Quote from tommer :

Hey, I just wanted to pop in to say I was playing with the updated layout editor today.

I have mixed feedback. I will start with negatives so I can end on positives:-

# Negatives

## A. Fine tuning the height of objects is problematic

Why:

1. When an object is placed with o key, the X, Y and Z controls are not available.
2. Pressing PgUp, PgDown causes the object to deselect and create a new object unexpectedly. You then need to delete the other object.

## B. Selection States are confusing

Why:

When an object is placed with o, it is highlighted as though it is selected, however the move controls are not activated. The movement controls only appear when you click the object, which changes the selection color..?

## C. Losing selection when pressing space is not favorable


Why:

In the new editor, the screen can be crowded with 'Selection hints'. A creator like myself who wants to edit a layout will press Space just to see how the layout looks.

Before hand, when you pressed space again, your selection would be kept and you could resume. Now you cannot and it consumes time to get your selection back again.


Fixes:

1. Unless you can explain a tangible benefit why objects are no longer selected when placed, I suggest undoing this change, and automatically selecting the object when it is placed, like before.

2. Do not forget selections when pressing space - We use this just to see our layout without the visual clutter briefly - not to stop editing.

Okay, that's all my criticism.

# Positives

## The new selection boxes are good.

Keep them because before it could get really confusing to know what you had selected when there are just blue dots and often you would select the wrong thing without knowing.

## The keyboard shortcuts are good

I appreciate being able to raise and lower objects with pgup/pgdown.

Ctrl Z + Y is greatly appreciated too.

I think I'll keep an old copy of LFS around for layout editing now, because the object selection thing is actually a show stopper for someone like me as it significantly increases the amount of fiddling required to get objects into the right position. I really hope you can do something about that.

Have a good one,

Tommer

Couldn't have said it any better. I'm also using an older version of LFS only because of the layout editor, which I always found it much easier and quicker to use. I've really tried to get used to the new editor but I simply can't.

FinnCup 2019 Calendar has been published and I've updated the Entry List.

Last edited by Jonzu95, Thu 10 Jan 2019, 14:43.

I have updated the rulebook, received 30€ worth of Donations and added more participants to the entry list.

Three seasons down, About to kick off Season #4.

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FINNCUP CHAMPIONSHIP RULEBOOK

HOW TO JOIN?
- Read the Rules & Post all the required information to the sign up thread

WHAT CLASSES ARE THERE?
- Group-F (XRT)
- Juniors (XFG/XRG)

WHEN AND WHERE ARE THE RALLIES?
- Inspection Starts 17:00/5pm (UTC+0)
- Rally Starts 18:00/6pm (UTC+0)
- Events are hosted in: Finnish Event Server
- Password is: finncup
- 5 Stages in each rally
- After the season is over, Top 5 drivers in Juniors will rank up to Group-F while the 5 worst drivers in Group-F will drop down to Juniors
- If a Group-F driver fails to collect any points or drive 5 events during the season, the driver will drop to Junior class next season

DO I NEED ANY DOWNLOADS?
- The stages have Custom-made rally signs, that will be used in the rally
- Rally Sign Link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wrtvogux5255q47/AACGGcUAnJ0T86cCJPtor3Ana?dl=0
- You must install these to the LFS/data/dds folder

WHAT DO I NEED TO DO BEFORE THE RALLY?
- Make sure you have co-driver in the car
- Put your number in front of your name with white color
- If you drive XRT or XRG, Your car must have Fake Front lights
- Numberplates need to be on both doors with big visible size
- You can use any tires you like
- Team-mates must have at least similar paintjobs
- Driver and Co-Driver must wear Suits & Helmets

WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED IN INSPECTION?
- Fake Lights (XRG/XRT Only)
- Numberplate
- License plate
- Co-Driver

WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE RALLY?
- Each Car starts in numbered order, 20 seconds after each other
- If you are unable to finish the stage, you get another chance on the next stage but you have to change your number to yellow and you get 2 minute penalty from fastest driver in same class
- If you roll your car again with yellow number, you are retired
- If you roll after finish, or hit the STOP-Marshal, that counts as a retirement
- Restarting causes disqualification
- If you jumpstart, you will get a 10 second penalty
- If there's a faster driver behind you, let them pass
- Object penalties don't count
- Crashing into other cars on purpose will cause a disqualification
- Helping other drivers back on wheels is forbidden
- If your internet connection cuts off during the stage, you're allowed to restart once
- Times are counted as XX:XX.X
- Exploiting the layout will cause a disqualification
- If you can't drive on the event day due to work, school or something else, you can drive the event beforehand
- If you're driving the rally beforehand you can only look at the stages with Shift+U
- Everyone who drives the event beforehand are allowed to drive a 0, 00, 000 or VIP car on the event day
- The first four 0-cars to pass inspection are permitted to drive
- If 0-car is unable to finish the stage, the driver gets a warning and must change number color to yellow
- If 0-car rolls again, they will get banned from 0-car duties for the next 3 events

HOW MUCH DO DRIVERS AND TEAMS GET POINTS?
1st: 25
2nd: 18
3rd: 15
4th: 12
5th: 10
6th: 8
7th: 6
8th: 4
9th: 2
10th: 1

FinnCup PrizePool 2019 = 300€
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1. Group-F = 80€
2. Group-F = 60€
3. Group-F = 40€
4. Group-F = 30€
5. Group-F = 20€

1. Group-F Team = 15€ x 2 = 30€
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1. B-Junior = 15€
2. B-Junior = 10€
3. B-Junior = 5€

1. B-Junior Team = 5€ x 2 = 10€
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DONATORS:
Ralli.ee: 75€ (Gevin Peet)
Shell: 50€ (Joni Gullsten)
Jonkka Racing: 50€ (Tom Salminen)
EM-Rallymedia: 40€ (Eetu Marjamäki)
Vlaamse Autosportfederatie: 25€ (Pieter Soetaert)
Norbi: 15€ (Norbi Spisak)
Red Bull: 10€ (Mikael Gelin)
LK-Rallymedia: 10€ (Lassi Klemetti)
Kalle Gustafsson Motorsport: 10€ (Kalle Gustafsson)
PLW Gruppen: 10€ (Liam Berg)
Studentnews.eu: 5€ (Przemek Pabian)

I'm more active on The FinnCup facebook page, which can be found from here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/856450944452481/

Last edited by Jonzu95, Fri 8 Nov 2019, 19:55.

Well I hope you're more lucky next year. I've made multiple rule changes, such as Top 10 will gain points now instead of Top 8 and if you roll your car, you get another chance to continue the rally.

Here's the Group Photo we take after every season.

AutoGlym Rally and the whole FinnCup 2018 Season is now over. I'm very thankful that we got 30 entries to the last rally. It's been an amazing season and I will look forward hosting on the next Championship which will begin in January 2019.

FinnCup 2018 Group-F Final Standings & Prizes

1st. Gevin Peet = 75€
2nd. Eetu Marjamäki = 50€
3rd. Aatu Viljakainen = 30€
4th. Tom Salminen = 25€
5th Joni Gullstén = 20€

Team Champions: Gevin Peet & Przemysław Pabian = 20€ x 2

Deranking to Junior Class
- Juho Koski-Lammi
- Kevin Pedersen
- Niko Pajari
- Tommi Mäkinen
- Leevi Mattila

FinnCup 2018 Junior Final Standings & Prizes

1st. Kalle Gustafsson = 15€
2nd. Lassi Klemetti = 10€
3rd. Misho Velikov = 5€

Team Champions: Kalle Gustafsson & Mikael Gelin = 10€ x 2

Ranking up to Group-F Class
- Kalle Gustafsson
- Lassi Klemetti
- Misho Velikov
- Mikael Gelin
- Frans Söderbäck.

