Quote from beefyman666 :

Press F10 after taking a nasty landing, you will see the damage and notice the car handles like a wet sponge.

I said parts cannot break, at the moment they bend, which is not severe enough a penalty for driving on some Irish roads, this was my joke.

If you mean like an Irish road, I don't think the damage modeling alows suspension parts to break yet, so that would defeat the purpose

I think cross gearing could have something to do with the gear shift pattern rather than the ratio.

I think most people know that dynos are not really accurate, but they are still a good way, for the people who care about these things, to have a comparison of their cars against other cars that use the same dyno and at least a rough comparison against cars from around the world. I personally think they are most useful for tuning.

Quote from squidhead :

I stand PWNED and yes, I'd love to see a 170+ bph 1.6 civic

Well, Ireland is flooded with japanese imports, because insurance and tax is ridiculously exspensive here, they're the best bang for buck cars you can get and prove very reliable too, so we know of nearly every japanese performance car there is because of this.
The '89-91 civic/crx came with a 157bhp 1.6 and '92-95 civic/crx came with 170bhp 1.6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine

Well he was the cheapest guy around at the time and I only wanted to make sure that the car was not pinging on 95 octane, as it is a japanese import meant to run on 100 octane. His gear did not look the newest to put it nicely, but the car is still going strong after a year and a half.
I'll be putting the car on a good dyno sometime in the near future and I will see how acurate it is.
I'm not really interested in the bhp or lb/ft rating myself any way, omly that the car does what I need it to do.

Last edited by eight6er, Thu 10 Jan 2008, 20:41.

Quote from eight6er :

I cannot get this to work, all I get is "invalid command line" message when I try to open it. Can someone help me please?

I'm sure someone on here can easily answer this question. please?

Quote from squidhead :

no you didn't
1.5 L 92 hp I4
1.8 L 113 hp I4

plus I recently sold a 1.6 '95 V-tec Civic (stock) which had a D16Z6 Vtec with 125 bhp...
Honda went OVER 170 bhp starting with the 96 si-r

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIVEC

yes I did, look a little harder. Do you want me to find the toyota, honda versions for you too? You would think owning a honda your self you would know these things.

Also 250lb/ft was on the dyno read out so dont have a baby, I'm sure you're smart enough to work it out lads.

I cannot get this to work, all I get is "invalid command line" message when I try to open it. Can someone help me please?

Quote from BlueFlame :

Read my post again, I did not say Drift cars Existed in the game it seems like you thought I did.(even though, that IS what I actually think)

You can't see the reason that probably demo racers (who are mostly drifters anyway as racing is few and far between on the demo, at least good racing, in the older patches with the XRT ) are just gonna vote yes because it suits THEM, they don't even own the game! There are more Race servers on LFS than drift servers, so when you are saying the poll doesn't lie, obviously it does, if it was 50/50 in reality for LFS, there would be just as many drift servers as Race servers... but that's just it, there isn't. cos the reality is its 70%against drifting 30% for it. The number of servers don't lie, it may even be less than that!

So you're saying if you do racing, you must be against drifting? There are plenty of racers who do drifting and vice versa. The number of car and track possiblities for racing far exceeds the amount for drifting, so your point about the servers is invalid. People who like drifting don't do it to offend you they do it because they enjoy it.

Quote from BlueFlame :

What do you say about the people that would just vote "yes" regardless of the type of car being added to the game? Cos they DO exist...

I do not see why someone would do that to be honest, it's only a poll, it's not like the devs them selves are asking if we want a drift car.
Anyway its not like they have to design a whole new car, all they have to do is make a few simple adjustments to the xrt, then give it a different name so it won't be used for racing, that should keep everyone happy.

Last edited by eight6er, Wed 9 Jan 2008, 00:40.

I have a racing clutch in my car and when I clutch kick with keeping the throttle floored it does not slip. In fact on one oval track I have to clutch kick at least 5 times a lap in 3rd gear at roughly 75mph as my car bearly has enough power to keep drifting. I will do 3 laps about 20 seconds each at a time so thats at least 15 clutch kicks in 1 min with no slipping. Unfortunately I have not tried the patch y properly yet as I dont have access to my wheel. But if someone wants to try it out, I think what I said above would be a good test.

Quote from BlueFlame :

I was getting a bit edgy about the post count, but thinking about it, the only reason it is 50/50 is because the people voting yes mostly just want something new, they don't care what it is. The 50% that are voting no, are ACTUALLY voting no.

The people who vote no are the people who do not want a drift car in lfs. The people who vote yes are the people that do. The people who don't vote probably couldn't care less if there is or not.
I hope this clears things up.

Ya the tax for a 325i is over 1000 euros a year here in Ireland! Early sports Nissans are not too bad looking, when you own one it grows on you. With a few exceptions, I dont like the look of any new cars myself. I never buy cars based on looks anyway, I only buy cars that have what ever qualities I'm looking for at the time.

Nope, 1991 nissan 180sx and still on its original engine! All I ever had to do was change the oil and put petrol in it. I don't buy german cars anymore, mainly because I've had bad experiences with BMW.

Quote from anasmak11 :

thank you tristancliffe for such great messages..
You are totaly correct in all your points.. but look at another side..

Nowadays, normal sedans (Lexus, Mercedes, BMWs...) are doing 0-100 km/h in around 5 to 6 seconds...
Back in the time your talking about, that was Ferrari performance...

So, imagine a place with cars this powerful with No traction control and computers?? (Chaos). not everyone can drive like you and me,...

