Quote from tristancliffe :

There is just a terminology barrier.

I never ever ever drift whilst racing. I might get a bit of a slide (or a big slide), and I might vary my slip angle depending on circumstance, but I'll never drift. Drifting, for me, is all about 'look at me homies, I can make a car slide innit'. Drifters don't care about lap times or beating a clock. Racers do.

It really annoys me when I hold a slide around a corner and people say 'nice drift'. I WASN'T FECKING DRIFTING!!! I was trying to catch the person ahead/pull out a lead/beat a pb/qualify on pole. Not drift. If I was drifting I would slap lots of stickers on my car the wrong way round and speak in mumbles because I'm too shy and have tonnes of acne...

I was wondering when Mr.Knowitall would chime in with something absolutely ridiculous and stereotypical as usual. <3 Now that I think about it, its not even stereotypical. Its just stupid and ignorant.

Who cares who drifts, who doesnt, what drifting is, what it isnt. Mountian circuts are wanted. THAT IS ALL.

Quote from Crazy Harry :

It´s always good to read through a WHOLE thread before answering something stupid. See the threads name? It´s about drifting not about rallye stages. illepall

Crazy "LFSzilla" Harry =)

I have read the whole thread. Which is exactly why I said what I did. If you had read it also, you would say the same thing. illepall

Anyways, I am going to go race.

This is just turning in to a "my dick is bigger then yours" thread about peoples supposed knowledge on history and racing.

The fact is people want mountian circuts. End of story.

Lock thread.

To be perfectly honest with you, touge is what I am more after, not D1 point style drifting. and yes, touge is racing. D1 style drifting is not. There is a winner in touge based on speed, but drifting is applied to help around the turns in order to keep speed up.

as for george_tsiros trying to be funny and all. I am 20, have a son and have a full time job. Good try being a dick. but no, it did not work. You just sound as stupid as everyone else who blames ideas they think are dumb on "12-y-o" noobs.

It doesnt have to be point to point. Make it a circut around the mountian up and down, doesnt have to be mt.everest. One side up one side down.

Quote from Blowtus :

NFS does racing too, why bother with LFS?

Exactly. Its not like I want "dryft tyres!!11 and nawss!!!" Just a mountian run. How long would it possably take to map a course like that? Not long. I have made many maps for many other games, and its not a huge project that takes months and months.

Whats to be unsulted by? normal racing requires grip? i have played games where you pick your style of racing, drift or grip. whats the problem?

You guys are so narrowminded. Things have to be your way or not at all. This reminds me why I stopped visiting the forums in the first place. There is no room for compromise or reasonable accomodations.

I will just assume end this conversation and be on my way.

Last edited by m374llic4, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 01:41.

Quote from MAGGOT :

Actually, you are the ignorant one. Drifting isn't racing. It is about the visual aspect, the skill aspect, and of course the showmanship. In racing, the first to the finish lines wins, barring disqualification. In drifting, you are given a score based on various criteria, therefore, it is not racing. Drifting is the automotive equivalent of figure skating. (If you take that as an insult, then you truly are ignorant.)
It is a legitimate form of motorsport, but it is not racing.

Now, I will go back to my argument; LFS is a racing simulator. As per my comments above, drifting is not racing and thus, special accomodations should not have to be given.

Ok, that being said, Running on a skid pad isnt racing either, so get rid of it? No. Its part of what we refer to as motorsports, (aka racing) not nessecaraly the dictionary definition of racing, but a sport or activity done with cars.

So is drifting.

This is seriously starting to get old now...the meaning and objective of my post remains. Take it as you will.

I have been playing LFS for a long time. And for a good while everyone, it seems, has a thing against drifters, but why? Just because your not in to it? I am not in to rally racing, so why are there rally tracks? Just because I dont like them, they should not be included? Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Saying Drifting isn't a real sport, or isn't a real style of racing is just ignorant. Just because its not what your used to does not mean its not real. LFS is indeed a racing simulator, Drifting is a style of racing, as is autocross, rally, grip, and any other type people like to play.

quit being "LFS RL sim grip" fanboys and let the people who purchase the game play it how they want to. Thats why you can host personal servers and load what ever track you want.

Give us a mountian run map or 2 and just leave it at that. Sure all the other tracks are great, you can drift just fine, theres plenty of good turns. So what, there are alot more tracks in real life then that, so what not be able to play some? If you dont like it, so what? who cares if you dont like it, dont join the server and stay in your regulars. It will make absolutely no difference to your playing experience at all, everything will remain the same, you can play just the same as you always have. But people will be able to stop spending all there time bitching on the forums and be able to play the tracks they want.

So please, quit being babys.

Last edited by m374llic4, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 00:07.

nice use of RC stadium truck suspension : P haha.

Quote from spankmeyer :

Industrial size package too...



I spotted some Behringer gear also!

baby wipes box was only thing perfect size, its temporary because i could cut it easy to measure. I am going to get a real box for it haha.

and hell yeah on the behringer. only the best ; )

I play a 7 string.

