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Quote from UncleBenny :

Would be better if Pheonix went back there since technically that's Winnepeg's old franchise, Bettman seems dead set on not letting the Coyotes die though.

It would be, but Atlanta is already gone. They have insane potential, but when you draw ~7k viewers / game and make 20mill losses / year, you know you wont last long. Yotes are owned by the league so its special for them, they have a very potential team aswell - been in the playoffs like twice in row. However if they lose Bryzgalov who will hit free agency this summer, no playoffs for them anymore. And that might snowball even further.

Bad.

Atlanta already lost their NHL team once and cant do anything with the Trashers (except lose their star players), Winnipeg is a much better choice for a team since it its a great hockey market, they need to get the Jets back. Oh and Bettman sucks.

Few millions playing it, i started on 2009. Too many baddies playing it nowadays so im just waiting for season 2 to start and ranked elo getting hard-re-set.

Oh and for guides i recommend leaguecraft, simple layout > complicated one. Its a good source for news and custom skins too.

There isnt multiplayer?

Quote from Juzaa :

I agree on most that you say, but still differ about the +/- because in a long run you get good games and bad games so much they balance each others out and in the end it's just about how well you played. You can't say that player is good just because of his +/- value but if his value stays at the top long you can see that he's playing for the team and does not make many mistakes that lead to opponent scoring goals.
As a goalie (in floorball though, not hockey haven't played hockey very much lately) I value the players who almost never do mistakes as much as the goal scorers because you know that without them you'd have much more work to do because of so many bad passes or bad calls on which opponent to guard or where to move to block passes or shots.

I also have some trouble understanding the definition of your superstar because awards are mostly given by canadians and you need the whole team to be good in order to get them. Say that Crosby had ended up in Edmonton or Florida. He couldn't have lifted them up to battle for Stanley Cup no matter how well he played. Thus he would not be a superstar by your standards.

I look it a bit differently. I feel that superstar status means that if a team loses it's superstar they lose much more games than they did when that one player was on the ice making the difference. If your team can survive without you you're not a superstar. If they can't survive long without you you're a superstar. That makes Mikko Koivu a clear superstar in my standards because he's the sole leader of his team and had he not been injured in the season I dare say that Minnesota would've made it to playoffs. Kiprusoff has had a rough season this year alright but he's still the player who either wins or loses the game. With average goalie Calgary would not only lose more games than now but could not even dream of real success. With Kiprusoff there's always a chance to win. Rask...well let's say he's not quite ready for the superstar mantle but he'll get there in a few years. He has played well this season when he's been given the chance and once he gains more experience he'll grow to be much better than Thomas ever was. He's still young for a goalie just give him some time.

Pittsburgh was in absolutely same kind of situation the lowest teams are right now (Edmonton, Florida, Colorado) and he pretty much singlehandedly (debatable) got them from a 2nd rate promotion to a team fighting for a playoff spot. Anyway, he was the core for their current success.

+/- might be true, but it will never balance out completely. You will still have that +5/-5% (roughly) of random events. However, Lydman played 78 games during this season and got only 25 points. That could mean hes just the guy who happens to be on the ice when the goal is scored on opponent and on the bench when Ducks get scored on. He might set up some plays, but since he doesnt even have high amount of assists, he might have had some luck with timing aswell.

This year was very weak for Kipper. 90.6sv% is way below league average which has been highest than ever. 91.5%-92.5%. It is a big margin. However, he has had his whole career going up and down. One season he might be Vezina-worthy, and the next one he is playing worse than a backup. It also can be of his huge workload, over 70 games / season is a big amount to any goalie. However, his age starts to deflect to his performances aswell. Same thing happened with Nabokov and Brodeur, all after the Olympics, not a coincidence.

Mikko Koivu can be looked as a superstar yes, but he isnt one in leagues eyes until he gets some individual recognition. He doesnt have PPG pace. And he has only 1 gold on team level (the one which came yesterday). He just hit his prime and maybe he can get his game on another level. But at this point, Koivu isnt a superstar in anyones but Finns and Minnesota fans. I hope he will because Saku was a great captain and Koivu has all the possibilities to follow his footsteps. However, he has shown signs of being clutch player, and thats what matters in big games.

Quote from Juzaa :

@Ati if you can read finnish you'll see that in here: http://www.yourmove.fi/service.cntum?pageId=148190 it says that floorball is actually second (my mistake) in the number of players. ''Kokonaisharrastajamäärän arvioidaan olevan yli 350 000, mikä tekee siitä Suomen toiseksi harrastetuimman lajin jalkapallon jälkeen.'' But it is second to football. It does not mention hockey but it is quite clear.

