Holy! Toyota are pulling out of F1??

"The team failed to win any of the 139 races it entered after making its F1 debut in 2002 ..."

:jawdrop:
I never realised that!

SOURCE:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/8341602.stm

Thanks, guys!

Really looking forward to the tyre physics update.

... a brief article on Lotus here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/8084475.stm

I thought that the whole idea of having a 'Formula' in the first place, was to ensure that everyone competes on an equal basis (and of course, more latterly for safety reasons too).

The idea of putting a cap on spending makes sense in that regard, but why make it optional? OK, those that stay within budget supposedly get more design freedom, but it still creates inequality.

Surely it needs to be mandatory, leaving the actual amount as the only point for discussion?

Quote from DevilDare :

For Gods sake.... Couldnt the BBC make teh screen any smaller?

Aha!

Press this wee button here ...



... and SHAZAM!!

Just up on the BBC F1 Website:

"On the 15th anniversary of Ayrton Senna's death, watch the 1995 BBC documentary about the life and tragic death of one of Formula 1's greatest ever drivers."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/default.stm

Don't miss it.

To quote an old footballing adage:

"That's a yellow card for McLaren. They'll have to be careful now."

Fortunately for McLaren, it looks like the FIA have done what they think is best for the championship this season by keeping them in the mix.

Arguably, the more contenders there are for the title, the more potential there is for an entertaining season.

Quote from J@tko :

Sorry if I missed it, but have the Beeb sacked Jordan?

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

Nope, he couldn't make it this weekend. But I have to say that Gascoyne is a whole lot better than Jordan!

+1

Hopefully Eddie will have to take more time off.

Quote from J.B. :

The only question left is who's idea it was, Hamilton's or Ryan's. Doubt we'll ever find out though.

Well, given that David Ryan is (was) Sporting Director, I can't see Hamilton calling the shots in meeting like that.

More news.

Dave Ryan is suspended:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/7980593.stm

Hamilton is not to blame:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/7978935.stm

Wouldn't surprise me if Hamilton was under 'team orders' when he went into the meeting with Dave Ryan. Why risk the reputation of your Current World Champion driver in this way? Daft.

Last edited by dungbeetle, Fri 3 Apr 2009, 08:33.

Quote from amp88 :

The cheating part is because they (Hamilton and Dave Ryan) both lied to the stewards, saying they hadn't let Trulli back through.

Oh dear.

If that's the case, then I must concede that they were foolish.

The FIA certainly don't need any help when it comes to penalising McLaren. They generally manage quite well by themselves.

Last edited by dungbeetle, Fri 3 Apr 2009, 07:59. Reason : Threads merged

Listening to the audio provided under amp88's link, it sounds like Hamilton is simply trying to establish whether or not he should be letting Trulli through.

Trulli drops it in front of him, and Hamilton goes past. He then asks over the radio if he needs to let Trulli back through because he assumes that when Trulli lost his place, they were under safety car rules. The team then say hang on, we're asking Charlie (who no doubt is frantically thumbing his way through the rule book for the answer). Given the events that took place last season, I can understand Hamilton's concerns over getting this right.

Presumably the key question at this point was, do we have to give the place back to someone who 'drops' it under the safety car?

So the team play it safe and let Trulli through.

The race ends.

OK. Here's the confusing bit.

After the race it's discovered that Hamilton did not in fact have to give the place back. (I don't know why - maybe because Trulli dropped it or maybe because at that time they were not yet actually under the safety car rules. Whatever. Perhaps someone can tell me.).

It turns out that Trulli got his place back in error, and that the correct result should have been Hamilton 3rd and Trulli 4th, so McLaren ask for the place back.

Yes, McLaren made a bad call at the time, and shouldn't have let Trulli through, but if you listen to the recording you can clearly hear the confusion present at the time.

But is this actually 'cheating'?

Well. I must admit that these responses are pretty much what I'd expected, given the circumstances.

Fair enough.

But I am of the opinion that the punishment for this 'crime' would most likely have been a slap on the wrist, (i.e. a driver/team fine) and a demotion back to fourth place, had this not been a Hamilton+McLaren incident.

I'm afraid history has made me a little bit cynical in these situations.

... to the depths that the FIA will sink, in order to rob Hamilton and McLaren of their points:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/7978186.stm

Quote from tinvek :

watching the interactive now, how long before coulthard punches jordans lights out ?

That could take a while.

He'll have to wait until Eddie gets his nose out of Michael Schumacher's ar$e first.

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

All Toki was saying is that Hamilton did get fairly lucky. This is true.

Quote from Timdpr :

... [Hamilton] was certainly lucky to get 3rd, and didn't really deserve it

"The harder you practice, the luckier you get"
Gary Player

Hey, are you guys aware of this:

http://www.virtualrc.com/default.aspx

Funnily enough, it was years ago over on the forums at VRC Racing that I first found out about LFS!

Quote from trebor901 :

Youtube to stop UK watching official music vids

... but you know what?

I bet I STILL get bloody Rick-Rolled! :mad:

Quote from BlueFlame :

The term 'Classy' Only applies to women, a man can't be 'classy' even sarcastically or it sounds like you're a bit ginger beer...

You should walk on your hands ...