OK...Here's 2 mpr of my reverse cruising (and running)
Please Skip the first 1-2 minutes in Reverse 1........
Reverse chase fail << the name means there are other cars to put things in prespective.
For my first successful escape replay, look for Saito-Reverse Cruising.........the replay was quite old you see.....
Reverse 1:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tz5mt2dzzdn
Reverse 2: (Escape failed in the end)
http://www.mediafire.com/?yzynldzhwk0
My first successful escape on reverse set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ttmdmzmmjmz
I originally planned to release a lap of me reverse in single player but then i found out a programme which can derive your set out of your spr, so i gave up on that idea..........
Opinions most welcome
Please Skip the first 1-2 minutes in Reverse 1........
Reverse chase fail << the name means there are other cars to put things in prespective.
For my first successful escape replay, look for Saito-Reverse Cruising.........the replay was quite old you see.....
Reverse 1:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tz5mt2dzzdn
Reverse 2: (Escape failed in the end)
http://www.mediafire.com/?yzynldzhwk0
My first successful escape on reverse set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ttmdmzmmjmz
I originally planned to release a lap of me reverse in single player but then i found out a programme which can derive your set out of your spr, so i gave up on that idea..........
Opinions most welcome
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When do you get online? I am in GMT +8
everybody's been slow sometime in their past......i was very slow when i started playing, crashing more like. But generally you will improve.........ganbatte~
You don't need to use the first lap as your record lap............you can start normally and warm up the tyres first, then reverse to do a formal lap...........
I am now already trying to be faster with TC Montana city layout, layouts make it even more challenging
Oh btw, logitekg25 if you set a world record in reverse driving, i would be the first to congrat you.......and try beating your record XD provided that i have time
I am now already trying to be faster with TC Montana city layout, layouts make it even more challenging
Oh btw, logitekg25 if you set a world record in reverse driving, i would be the first to congrat you.......and try beating your record XD provided that i have time
hmm, it depends. For the same car it's virtually impossible since the loss in power, speed and acceleration would increase your lap time greatly. But beating a FXO or XFG record with FZ5 or RAC, that's quite possible.........
Instead, i think you can set a world record for any track in reverse...........that's gonna be fun
If so, there should be rules like no forward travelling allowed in the recorded lap etc..........
Instead, i think you can set a world record for any track in reverse...........that's gonna be fun
If so, there should be rules like no forward travelling allowed in the recorded lap etc..........
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Pointless, indeed. Why drive backwards when you can be much faster driving forward. Aha! You see, i started reverse driving because i was already bored with driving forward, and indeed the LFS game too. And, i wanted to have some fun while passing ppl in reverse so i did. You can do something normal cars, e.g. power out through the whole corner to get more grip............you would get oversteer in a normal RWD or understeer in a FWD car, but in reverse you would go round the corner nicely and exit at high speed......
Reply : azagedon
Well, i do not have a wheel so i can't comment on that. I would recommend mouse for steering in LFS, not just in reverse because keyboard can't be fine tuned, e.g. you can't hold the steering at a particular angle/do quick steering. The wheel should be similar to the mouse so it should be good as well. You don't need a lot of steering lock anyway
good question: I believe it has to be either the FZ5 or the RAC, but in the end, it all depends on the driver. Mr. P controlled his RAC so well even with less top speed than mine he could outrun me a few hundred meters.......and the tuning is also critical.........
Best improvement award?? that has to be awarded to the UF1. God it's such a job to drive backwards........
oh btw you can call me Black★Rock Shooter or BRS
Best improvement award?? that has to be awarded to the UF1. God it's such a job to drive backwards........
oh btw you can call me Black★Rock Shooter or BRS
Tutorial 2 extension: Reverse drift.
It's not really what you expect. More like oversteer, a reversing RWD can only do little drifts like most FWDs, mostly momentum induced. It's not hard to initial a oversteer, but it's hard to control it. So one tip i can offer is to go a little faster than you normally would, turn in as you normally would and then delay the time you start to give it opposite lock. That would let the car slide a bit and it would look like a car oversteering from behind.
It's not really what you expect. More like oversteer, a reversing RWD can only do little drifts like most FWDs, mostly momentum induced. It's not hard to initial a oversteer, but it's hard to control it. So one tip i can offer is to go a little faster than you normally would, turn in as you normally would and then delay the time you start to give it opposite lock. That would let the car slide a bit and it would look like a car oversteering from behind.
try to be more gentle on the brakes or steering. Don't give it max lock everytime you enter any corner, and try to not lock the brakes. Normals don't blow that easily......
