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EDIT: Shoot...I dont have Teamspeak...can you guys do vent instead?

Is there any restrictions for this? I mean...havoc has found a way to balance out all 3 GTR cars on the oval with a few res.

I suggest you do the same unless you want everybody to just choose the FZR

There's Danica mania fanboys who praise that Danica's the best driver there is and then there's Danica cynics who will NEVER be impressed no matter how well she's driven...

Seriously...this is getting ridiculous...the truth is somewhere in the middle guys...I mean...look what happened to Milka Duno.

Danica isn't great. But she isn't bad at all. Yes she's overhyped, but she isn't a sh*t driver unlike Milka Duno or Yuji Ide

Quote from PMD9409 :

Straight Talladega Nights right there!

Guy straight lost it on his own then jerked the wheel to the right which ended up with him rolling. It's rather odd that while he started to spin back the other way he still had the wheel full lock to the right.

And who else saw the graphic when the Bud Shootout started that said "Race must end under green"? That should imply that they do a green/white/checkered until the race ends under green, but by the looks of it they didn't even give an attempt.

He was a she btw. That was Jill George

EDIT:
Here's the flip with commentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBoo2HlXsSA

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:56.

Quote from mutt107 :

danica did a good job in her first race

Unlike Piquet she was fantastic. I mean...last to 7th. That is quite something. I mean...yeah...it's ARCA...but it's difficult to place well in ARCA cause of all the crashes. It's easy for someone from the top tier to outpace ARCA drivers (montoya, carmichael, patrick, etc) but it isn't easy to finish well and avoid all those ARCA wrecks.

Good job Danica...Piquet....please step it up

Boy is ARCA a crashfest. Watching the ARCA highlights makes me nervious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMCclKVrf4

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:33.

Does anybody think that Nelson Piquet jr did a horrible job at ARCA?

Did anybody see that move against Danica that almost took her out? Jesus. Piquet...you HAVE to have more awareness...and this is in ARCA. This isn't even NASCAR yet.

http://www.nascar.com/video/na ... ca_high.nascar/index.html

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Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

Tristan, you obviously have no intrest in LFS anymore, you have no involvement in it, you never play it online anyway, all you do is give us your insight into things on the forum. Trying to be the big man as usual, your opinion really matters to me, thanks.

Maybe this thread won't get me anywhere but something i anted to get off my chest. No they don't owe me anything, im saying this because i care, if i didn't care i wouldn't say anything. Im not some noob that's been here 2 minutes ive been here a long time and put alot fo time and effort into it and the devs aren't bringing anymore content out.

All i want is a date or a patch, not much to ask for, im sick of all this waiting and guessing for over a year, its just taking the piss.

All the hardcore racers that have put time into it will agree, if they're still here that is.

Yes pearcy ur frustration is understandable. I share it. Seriously I do. I wanted badly better damage and aero so the oval racing part of LFS can be atleast semi realistic. It isn't.

But in all honestly, complaining will not get anywhere. Especially if the devs have already made up their mind on how this game's development will operate.

All you can do...is continue to play LFS. And if that gets boring or it gets too frustrating (cause it reminds you of too many unfulfilled potential). Than just move on. Again, there's games and there's a life outside of LFS. Enjoy those for now and come back to LFS when (or if) it suits your ideals.

It's what I do. I've scaled back in my LFS involvement. Yet I'm still here going round in circles. Despite it's flaws, LFS is still a great game and I will continue to play it for what it is.

Yeah, I'm fed up with LFS as well....but I'm not complaining. Hey...I'm still going around in circles at the KY1 and occasionally having a blast. But tbh LFS doesnt owe us anything and LFS doesnt have to update. In fact, it has updated much more than any other game or MMORPG for that matter so I'm already happy with it if it remains stagnant for the rest of it's days.

That being said. Yes, the devs needs to update or else it will die. But it is their decision and we cant do anything about it besides either being loyal or moving on.

So...in all this polarity...the middle ground is actually more in line with the truth (IMO). The people who complain DO have a point. I mean this is EXACTLY how an MMORPG dies (seriously). However, the people who defend LFS also have a point. Both sides have valid points.

Facts:
LFS is flawed. LFS is very much glaringly incomplete. LFS is slow.

The Devs dont owe us anything. They can decide to not update anymore and LFS will still be a great game (the devs of rFactor stopped giving patches to that a long time ago).

Complaining wont do anything. You can either stay a loyal (almost fanboyish loyal but still loyal...) or just move on. There's other games out there not to mention an entire life.

Now...let me get back to my oval...

Auuuuug too short of a notice for me I'm willing to do it next time you want to practice tho

Quote from Shotglass :

well...
no

does accepting this limitation make watching boats go round in circles any more interesting?
no

Well...for 1 NASCAR and IndyCar isn't exactly an underground sport. So the fact that the tracks are oval shaped doesnt really have much to do with it imho. 2 what ever happened to the racing for the sake of racing? Does it really matter if the hydroplanes race on a Nordschleife-like course compared to Daytona? Not really...the boats themselves are already a tremendous feeling in the first place.