I will make a new Thread dedicated to the FinnCup 2019 Rally Championship.

Last edited by Jonzu95, Thu 15 Nov 2018, 14:25.

AutoGlym Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #10 (14.11.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Perämaa (4.1km)
SS2 - Maso (9.4km)
SS3 - Nohkua (6.5km)
SS4 - Kortejärvi (6.8km)
SS5 - Mouhijärvi (6.6km)
TOTAL LENGTH - 33.4km

If you can't attend on Event Day, you can just PM me and drive the event before Wednesday evening.

STAGE SHARING IS FORBIDDEN AND CHEATERS ARE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/856450944452481/

Can Confirm. We have now reached 85 Entries in Total which is a new Record!

2016 = 76
2017 = 82
2018 = 85 (Pending)

Lapua Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #9 (17.10.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Polvenmäki (6.9km)
SS2 - Möhrönneva (6.3km)
SS3 - Pökänloukko (5.6km)
SS4 - Hööpakka (5.1km)
SS5 - Raamattu (6.1km)
TOTAL LENGTH - 30.0km

If you can't attend on Event Day, you can just PM me and drive the event before Wednesday evening.

STAGE SHARING IS FORBIDDEN AND CHEATERS ARE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/856450944452481/

Black Rocket Rally is over. 36 cars in total and 3 of them were driving for the first time.

Group-F
Gevin Peet extends his lead to 11 Points. This means that Aatu Viljakainen is out of the championship battle and the battle is now between The 2-Time champion and the Challenger, Eetu Marjamäki. No changes in Team Points.

Juniors
Not many changes in the points here. Pieter Soetaert moves from 7th to 6th. Top 7 will likely drive XRT next year. Big maybe for 8th & 9th.

Next Rally is Lapua Rally. 17.10.2018!

Don't forget that the Event is tonight in few hours. I have also updated the start list. There will be no stream though.

Black rocket Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #8 (12.9.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Kontuvuori (6.8km)
SS2 - Jylisjärvi (5.9km)
SS3 - Oinasniemi (6.3km)
SS4 - Läyliäinen (8.4km)
SS5 - Vuohiniemi (4.3km)

TOTAL LENGTH - 31.7km

If you can't attend on Event Day, you can just PM me and drive the event before Wednesday evening.

STAGE SHARING IS FORBIDDEN AND CHEATERS ARE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/856450944452481/

Another successful event is in the bag.

This has to be the tightest rally there's ever been. Under 1 second differences in both classes and congratulations to Gevin Peet & Mikael Gelin for their respectable victories.

I can now also pretty much confirm that the current Top 5 Junior drivers will be seen driving XRT's next year.

FinnCup Rally Championship will continue tonight!
4 Brand new stages waiting for you to enjoy! (+1 old one)

Waltikka Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #7 (15.8.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Leinamo (6.4km)
SS2 - Tarttila (8.4km)
SS3 - Valkeakoski (4.7km)
SS4 - Saukko (6.2km)
SS5 - Retula (8.5km)
TOTAL LENGTH - 34.2km

Group Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/856450944452481/
Livestream: www.twitch.tv/Jonzu95

I can proudly announce that Summer Vacation is over and Waltikka Rally is ready for action on 15th of August, including 4 Brand new Stages!

Waltikka Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #7 (15.8.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Leinamo (6.4km)
SS2 - Tarttila (8.4km)
SS3 - Valkeakoski (4.7km)
SS4 - Saukko (6.2km)
SS5 - Retula (8.5km)

TOTAL LENGTH - 34.2km

If you can't attend on Event Day, you can just PM me and drive the event before Wednesday evening.

STAGE SHARING IS FORBIDDEN AND CHEATERS ARE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON.