Saw way too much accidents on cruise servers.........a guide is needed =.=
If anybody has any questions about reverse driving please feel free to ask me here.
If anybody has any questions about reverse driving please feel free to ask me here.
Well since i won't be free in the quite near future, I think i shall put a small tutorial here.....in words.........
Tutorial 2: How to control the car
Now, as the car is now rolling backwards, any steering input would be reflected in an opposite and magnified way. This is due to that the inertia of the rear end of the car would focus on the rear wheels. In normal cases (going forward), the weight transfer to the rear is good as you have the front wheels dragging the car to change direction, resulting in a better steering stability. When reversing, the extra load on the rear steering wheels could easily overcome the tyre's grip and the car will experience oversteer.
Car Dynamics: (Warning, the following guide is only applicable to RWDs ONLY. FWDs are a totally different matter)
To control the car, besides steering left to go right, ANY STEERING HAS TO BE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. Any excessive lock would cause your car to spin. One common problem with any reversing sets (at least with mine) is that it would start to understeer a little half way through the corner (e.g. devil's corner/drifter's corner in TC Montana). You can cure this by giving it more lock PROGRESSIVELY or indeed give it more gas (usually what i do to catapult out of a corner) to transfer more weight for more grip. Not every situation can be countered by this technique but with the right speed, there shouldn't be the need to apply for brakes mid-way through a corner.
When offroading (etc grass/sand), pay extra attention to the difference of grip between tarmac and grass, it can greatly steer the car when accelerating. Give it a lot more lock when cornering on grass.
Pay attention to the engine layout of the chosen car for reversing. FRs have their engines up front so it is easier for them to overcome rear grip. MRs have quite perfect for the job, the RAC being most used by Mr. P and god he's quick through the corners ( we both agreed after so many races and cruises : top speed is not important. It's the fun and speed it can dish out in corners which matters.). RRs would be then FFs when going forward so its handling is likewise.
Here's an extra Tip: ALWAYS RESIST THE URGE TO GIVE IT OPPOSITE LOCK when the car starts to spin. After the rear has slid more than the point of no return, which is only a little more than normal steering angle, any opposite will not only NOT save you, but it would make you spin faster. Do a proper 180, drive forward, and do a 180 to reverse again.
FWDs handles like RWDs with no steering up front and soap as tyres in the back. The above guide does not apply. The sets are so dangerous and suicidal that i am not bothering to write a guide for it here, not because i am lazy (acutally i am :tilt but it's that no one is gonna make a set for FWDs anyway........
Hope this tutorial guide can help. Cheers
Black Rock Shooter
Tutorial 2: How to control the car
Now, as the car is now rolling backwards, any steering input would be reflected in an opposite and magnified way. This is due to that the inertia of the rear end of the car would focus on the rear wheels. In normal cases (going forward), the weight transfer to the rear is good as you have the front wheels dragging the car to change direction, resulting in a better steering stability. When reversing, the extra load on the rear steering wheels could easily overcome the tyre's grip and the car will experience oversteer.
Car Dynamics: (Warning, the following guide is only applicable to RWDs ONLY. FWDs are a totally different matter)
To control the car, besides steering left to go right, ANY STEERING HAS TO BE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. Any excessive lock would cause your car to spin. One common problem with any reversing sets (at least with mine) is that it would start to understeer a little half way through the corner (e.g. devil's corner/drifter's corner in TC Montana). You can cure this by giving it more lock PROGRESSIVELY or indeed give it more gas (usually what i do to catapult out of a corner) to transfer more weight for more grip. Not every situation can be countered by this technique but with the right speed, there shouldn't be the need to apply for brakes mid-way through a corner.
When offroading (etc grass/sand), pay extra attention to the difference of grip between tarmac and grass, it can greatly steer the car when accelerating. Give it a lot more lock when cornering on grass.
Pay attention to the engine layout of the chosen car for reversing. FRs have their engines up front so it is easier for them to overcome rear grip. MRs have quite perfect for the job, the RAC being most used by Mr. P and god he's quick through the corners ( we both agreed after so many races and cruises : top speed is not important. It's the fun and speed it can dish out in corners which matters.). RRs would be then FFs when going forward so its handling is likewise.