The rink size arguments also work only for defencemen because for an attacker it just offers an advantage. You have more room to pull your tricks. Ovetchkin and kovaltsuk definately didn't have a disadvantage when they had more room to go pass the defencemen. In larger rink it's about skill and in smaller you need more strength. That's the difference. If you looked at Skinner he was on fire few times. He had absolutely no trouble and I can't see how the larger rink was a disadvantage to anyone else than defenders.

I still don't get you point about the +/- because the points in +/- vary from player to player quite a bit. If you were watching the statistics of say 10-20 games it might not show anything but in longer run it shows whether you are good on both sides of the ice or not. If you're on the ice when opponent scores statistically 1/5 times it is your fault. If you as a defender can keep you enemy from scoring and others can't your +/- does look quite a bit better unless you're totally hopeless with your offensive skills.

I wouldn't blame Rask for Boston's failure though. He didn't play that bad in all of the last 4 games. And as for superstar goalies Kiprusoff for exaple is definately a superstar. He plays the most games of all goalies in the league and is the sole reason Calgary has a chance to win games. Thomas was a huge flop last season so I wouldn't name him a superstar unless he can prove that he can keep up the good work.
Mikko Koivu is a huge superstar in Minnesota and their captain for a reason. Malkin on the other hand hasn't proved himself to be a superstar in my opinion. He's in the shadow of Crosby too much.

Just wait a few years and we'll have a new suprerstar called Granlund.

Continuing on topic, please do ignore the nolifers.

Those numbers do not cover professionals, though. Where to get the numbers from that? I have no idea. I get the point though you're right.

The Rink size has small effects on many other things like pace, amount of passes, amount of dekes, positioning. It all changes which makes things complicated overall even though your point is valid.

The +/- Stat isnt so important because your opponent varies alot, youre not going to play against the same team for the whole year. You might get a huge blowout win 8-0 and be on ice on even strenght on all of them and then lose some games with -1 on your stats. This happens against very weak teams in the NHL.

Rask let some very easy ones in last 3 games, he wasnt ready for the pressure, even though he had a very great season. Almost Vezina worthy. Kiprusoff was a superstar, his numbers have been on decline since lockout, slowly but steadily. He is a streaky goalie, bit like Luongo and Brodeur, sometimes he is unbeatable and sometimes everything goes in. In the recent years he has has more of latter ones. Thomas on the other hand is getting his 2nd Vezina in 3 seasons. And in the recent one he set the new National Hockey League sv% record (done by Hasek) which some thought was unbeatable.

Koivu is a great player, great one. Lets put it this way. Crosby vs Koivu, both are very good. But one of them is a superstar and the other is not, even though Crosby can be said to be a generational talent. Koivu is a great leader, but he needs some individual awards and more team-success to get into that special group.

Malkins Conn Smythe trophy and PPG pace speaks for itself, During Penguins 2009 Cup run Malkin was the man carrying the team, not Crosby. And Malkin has been suffering from some very big injuries this season, bit like Parise.

Quote from CrAZySkyPimp :

He will always be more finnish then you will ever be you traitor

Flamebaiting, sorry i dont talk with nobodies. Worse than aids. I dont even bother flaming you.
Shadow, i find it funny how you took that 1 bit where i insulted you, it was full of your troll.

Quote from Hahmo :

You are still the same old ****ing elitist.
If you don't enjoy winning something that is very special to finnish citizens, get the **** out of the country and stop complaining. And like Teemu said,
You are not worthy having that flag next to your username. End.

WEEEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAARE THE CHAAAAAAAAAMPIOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS

Says the Irish, get some brains and arguments or go back to screw your sheeps emo kid.

E: Reijans is Shadow? Yeah thats the argument where i flamed Shadow to oblivion, we had some argument about a year ago about him trolling.

Quote from CrAZySkyPimp :

And who are you again?! Just do what I said kthx.

I am your daddy and youre my bitch.

@ Juzaa, those are very good point thanks for providing arguments.

+/- Stats are irrelevant on how good player is. Its just timing if youre on the ice when the goal is scored or not. Its a stat nobody really pays attention to. Bit like empty net goals (unfortunately they count).