Besides, by this point, it doesnt really matter if the boats go round and round in circle or a more complicated circle. The hydroplane sound is absolutely epic, they have an awesomely futuristic chassis (unlike NASCAR) and they look really cool when they gracefully glide on the water (and creating huge streams while they are doing it)

So...no my question isnt answered. If they were once popular why aren't they popular now? Did FIA take it over or something?

Quote from diablo21 :

I love this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Iyw5LFrJs

I think the hydroplanes are a little cooler. But the fact that it's racing on a very very tight and complicated course would call for a more minimalistic design. I'm more meh to those kinds of boat racing but I still think it's cool

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But these hydroplane leagues still exists dont they? I mean is there anyway to watch them? Or are they just completely not broadcasted all together?

I remember watching them as a kid. Never really got into them until recently when I actually saw a hydroplane.

Just curious, why does no one care about boat racing? Why does no one care about Hydroplane GP racing. I mean...yeah, they basically race in oval shapish docks...but are you really expecting Nordschleife for these things? but I've been to one recently in person and I think it was pretty awesome. Great sound, great speed, and really cool to watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPZLT1Najg

So...no coverage? Does no coverage automatically = no interest? Or is it just not commercialized yet?

Quote from blackbird04217 :

LFS does not calculate this level of accuracy, I know this from some of the several ties I have had in the passed, some I've 'won' without being the 'winner'. It was clearly visible, in slow motion, that the other car crossed the line just slightly ahead.

I'm by no means a programmer. But this theoretically means that this can be relatively easy to have LFS calculate to the thousandth?

Quote from J@tko :

First one to do the lap gets the higher position.

Yeah...that's very unfair. Especially if you get the lower cue (which I always get :razz.

EDIT:

Never mind...I misread amp88's post

Quote from tristancliffe :

I suppose thousandths would be nice one day. Anything more - 10 thousandths - isn't necessary in LFS or real life, but it is something to wow the fans with (who think that having timing to 10 thousands of a second actually helps).

http://spreadsheets.google.com ... FI1k7pKLg&output=html

Also. The interval between 2nd and 3rd at indycar kansas in 2005 was 0.0001. So tell me that doesnt matter in real life

EDIT: misread tristan's post

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Quote from DejaVu :

lol at piquet

Don't Forget Jacques Villeneuve and Keiichi Tsuchiya's NASCAR fails:

JV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMkB6FdTAt0

Drift King: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xpfVVvz3Wk

Quote from Timdpr :

While 0.0099 is pretty impressive, the margin between 2nd and 3rd was 0.0001! If Bryan Herta had farted he would have got 2nd. (Please don't go into the physics of that. It would happen. Okay?)

LOL I've actually never bothered to check the 2nd and 3rd...but wow...0.0001. That blew my mind

Ok...now...I never really fully got a sure answer on this. I've heard many many things from multiple different people.

As most, if not all of you know, LFS calculates (or shows) down to the hundredth decimal place.

And, as most if you already know (either from experience or just plain logic) that calculation is usually not close enough for oval racing and finishes (and sometimes this isn't enough for circuits as well).

Does LFS even calculates below the hundredth decimal place? Is the scoring chart accurate if...lets say 1st and 2nd's finish time is the same?

Any clarification (or discussions) would be appreciated.

Lizard

Clockwork Motorsports:
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Quote from JustForFunRacing :

omg... you are right - the skin is totally messed up

SORRY!

I am rendering it again this afternoon! (my home PC is way faster so it´t won´t take the whole night)

EDIT: updated

Sorry for the late response but those renders are great thanks

Quote from John5200 :

jeje still need to fix some thinks but here a wip

That looks wonderful John. The more renders we have the better. Keep me updated on your progress (and thanks for choosing to render our skins )

EDIT: JustForFunRacing...I noticed an error with your render. The left rear wheel is a little messed up. Here, this is the problem. Would you mind fixing it?

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Clockwork Motorsports:
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Change of Heart:
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Quote from DejaVu :

This is what happens when you try to teach american racers to turn right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OLOdwcw5A&feature=fvw

Hahaha very funny...too bad there are only 5 americans in IndyCar :rolleyes:

so this is what happens when F1 drivers turn left? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjTfk29nME ......

Also. Top ten indy finishes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... hmBhk&feature=related Hmmm...all ovals....i wonder

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Quote from blackbird04217 :

As far as the racing, that was great. But the video was rather boring; the default camera shots - and not only just the default camera shots but the same ones over two laps. (Until the very end where you did add another perspective). I know you were likely not aiming to make a quality video; but (and without meaning to sound as harsh as it does) I think this would have been best written in a story vs shown like this.

Add different points of view and play with the cameras for a little bit of time, it will give a lot better result; possibly liven it up with some form of music. Not saying remove the ingame sounds, but some background music would be a nice touch. Like I said, the racing was nice.

Yeah i understand that the video was just...well...racing with default cameras. But this race just happened like 8-10 hours ago. So I didn't exactly bothered to think about how to make this more entertaining beyond the intense racing.

I may remake it in the future...but probably not. This was meant more as just conveying that racing in the Kyoto 250 CAN be great without anything non-diagetic elements. I put this together quickly mainly cause lotsa people were a little disheartened by the massive amounts of cautions and crashes from the practice sessions

Last edited by lizardfolk, Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:08.