alto gether i must of gone round that track atleat 500 times in a row and i must of entered that chicane about 5000 times and everytime the front dosen't grip unless a turn more or slow down, Its noit that im that impatant, I know how to take the lines and everyting, But the car just will not hold at them speeds, Theres no way i can go flat through that chicane cause i hit the tyres everytime, All i want to do is go online and have a couple of good races but i can't even do that, I seem to get this in all my games, Albtross18, I can hit shots really well and they get really close but never in and Anarchy Online By the time i got new stuff for my chara its all useless and i have to get more, But i've always been better at driving game altho i just can't grip where everyone else is flatout

Last edited by Koshi_Eternium, Mon, 28 May 2007 23:49.

It would be nice if i knew how to read them graphs [But too poor quality] as i said im just a driver and make use of them, But its the same as replays i just can't match them with getting side effect that no one else seems to get, Geeman i've tried putting what everyone has told me together, I was told to brake harder and later, Thats whats making my turn in bad and if a braked any later i wouldn't make T1 at all if a do not turn that much i can not turn enough I have to turn more or it dosen't stay on the track, I just don't get how the cars hold for everyone else but not me, Its not like i have no driving experance witch is why its bugging me so bad no matter what i do, Its pushing me to the point where im gunna smash my wheel and uninstall the game but i don't wanna do that, i just wanna join some leagus and stuff

So how do i get the front wheel to grip into the chicane cause they just side forwards? And if i life off the front tyres still don't grip and turn the car i being a as smooth with the wheel I just can't win I do something, Its wrong I do something else its still wrong Like T1 Kirk siad just as that curb starts any later and the won't turn in and gose wide So i ether need someone to teamspeak me round so they can tell me the exact point or that chicane need flaterning slight, And since the track will neven change im stuck with a game i want to play but theres no point in cause i can't drive the car i see everyone do, No matter on setup or driving style

Last edited by Koshi_Eternium, Mon, 28 May 2007 23:48.

Kirk tried to show me it on line but even with Shift-F8 it was still too jumpy to follow, I see the line, But the car dosen't want to turn enough to dodge the tyres without me having to back off the power

I just tried about 50 time to take that first chicane in 5th 120mph, Like i've been told and i've seen on replays, But my front tyres don't do enough anything i can do to help this? I was think about take the final drive from 4.500 it about 3.500 and taking the chicane is 4th but would that make me slower, I have no idea or comparson apart from the replays the i can't drive like

And when i use the grass on the exit of that chicane it flicks my tail out and loses me and 15-20 MPH

Last edited by Koshi_Eternium, Mon, 28 May 2007 16:27.

If i touch the curbs the tyre loses grip causing the other tyres to follow suit, Its not like i dunno how to drive, the car just will not handle like i see in replays even though its the same setup same speed and lines, If its not the phisics is how everyone is drving the way they are and not letting me know what exactly it is that im missing so i can drive like it?

Will do another replay but its really starting to bug the snot out of me cause i can't see where i am going wrong, I try to keep in high revs but turning even on high speen turns make them drop

I am really at a loss with these slick tyres, I've been doing what everyone has said and yet the car still will not drive like i see in replays and online, I am using the same lines and same speeds that i see in replays, But the outcome for me is always loss of grip on slow turns and rev drops on faster turns [Cause i've been told to stay away from the curbs and the grass i need to turn tight and that pulls down my top speed] As for these slick tyre being real, You should look at the tyres for NetKarPRO, They modled it so the tyre pick up dirt and you can see the tyre wear on the rubber, Altho i could get into gear and test the physics but the look real enough saying tha they are real race cars, Whitch i think is the problem, Cause LFS cars aren't real, The wheel base or something must be afftecting the way im reading the slick tyre or the tyres are affecting the way i read the car, But i have no idea what dose what, I just drive and i can't on'y do that with a setup tuens for me, But i don't have no one who can help me with this, People have started and i thank them all for it, I just need alittle more to get the car to handle like i see it doing for everyone else

Now im having trouble turning enough into the chicane cause it floats through and makes it hard to turn right out, I've watched a bunch of replays but without feeling it through the wheel its pretty much useless to me, Im using the eaxcat same line and entree speed, But where everyones grips turning right on the exit, Mineundersteer throught slightly leftand then floats the rest only just missing the tyres and the outside wall like a clipped a patch of oil or something, Using CptKirks setup i dobbled it and reduced the brakes by 50 and add .300 to the final drive helping some, Lighter brakes so it dosen't lunge forwards when i let off and the accell up slightly is keeping the revs higher but the 400ish lock to lock deg shakes the wheel at high speeds its mainly that chicane and the line into the the last turn i don't quite get

Im still 3 second slow, Not only that i got baned from Racing Redline 2 cause i get past by everyone off the line and i clipped somes back wheel, Not that i got a chance to say sorry, I have more rear down force all thats done is giving me more understeer I just can not make the car drive like you are and stay on the track, It just dosen't wanna feel like a real car and i know your gunna say its as close as, But i've been looking at NetkarPRO and its all based on real single seater cars driven by real pro drivers, Its looks really good, But all i could do was turn the car on, I couldn't get into gear and try it, I just wanted to see if it would help me in LFS but nothing seem to work without really bad side affects, Twitchy steering, Understeer on flatout turns and granraly nothing to leave the corner faster, Braking later and harder stores momentom and makes the car wanna go to the outside aswell as making my turn in point to late, This wouldn't be to bad if a knew how to tweak a setup to minamlise this, But i am just a driver, NOT a mechanic