I was talking about the Rink size effect to the NHL'ers. Using Kovy and Ovie as prime examples. Bergenheims NHL totals are 109 points in 326 games, that is a sign of a sub-par player (and a bust at his case), he is just on a hot streak which is a good thing for him and Tampa. Oh yeah, i remember Rask, he choked against Philadelphia in 3-0 series lead. I said that Saku is a shadow of former self, he is still a decent player. Selänne is only exception, he is just sick, just like Lidström. (Solanni is a funny way to call his name, i dont know why they do that in US). You name good, even some great players. But none of them are superstars (Except Selänne). To be a superstar as a goalie, you need to put up major numbers for a few seasons, 1-2 isnt enough but it looks promising.

I wanted to hear names on the level of Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk, Stamkos, Thomas, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk and many more superstar (even elite) players. Rinne is closest one to them and he benefits from his massive size and Nashvilles defensive-minded system which inflates his stats to a small degree.

Can you link to me any stats if Floorball is #1 Sport right now? 100k people are screaming at kauppatori that Ice Hockey is right now

Best team might not always win. You saw this years World Juniors? Canada leading Russians 3-0 in Finals coming to 3rd period and then BAM they let 5 unanswered goals to Russia for gold medal. Collapses happen and it did happen to Sweden last night. Canada was much stronger than Russia in mens tournament aswell, however their defence fell asleep twice and Russia punished them on both times. Its hockey it happens. Its debatable whether the best team won but Finland definitely deserved the win, no doubt about it.

Good points, i like this.

- double sorry.

Quote from Juzaa :

For some reason you did forget Ovetchkin and Kovaltshuk from the best player-list. If I remember right Bykov tried to get Datsyuk for the final games but couldn't get him. (might have something to do with Russia not getting there)

About our NHL players we had 30 players in NHL this season. I also do remember Teemu Selänne scoring 1 goal per game in playoffs (he has also scored more goals than any russian:razz and Sean Bergenheim leading currently the best goal scorer list in playoffs. Saku Koivu has is second in number of games as the captain of the NHL team, Montreal Canadiens. Toni Lydman was second in the +/- stats of the regular season. Right now we do have 5 players left in teams currently playing playoffs and how many do you Russians have?

You demand explanations about why we have so many good players but so little extremely good? Hockey isn't even the most popular sport in Finland and we do have 5 million citizens. If say 20 percent of the kids played hockey (which isn't so by the way) we produced all our professionals from 1 million players. You have 100 million people so if 1 percent of you played hockey we were even. You know that in Russia there are more hockey players than in Finland so my excuse is that we have better coaches than you and because of the number of your citizens you have more ''natural talents''.

What comes to your 25 golds you honestly think that the ones you gained by cheating (bending the rules of no professionals allowed) count? As you may also have noticed Russia was playing hockey way before Finland so it's only natural you have more medals.

Most russian players (excluding Datsyuk) are known for not playing for their team but for themselves. Finns are team players. That's why we won this year and why you failed twice against us even though you had more skill in your roster (well Granlund was way better than any player you had but apart from him).

And why shouldn't we celebrate our victory? Our team was the best!

1 Thing - If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough.

Kovalchuk and Ovechkin (0+0 for Ovie in the tournament) underperforming all season long, you should know that. Kovalchuk adapting to New Jerseys system and Ovechkin with his injuries. Selänne is a machine, but he will retire after this / next season. Datsyuk saw how much the team sucked this year and wouldnt want to have any part in it, perfectly understandable.

Saku Koivu is 2nd rate player, old shadow of himself. +/- stats are very irrelevant when checking how good a player is (Lydman, he didnt even get invited to the national team). Bergenheim emerged during these playoffs, he was "unknown" before them. You mention normal NHL players, where are the superstars?

You cannot win every year, but it was clear after last years Olympics that Russian players lost their trust in Bykov but the Russian sports committee gave him a 2nd chance, he failed at that. You saw what happened in 2008 and 2009 when team chemistry was nice, nobody could stop the Russians (and Canadians).

What comes to amount of hockey players, we have equal amount of them actually (no lie), Russia has much better system and coaches to produce superstars. And Hockey is #1 sport in Finland, ask anyone with brains, Football is #1 in Russia by far.

You have Finnish NHL'ers still in the playoffs and none of them are essential in their teams success, apart from Bergenheim and Niemi (and thats debatable, hot streaks and everything). Rask backing up Thomas whole season, Salo dead, Niemi good goaltender. Bergenheim doing his own thing.

Finns were the hungriest for gold, but not the best team in the tournament. Their team just clinched together and eventually they flourished for gold medal. Also, the ice size is a bigger thing than they claim - most of the NHL'ers are used to the smaller one and simply dont have the time to change their mindset in just few days for a whole new way to play hockey. Its much more physical in NA than in Europe.

Playing for themselves and not for the team is partially true, but i think bigger part is motivation problems because most of players dreams were crushed again on getting to hoist the cup.

