Hmmm... Theoretically he could've obtained his slick license and 2 credits in practise session 6...

Quote from Huru-aito :

The main reason for a diesel car having "more torque" down low is that the engine is fed more fuel if rpm tries to drop below the set idle speed. Basically the diesel pump / electronics is applying throttle for you.

Not really true, the higher torque at lower rpm is because of the slower diesel combustion process that releases energy over a longer period. Any car's (with or without electronics, even old carburator cars) engine's idle speed is controlled the way you describe above - but idling and torque has nothing to do with each other.

Btw, I think the slight increase in speed that you feel when you change gears with a diesel car, is when the DMF flywheel kickbacks after picking up (storing) the initial torque - very perceptive of you.

Most modern diesel cars use DMF (duel mass flywheels) to prevent drive train shock (serves as a shock absorber), that is when the gear train takes up the diesel engine's higher torque. It is easier to kill the diesel engine in lower gears if you do not do a very smooth transfer between lower gears, like 1ste to 2nd. It is something that is a bit irritating if you are used to a gasser. You may feel in the diesel car a slight shake when you change gears, if you are not used to controlling it. Diesel flywheels in general are heavier than gassers'.

But mostly, the biggest difference you may feel and enjoy with a diesel, is pull-away torque, maybe the sound of the engine, and being able to stay in higher gears. Maybe one day LFS will give us a nice VW or Audi TDI - the best diesel engines currently available.

Quote from gazaweb :

Well with petrol when you lift the clutch you have to use the accelerator as well, but with diesel you dont, you simply lift the clutch then apply the accelarator

Not true - using the clutch and throttle with a petrol or diesel car are identical. I am saying this after 28 years of driving both, and a major part of my business is repairing clutches on gear box on diesels and petrol cars. Using clutch and throttle are a smooth transfer between both.

Great server

Any chance of setting to quali to like 30min? 15min is so short.

Jati

Thanks for the bumpdrafting, you are really good with it. Sorry I had a few mishaps when I bumped you - was my first time bumpdrafting (as the bumper) tonight... and thanx for the pb ;-)

Quote from Cawwa :

Hmm ... how about let all lapped cars do a drive through under last lap at the SC period? Maybe it would solve some of the problems since they all at least comes behind the cars on the lead lap. Cars with penalty " go to the end of the longest line" could just wait under the apron till the "drive through cars" have passed. Doable?

In NDR I have seen the admins ask towards the end of races for lapped drivers to do a voluntary drive-through, and a forced drive through on one of the last laps especially when there is a serious fight among the leaders.

Is okay to have lapped cars do a DT under SC if they are lapped due to slowness, but if they loose laps due to incidents where they were not at fault... hmmm? On the other hand, it will automatically put cars on the lead lap in the front of the pack, and lapped cars in the back. So good.

NDR also applies real time penalties, if a driver screws up, he can be given a DT during the race that must be executed within 3 laps. No argument, no negotiations... instant justice, or injustice ;-)

Please just a note on what I said about age.

I do not give a damn about how old anyone on LFS is, you can be 7 as far as I am concerned.

BUT that said, don't act like an immature kid, all of us here take part in an adult activity, have a mature attitude and do not give your age away.

This thread has again be hijacked by the immature comments of 2 kids.

Really, I wish I can drive as well as both of you, just leave the bickering at home.

Thanks Rony for clarifying - have heard the term on lfs, but never saw a definition.

Agree on the 'perm' thing, no chat is no chat.

Not sure whether this is the correct thread, but lacking any better thread:

Last night's qualification session was defined to be 20min, hardcore (no shift-s or -p).

Now I don't know whether 'hardcore' is a word used to define a type of qualification in American Nascar, but seeing that it is not defined in RN's rulesbook, I ask admins to refrain from using such subjective words.

For me:

'Hardcore' means: 1 driver qualifiy at a time, 1 out, 2 hot, 1 inlap, no shift-s or -p allowed, like what was done in every RN qualification session I ever attended.

Suddenly when quali started, everybody jumped out of the pits, started to drive like mad, I did not have a clue what was going on (note: me staying in the pits after everyone started).

'Free' qualification - means for me what last night happened.

I never understood it to mean that you start with quali, but when you shift-s or shift-p, yor session is over or you get penalised. So, I refueled to 4%, ran 4 laps, ran out of fuel and tried to coast to the pits to refuel. Wham bang someone drive full speed on the apron into me. After that it seemed like a lot of drivers shift-s or -p'd, I did not know it was allowed to o it as long as you do not join,

For the first time ever I uttered 3 words during quali -'sry', 'wait, new set'. Well, forgive me, but that was surely better than 'perm', 'perm', 'perm', 'perm', for 1000 times. Or not????????

Please define practise sessions better.

By the tim the race started, I was dismayed, after running into a crash twice, after avoiding one crash after 2 subsequent reestarts, I wasn't in the mood any longer.

After listening to all the bickering, I was not in the mood any longer tro raceeither, if I wanted conflict, I'll spent more time wih my wife, instead of trying to relax after work.