I got a setup from redlines CptKirk and its grips very well, But i can't hold the revs through the frisrt chicane and bit before the last chicane cause i don't wann run off i turn a little more and this brings the revs down, CptKirk also mentioned change my wheel lock to lock deg to 400ish even though its a 180 deg wheel, And its has helped turning in if made things a alittle twitchy, I mangage to get 1:03.4something but other than the two place where my revs drop there isn't many more places to go faster

Heres some from the short track, I can't get any of the GTR cars round, Only Single seaters, But i've been trying everything and the cars don't seem to have much more to give without overshooting or crashing, I' tried my best to match the replay sent but the car won't drive like that And yes i know i wouldn't be running 1st everytime from no practice, But i didn't expect to be past by at least 7 cars from a standing start using a setup claming to be able to to this short track in under 1:00

I would like to belive you, but i don't feel nothing from the apex to the exit, I'll try more turn comp but will that affect drifting? Cause at 50 its felt good

I just tried everything i've been told or the short version of the track the replays are of, Not only couldn't i beat 1:04.08 i got got over taken by everyone off the start line dispite hitting my shifts and using later braking[Altho making turning in to the turn alittle harder], So the only think i keep coming to is the slick tyres, I've play'd lots of differnt grip games from touring to F1 [Always without most driving aids] and theres something about these slick tyres that just dosen't feel right

I have my wheel turn compensation set to 50, I wouldn't know what an i deal setting would be same gose for car setups, I'll try later harder braking and more control steering and power and post a replay or two, Braking later is helping abit but harder is not also braking later cause me to overshoot the apex cause i don't want to turn to hard and i can't get on the power for the exit, Something else i noticed whats that replay, My speed drops round the slight right lef after turn 1 [That i can take 5th gear 100+mph] and i get round the second hair pin cause i can't turn enough with upsetting the blance, Then more speed drop on the long sweeping right hander even though if i turned less it would go off the track its hard to turn enough for the last hair pin and i can't quite turn right half way through the chicane dispite droping to third and about a 1/4 - 1/3 steering to dodge the tyre wall

Last edited by Koshi_Eternium, Sun, 27 May 2007 18:11.

Theres no need for to fuller braking on that track and i don't wanna lock a wheel and late on the power is because the tail slides more grips so if i was earlyer on the power it will just turn car around Witch is my oridgnal problem of having to go slower than everyone else cause the slick tyres And i am smooth on the steering, Its just the wheel making look that way ruducing the steering lock? I had to add more to make some on the tighter turn cause i would turn the wheel and it would stay pretty much stright, Unless you where going 5mph

yeah, I may not be a great wheel [Only 180deg] But it plays well i think my throttle may be alittle sensitive cause it got full of dust, Using a PS2 arcade stick like a rally click up click down shifter works quite well to

I do slow in fast out, But i get loss of grip between the apex and the exit and can't really fast out without spining, i have the G-ball mod and its show car angle, Its always on 1deg no matter how slow i take a corner or smooth i am on the steering and throttle I have found a few setups that don't do this and i can hold most corners but i can't keep up with the speeds

Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP, With looks to get Act labs shifter and tripple pedal set, But for now im shifting with new Audi TT style auto clutch sequental paddles or a PlayStation2 arcade stick

To be honest i wasn't sure where to post, I just saw General Racing Talk and figuared thats a good place to start

Last edited by Koshi_Eternium, Sun, 27 May 2007 01:43.

Should be the newest one W patch, Sorry this wasn't ment as an improvment surgestion, Altho now its here a have a few, WRC's plus full dirt tracks and truck cabs, two axle short nose and three axel long nose, Sorry to keep adding to post, But to go with the WRC's and full dirt tracks, A dirt autocross area would be good to, Like field or something

Last edited by Koshi_Eternium, Sun, 27 May 2007 01:05.

Ok here are some replays, I tried to get some GTR ones but i just can't find any grip through slower corners mainly but lets go on any corner if it feels like it, Anyways Single Seater replay, Its as fast as i can push the car with it leaving the tramac and i still dunno why it is 4 or so seconds slow

Good idea, Will be back with them soom, Thanks for help so far

I have tried watching other people race and i've put in a week or so of offline practice but the way people through go through the turns just dosen't work, All my cars let go and hit the outside wall cause the slick tyers just give up and lose grip and even if i do make the turn i get passed at everypoint, I have the lines but the car just won't go the 3-5 second slower that i am, No matter what i do

And no its nothing to do with Slickmod as that dosen't work with W patch

I,ve been drive the XRG, XRT, FZ5 and RB4 mainly and they are good cars, But i wanted to go a bit faster round the track maybe jion some race leagues, I've tried the GTRs and the Single Seaters and no matter what i do, I just can't go as fast through the corners as everyone else can cause the tyres don't seem to have any grip when i need it out of the turns, I've tried dozens of setup some better than other and my lines are getting cleaner but i just fed up with cars passing me with ease eventhough im going as flat out as i can without leaving the track

Sorry if this has been covered in another post, Not that i could think what to sreach, A few guesses didn't come up with anything nothing