I never said you shouldn't celebrate the victory, just keep your feet on the ground. I've seen too many asswipes screaming how good Finland is (#1 of all time etc. you know those delusional kiddies) today already.

Some people are retarded, lets clear some things up.

To Myffe; I never said Finland was bad. I meant that tournament wasnt best-on-best. That finals record just shows how Finns choke on most important situations (and they never win best-on-best). Yesterday was Swedens turn. Finland is steadily good, its been like that for ages. But they arent and never have been Top 3 for a long period of time. They have been for 1-2 years on few occasions and then drop out to 4-6 and that is it. What comes to decent team is that the top 2 leagues in the world are having playoffs while WC's are on and its known that they couldnt care less about this tournament when they are still fighting for their respective championship (NHL's Stanley Cup and KHL's Gagarin Cup)

I dont see top players like Crosby, Iginla, Stamkos Malkin, Datsyuk and tons more playing in the WC (Crosby and Malkin are injured but they always skip the tournament anyway), you know why? They couldnt care less if its not best-on-best (if their team has dropped out of the championship hunt) or they value their league more than WC. Last time close to best teams clashed was Can-Rus in 2008.

While Finns are usually always available, what does that mean?
Finland doesnt even have much NHL'ers and most of them are goalies.

And yes, alot of names sounded familiar on the roster, but lets face the facts - they werent even near the best available.

"5 million citizens" isn't excuse since hockey is most popular sport here in Finland unlike in other top hockey countries excluding Canada. They produce more players than any other European country, yet less superstars and more beer-league players. Explanation please.

Oh yeah, you aint remembered for finishing 2nd. You're remembered if you finish 1st on the big stage. WC isnt that (unless you win them consecutive times). World cup and Olympics are.

What comes to countrys success, i think 25 golds speak for themselves. And dont say to me that "Soviet Union, Soviet Union" - because they count. And even if they didnt, Russians still have more than you even in this current complete rebuilding process which is coming to an end soon hopefully.

1 Question to Myffe - Please name me all the Finnish superstars.


Oh well, these kiddies will understand that i was right someday.

DWB Knows that top 3 is Canada / Russia / USA in no particular order so he just laughs at these fools.

Its funny how people know so little, sad really. 1 perspective isnt the way you want to approach something.

PS. Crazypimp or whatever your name is. Get educated. Just look at yourself, isnt that kind of guy everyone would want to hang by balls? I think yes. Get lost nerd i dont talk with nobodies, they are worse than aids. You are sad and you should feel bad, go back to your mommys basement. Did you know that people can criticize?



Probably full of text-errors but they can figure it out.

E: The point is to keep your feet on the ground, there is a reason they call Finns the worst fans of the world.

Last edited by EliteAti, Mon 16 May 2011, 15:44.

Quote from Mauni :

If you take a look at Swedish media, you'll notice they definitely do care about the loss...

Tabloids. They just want visibility. Majority knows whats really going on. As i said, Finland was too hungry for gold, when the rest bring out some decent rosters - everything will balance out.

Quote from Might :

So you think when they lost, they thought: "Hey, this doesn't matter, we still won the olympic games"(?)

Yep, and whooped Finlands ass "back-to-back" many times. 1 Win in a championship with not best rosters from most countries means very little overall. Dont be fooled by media, 2-11 is something i wouldnt boast about rofl.

But hey if you want to go in the bandwagon, go for it. But prepare for another dry streak.

Quote from Might :

Who gives a **** about their previous games, it was written all over their faces that they lost and they didnt feel like partying for the oh so great silver medal. GO FINLAND!

Everyone else but finns. Sorry thats the sad truth.

Quote from Uke :

u mad, sweden?

Why they should be mad? Finland is 2-11 in finals and lost to Sweden in olympic finals. Please keep your feet on the ground. Its nice to have a 16-year drought broken but Sweden is the last country you want to boast about this lol.

Quote from R.Wiles :

The site it down. Is there a way I can get hold of a free one here?

Nice bump. 3 years..

The car intro and the beat at same time was sick.

Unfortunately for Finns, Sweden will take it. They shut down Czechs completely and they will do so to Finland aswell.

Quote from BowHunt3r :

I don't care if its 12 min.

Rofl. This happens on demo, get used to it. People get votebanned for clean overtaking there. Just chill.

No.

Doesnt look like a skin to your standards, just saying still ok. Maybe little better image quality? I can see some pixelbleeding.

Getting JOOS - OBJ all the time on open configs. No vobs no nothing extra installed in my LFS.