Here sir is the answer to your problems. Least it works for me : )



cabnet clips

attach them to the base of your shifter and to the sfhifter rod. then forward and back stays in gear. You will have to use vice grips or something to make the part you attach to the shaft skinnier as its to hard to put it in an out of gears stock. Skinner = easy : D

Hey everyone, I been working on a shifter the last day or so. so here is what i have.

This is what I used. Logitech extreme 3d pro for the shifter because it has a good strong spring. And for the clutch im using a saitek ST290 pro because it was cheap from walmart. Just needed the axis so took out all the other wires and the handle.

I will be using cabnet clips to hold in gear, as it seems like the best way to go. They were to stiff and hard to pull back out of gear so i took fice grips to the part on the shifter to make it skinnier, now it holds just right and is easy to get out.

I kept the shaft long but the box tall so it still has a short actual throw, but it can move far enough to get all 6 gears and reverse.




Here is the diper wipe box that im using for a template, its perfect height and I can cut it easy. Then i will take dimensions and make a real box.



I made my H-Gate out of a license plate mounting kit. Its perfect width and such once you grind it down.


Carbon Fiber shift knob. Real JDM ; ) : P haha



Reverse isnt quite grinded down enough, sticks



First gear



I will update as I go along with pics of the clutch also.

Hell yeah man, about time for something like this : D

Quote from DratsaB :

I think m374llic4 might not have been aware of how the forces are used to simulate the "gated" feeling of the shifter.

For anyone interested in making a H-shifter using a force-feed-back stick, check out FFShifter over at RSC http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=214673

I use it with a totaly unmodified MS Sidewinder FFB stick. I rarely get miss shifts and cant see myself ever going back to not using a manual shifter.

Wait a sec, so they take a regular joystick, and use it as a shifter? the eff? Hmmm....Maybe i should check in to this, because I have a few joysticks im not using D :

Yes sir, every car i have owned is 5 speed. Perhaps because I have never used a h gate shifter for a game, I am unaware of what you are refering to : \

Why do you want force in your shifter? If your tranny has force when you try to change gears, you might want a new tranny.

I remember way back in the day, you were able to go there.

PS heres a skin I just made of my friend Matt Martins Pro 240.





Here's his car.


Just a skin for me to play around with, because hes a pimp. : P

nicely done. I like you guys layouts.

Quote from wark :

:doh:

hah, sorry. just most people who come on nico with posts saying "I want to build the ultimate drift car with nos, neons and a 3 story wing." were from cali : P They indeed get a good bashing.

Wow, I did not expect this many people to talk trash about it. I am sorry that I did not search, I am not a regular on the forum obviously by my 9 post count, but I was helping a friend install an engine an retune when I thought it would be neat to be able to do stuff like that in the game.

If most people want to just be pricks about it, I am sorry that i tried to add my input in what i thought would be a neat improvement suggestion.

I am not some F&F NOS bodykit fanboy from cali, just someone who enjoys playing games and working on cars. My spelling sucks, so what? Its the internet? Spell check is for important things.

Anyways, if this is how the local forum community acts and responds to suggestions, I will just assume stay in game.


If nothing else, atleast fix the spool time/match the turbo to the engine size, it doesnt not take 8k or 2nd gear to fully spool a turbo, 2500-3500 max for a decent matched turbo

Last edited by m374llic4, Wed 19 Jul 2006, 00:08.

I think we need more tuning options, such as turbo sizes, A/R, fuel ratio adjustments, engine size, stroke, bore, and all of it must be percise, such as if you put on a bigger turbo, you have to tune the AFR in 1k increments or so, so as not to burn up your engine. Would add more depth to the game, and teach people more about cars.

This and many other options should be available like what actual engine you want in the car (server option of corse) so you can do a wide range of cars, like putting a straight 6 3.0 in the GTR and picking turbo size, then you have to tune the car, so you dont blow it up.

would keep noobs from just throwing any engine in anything with a huge turbo, as you would actually have to know what you are doing. : )

Comments?

If we learned Anything from Half-Life its that the ability to change the game the way you want it is key to a long lasting and great game!

I would like to be able to customize the game, if anything, just the cars and performance. Like having a built in LFS tweak or at least the ability to use it on all the cars.

After playing rFactor, it seems this and it, if merged together would be the best racing game of all time. I hated the way rFactor played, but liked the idea of how it was built, with its open architecture.

Some better sound would sure be nice : \ slight body customization options, a few different wheels and the like.

I have not read anyone elses ideas, but I guess this might have been said alot D :

Quote from -DrftMstr- :

american engine goes accordingly to their rate of obesity, so if he HEMI 6.1L is out, it also means, look out for Godzillas around.

meh bad joke


but seriously, i think american cars need a higher cc because they are not good enough to make a 2.0L crank 210hp, so they use a V6 to do so lol.

e.g. Pontiac Soltice 2.4L I4 177hp
Jap equivilent Honda S2000 2.2L I4 240hp

lol i wouldn't even compare a RB26DETT with another 6 cylinder

RB26 is as far as i know the best, most responsive and powerful 6 cyl in the world. Can handle excess of 1,000hp. You cant beat the TQ of a straight 6. Esepcailly a twin turbo straight 6. Though i would convert to a big single turbo : \