If you know how to drive, you have the koenigsegg, zonda, porsche GT... expensive, but there are cars for all markets...

so gimmicks and computers in cars are sometimes good

(not for LFS ofcourse)


take care

I own a 1991 nissan 2L turbo it puts 250hp 250lb/ft to the rear wheels and does 0-100km/h less than 6 seconds. My sister drives my car with no problems and it has no electronic aids.
I'm not saying your point is completely wrong or anything but, I drive many new cars in my job every day and have driven 1.4 fwd hatchbacks with traction control, I think this is laughable.

@ squidhead
I used own a '92 hatchback mitsubishi mirage 1.6, it had 172hp from the factory. Honda, toyota and nissan also had similar models back then.

Quote from Ian.H :

A friend of mine part-exed his part-ex for the very reason that computers in cars == far less fun. He originally had an E36 (uGH!) M3 and swapped it in for a Skyline. While the skyline was quick as .... in a straight line, it wasn't fun to drive.. after 3 days, he was back in his M3.

I had the same problem. I had one of those skylines, the Gts-t and it was great fun, then a friend of mine bought the GTR model with computer controlled 4wd. The GTR was really fast but not as much fun as my Gts-t. I like your self do bits to my own and friends cars, so I found that if you took the fuse for the 4wd out, it made the car rwd and way more fun to drive! So I put a switch on the fuse and he had the best of both worlds.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Exactly!

In real life we are meant (note: meant) to be concerned with fuel efficiency, carbon footprints, recycling and long vehicle lives. Modern design/manufacturering techniques and styles mean we have heavy cars, requiring larger engines, bigger brakes, more complex electronics so that your average driver doesn't kill himself having twice the power he really needed. Then they stick on bigger, wider tyres that give more 'grip', but make the handling worse (often, but not always), driving the costs up needlessly, killing the driving pleasure. Because of the complexity, you can't do much work on them yourselves, especially when it comes to the electronics (which control everything these days), so you HAVE to get it serviced at a dealer (which generally means WORSE quality for a HIGHER price, at silly extended mileages), resulting in cars that are not economic to maintain/run after about 8 years (if that), rather than 20 or more years older cars can easily manage...

It's called progress, but what it really amounts to is car manufacturers desperately vying for your money by adding silly gimmicks, and charging you low list prices (but making up for it by high servicing costs, high parts costs, and the need to buy more new cars because the old ones don't last as long).

Do Lambo's, Porsches, F1 cars etc need bigger tyres? Yes, they have more power and more grip (high performance). Does your Clio (a hatchback designed for going to Tescos, regardless of which 'version' you have) need 265 tyres? Nope. You'd be just as 'quick', and more economical with 190s!!! It's a ploy that stupid people have fallen for hook, line and sinker; and as stupid people MASSIVELY outnumber sensible people, they dictate the market. Hence modern cars are designed for stupid people, with stupid gimmicks and so on and so forth.

I'll stop ranting now. I can't think of an interesting modern car without getting in to silly money or it being useless for daily transport.

I could'nt have said it better myself. Mainly because I'm so slow at typing it would take me all day to write it! It's frustrating thinking of all the new technology they have for making cars stiffer and lighter is wasted on making cars bigger and full of useless gimmicks.

Quote from ussbeethoven :

8000rpm in second gear. Don't get me wrong, revving till the end of gauge was unrealistic to me too and I really appreciate the changes made witch X30+ but limiting RAC at the redline is not helpful to fight turbo lag.

I would not agree that it is unrealistic to rev an engine to the end of the gauge. I used my last car for the road and track, it had a 7,500rpm redline and on one track it was faster to leave the car in second gear and leave it rev to 8,500rpm rather than change gear.

Also it,s a small track and the only place where I would use 3rd was the start finish straight, so the engine would spend a fair amount of time in the very high revs and I never had any damage done to the engine after visiting this track 7 times in one and a half years plus 6 other outings at other tracks and road driving.

For the people that do not know, drift cars have spoilers and wide high grip tyres so they can drift at HIGHER SPEED than a car without. If you want to be competitive at the high level you need the most grip you can still drift with, this is why they sometimes have a lot of power to keep the wheels spinning.

I do not have time to read through all this so sorry if this is suggested already.
I would love to see a racing version of the XRG with something like 180bhp and 200nm n/a and weighing around 900kg. I think it would make some fun racing.
Also a racing/rally version of the RB4 with around 300bhp and 600nm 1200 kg. I think the rb4 is too light for standard a 4wd car, it should weigh between 1300kg-1400kg.

I think the power figures for the road cars is realistic considering they represent '90s cars, but even though the power figures may be realistic the power delivery of the turbo cars is wrong. The way the turbos spools is more like a car with a huge turbo. I own a '90's 2.0l turbo which is almost identical to the xrt, it has the same power and torque at the same boost pressure but if I floor the throttle at 3,500rpm it hits full boost almost as fast as the throttle hits the floor and stays there until 6,500rpm and in higher gears it can hit full boost as low as 2,900 rpm. Try this on the xrt and you will see what I mean. Oh and the limiter is at nearly 8,000 rpm on my car incedently.
I personally would hate if they made lfs cars like modern cars because modern cars are bigger, heavier and then they put bigger and sometimes more powerful engines in them to make up for this, which imo is a step backwards.

Thank you AndroidXP that has completely fixed my problem. WOW what a difference it is axcactly like real life!

After a bit of practice hotlapping at the weekend I have caught up with my joypad times and actually beat it buy .3 of a second so I'm 1.3 seconds off the WR.

But for drifting I have improved a little, only I cannot drift anywhere near as good as I could with the joypad. It gets really frustrating because I think I have the hang of it but it does not seem to work like real life, only when I watch a replay I can see how it went wrong.

I have tried to download a couple of dds files for xrt tail lights but they're not working. I overwrote the old xrt_interior1 dds file, is this the right thing to do? Do I need a program to make them work?