When I google 'hardcore', I just get porn in any case.

Quote from ChristijaNL :

I disagree. You can not blame the track for hatred and disrespect, it's the people that participate that cause this.

I have had lots of good oval racing on kyoto oval and if i remember well a couple of weeks ago we raced on autocross with oval layout and it was exactly the same shit with the same people. I like the new tough approach Corny's is taking even if it's gonna mean a smaller field.

Also when u say ky1 is flat out and takes no skill i disagree. Tactics play a bigger role here, when do u bumpdraft, when do u do regular drafting and when do u try to sneak away. When do u pit, etc. Makes it more interesting than the mini ovals imo.

I agree completely. As I said last night: 'All regulars doing the oval, we should expect improvement, it is not happening'. Regular track, should make the racing better. Now you want a to use a new track, better racing is not going to happen.

Past weekend's DoP (Desire of PATIENCE) 24 hour race... not one incident between 2 cars, not one chat line for 24 hours, not one bad word uttered. Completely different crowd, utter respect for each other.

I don't have an issue per se with kiddies driving leagues, but every oval race I have taken part where kiddies were allow (even FM), same thing - should be in bed or doing homework and doing something for their futures instead of thinking that bad attitudes are ok in public. DoP - age limit 16.

I love the oval, and damn, IMO, there is an awesome lot of skills involved. The problem is with those drivers thinking that the oval is about 'foot down, turn left turn left'.

Practise session #2 total chaos.

Sorry for quitting, but the session was scheduled to be about an hour, and after an hour nothing was going on except crashing.

Apart from the qualification that was not well defined.

And I am getting tired of the bitching during open chat.

And this is not directed against the admins - if I were them I would've quit the practise session, thanks for your patience.

amongst others:

00 M.Kingsbury : 52 T.Korený - why do you suck so much
00 M.Kingsbury : cmon
00 M.Kingsbury : u need more track u retard

Last edited by Jettascuba, Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25.

Thanks Deco, is a nice message you are sending.

IMO: zero tolerance for anyone passing during the first lap after a green flag that are in an accident involving any driver that started ahead of him. Simple as this, get the aggresiveness after starts away from NDR and RN events.

I love both leagues and have huge respect for the organisers of both. I take part in both, but as I am older than a number of the kiddies taking part, I am more cautious (I simply cannot be aggressive and controlled when 25 drivers are surrounding me, can anyone really be??) than them, which usually costs me dearly.

Session: Indy250
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): continuously
Drivers Involved: 14
Description: Tediously asking for permission to chat and moaning about rightful actions of other drivers - to be specific, lapped drivers drafting non-lapped drivers. Lapped drivers are not necessarily slow, they may have lost laps through no fault of their own.

Last edited by Cornys, Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:23. Reason : Filing Protest

A basic reason for a number of crashes during this event (and past events) is because drivers in the back simply throttle up on green flag, then try to drive through the pack to gain positions.

Common sense dictates that everybody should wait for the pack to spread out, before trying to gain positions.

Idiocy dictates that races can be won by driving through other drivers.

It is simply stupid and disrespectful towards cautious drivers that try their best to not make accidents.

Session: Indy250
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 28:02.46. lap 31
Drivers Involved: 12, 45
Description: Car nr 12 simply drove into the side of nr 45 after the green flag just after passing the S/F, no reason, no other cars nearby. Hereby destroying nr 45's race.

Last edited by Cornys, Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:24. Reason : Filing Protest

South City Cab Company,FO8,45,Jettascuba,Gerrit Conradie,South Africa

Jaco

Vodacom customer care is a joke.

Somehow, 2 days ago my Vodacom 3G started working again. From Firgrove towards Kuils River it seems like 8ta is good, here it is slightly worse than vodacom at its best.

Yeah, my issues also started after that terrible wind.

Hopefully we will get LTE soon.

Hi Jaco

I am probably running the same system as you are, mostly a 7.2mps Vodacom usb dongle, laterly 8ta (just because something seriously wrong with vodacom 3G here in Somerset-West at he moment). We are probably utilising the same vodacom server in cape town.

Also on windows 7 64 bit.

Best advice I can give you, remove all anti-virus, firewalls etc software. See how it goes.

What mobile service are you using? Vodacom sucks atm.

- Gerrit

Desired Entry Number (00-99)*: 45
Full Driver Name: Gerrit Conradie
LFSWorld Name: Jettascuba
Nationality: South Africa
Full Team Name: South City Cab Company

Last edited by Cornys, Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:43. Reason : Adding Entry

rename your current LFS.EXE to LFS6b.exe or alternatively LFS6e.exe when you switch. Rename the version you want to use to LFS.EXE. No mess.

Cornys

Hmmm wouldn't it have been better to switch to 0.6D on Monday? A lot of leagues race Sunday evenings, as this is an official patch, not as straightforward to switch between versions...

Just wondering...

But okay, what's done is done, will try to attend Sunday's test event...

trying to get some more drivers

Desired Entry Number (00-99): 45
Driver's Full Name: Gerrit Conradie
LFSWorld Name: Jettascuba
Nationality: South Africa