FINNCUP GOES TO SUMMER VACATION

This was something I never planned to do, but it might be for the best to all of us. I was left behind with my upcoming layout project schedule and the new LFS 0.6T update just got released with a new layout editor which caused me a lot of problems to get used to, meaning I can't finish the layouts in time. Instead of rushing and choosing poorly built layouts, I've decided to move AutoGlym Rally to somewhere in November so I can provide you high-quality layouts for the rest of the season.

I deeply apologize but I'm sure you all understand. Enjoy the summer, it's not going to last forever.

Quote from Yisc[NL] :

From the releasenotes: https://www.lfs.net/patch-6t

ALT key can be used to temporarily hide selected object outlines

I know, That's why I suggested that it could be toggled to hide it permanently instead of temporarily.

Am I the only one who finds the Layout editor extremely difficult to use? I've noticed few things when trying to build one.

- Can't zoom while choosing multiple objects
- The gray object line is blocking the view when placing another object (I would suggest that a button toggles it on or off instead of holding alt for a moment)
- Objects are invisible when clicking an object already placed on the ground
- Floating objects are also more difficult to place correctly

Might take a while to get used to all this, I just prefer the old layout editor.

I have to say there are few positive things about it as well, For example:
- When holding ctrl you can choose objects just like shortcuts on your desktop
- Undo & Redo
- Marshall circles can be now 0 meters.

Last edited by Jonzu95, Sun 8 Jul 2018, 08:54.

Lot's of drama at the Pohjanmaa Rally. Nico Valkonen was fastest on every stage, amazing performance!

Next Rally will be AutoGlym Rally, 11th of July!

You can watch the Tonight's event in my Livestream: https://www.twitch.tv/jonzu95

Pohjanmaa Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #6 (13.6.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Tuomikylä 1 (5.9km)
SS2 - Hirvijärvi (7.5km)
SS3 - Suokko (5.6km)
SS4 - Seinäjoki (4.2km)
SS5 - Tuomikylä 2 (5.9km)
TOTAL: 29.1km

You know the drill, if you can't attend on Wednesday, you can just PM me and drive the event before the Wednesday evening.

STAGE SHARING IS FORBIDDEN AND CHEATERS ARE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON.

We're now half-way through the Season. 5 Events are behind and there has been a minor rule addition due to lack of drivers in the Group-F Class.

NEW RULE:
- If a Group-F driver fails to collect any points during the season, the driver will drop to Junior class automatically.

Next Event is Pohjanmaa Rally, 13.6.2018.

Fifth Round of FinnCup 2018 Tonight! Don't miss it!

OK-Auto Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #5 (16.5.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Haukjärvi (6.4km)
SS2 - Töyrylä (6.6km)
SS3 - Arokallio (5.5km)
SS4 - Kirveskorpi (7.8km)
SS5 - Teuroinen (4.4km)
TOTAL: 30.7km

https://www.facebook.com/groups/856450944452481/

The event will be also livestreamed at www.twitch.tv/Jonzu95

OK-Auto Rally is right behind the corner. Here's all the Rally info below

OK-Auto Rally, FinnCup 2018 Event #5 (16.5.2018)
INSPECTION STARTS = 17:00 UK / 18:00 SWE / 19:00 FIN
RALLY STARTS = 18:00 UK / 19:00 SWE / 20:00 FIN
Server: Finnish Event Server
Pass: finncup

SS1 - Haukjärvi (6.4km)
SS2 - Töyrylä (6.6km)
SS3 - Arokallio (5.5km)
SS4 - Kirveskorpi (7.8km)
SS5 - Teuroinen (4.4km)
TOTAL: 30.7km

You know the drill, if you can't attend on Wednesday, you can just PM me and drive the event before the Event Night.

STAGE SHARING IS FORBIDDEN AND CHEATERS ARE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON.

I deeply apologize, I completely forgot to upload the results in here.


Due to high popularity of the championship, The point system will be changed for Season 2019. (25-18-15-12-12-10-8-6-4-2-1)