Here's an extra Tip: ALWAYS RESIST THE URGE TO GIVE IT OPPOSITE LOCK when the car starts to spin. After the rear has slid more than the point of no return, which is only a little more than normal steering angle, any opposite will not only NOT save you, but it would make you spin faster. Do a proper 180, drive forward, and do a 180 to reverse again.
FWDs handles like RWDs with no steering up front and soap as tyres in the back. The above guide does not apply. The sets are so dangerous and suicidal that i am not bothering to write a guide for it here, not because i am lazy (acutally i am :tilt
but it's that no one is gonna make a set for FWDs anyway........Hope this tutorial guide can help. Cheers
Black Rock Shooter
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hmmm, you should check that word out yourself. I fully understand the meaning of the word "option". Thank you.
Why disable an option when somebody might actually need it?
I am gonna try xfire........quite busy lately, and i don't know how to sub the vids, so i think i am just gonna make a tutorial of how to start the car first.........and post a lap of me driving flat out in reverse..........
I need more time >.<
I need more time >.<
I am a mouse user and i have to say i am absolutely against banning auto-clutch in servers. Come on, if you want to show off or train your shifting skills KEEP THAT TO YOURSELF. We may not have the money to get the wheels or shifters, some of us may only have a laptop or a desktop. Being unable to afford a wheel doesn't mean we lose our rights to play in our favourite servers, and that is because if suddenly all server owners decided one day "aha! banning auto-clutch is a good idea!" , it would be unfair to us since we would have nowhere else to play. The autoclutch system is there for a reason. They are for beginners, those who start to race with this kind of aid and as well as ABS, it is then they become more professional and disable the aids THEMSELVES........
LEAVE AUTO-CLUTCH ALONE AND LEAVE US ALONE.
Thank you and have a nice day
LEAVE AUTO-CLUTCH ALONE AND LEAVE US ALONE.
Thank you and have a nice day
yeah, exactly like logitekg25 had said.......just get some speed, and then pull the handbrake until you did a 180 and in reverse.......remember to straighten the steering at the moment your car is backwards, else it would just do a 360..........oh, and remember to turn off clutch help......that wears out the clutch in seconds........I am mouse user myself so i had to use "C" and clutch it myself, though when i say clutch, i mean kick.........you know when ppl failed to clutch properly and the car leaps forward? that's how i start (*].[*)
I am considering putting a tutorial here..........how do i record a video in LFS?
I am considering putting a tutorial here..........how do i record a video in LFS?
Just for your information, ABS in LFS does work both ways.........I am a Reverse driver and
yes i DO RACE/drive in reverse. That said, the system needs refining. Say i was travelling down a straight in reverse in a FZ5 at 220kmh..........i saw a car pull out from the grass and i swerved to avoid him. When it's time to brake, the car 's steering/body dynamics (i mean by body roll etc) not straight.......the rear wheels can start to lock, but the left/right wheels take turns to lock so the car seems to be wavering.......definitely need refining this system.
yes i DO RACE/drive in reverse. That said, the system needs refining. Say i was travelling down a straight in reverse in a FZ5 at 220kmh..........i saw a car pull out from the grass and i swerved to avoid him. When it's time to brake, the car 's steering/body dynamics (i mean by body roll etc) not straight.......the rear wheels can start to lock, but the left/right wheels take turns to lock so the car seems to be wavering.......definitely need refining this system.
That's also an idea, but when you have rozzers hot on your tail you simply won't have enough time to type the command before you get pitted to the barriers and LFS physics will then work their magic..........
One advantage of using the look back button is that you can always see what the rozzer is going to do or where he is..........one major disadvantage is when you let of of the button, you could accidentally steer the wrong way........
Update : Logitekg25's sets are quite good, though i am not quite used to the way his sets handle. XRT is really good, FZ5 is also good, but can be better.......but i noticed their acceleration is so much better than mine.........guess i compromised for better top speed.
One advantage of using the look back button is that you can always see what the rozzer is going to do or where he is..........one major disadvantage is when you let of of the button, you could accidentally steer the wrong way........
Update : Logitekg25's sets are quite good, though i am not quite used to the way his sets handle. XRT is really good, FZ5 is also good, but can be better.......but i noticed their acceleration is so much better than mine.........guess i compromised for better top speed.
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It's 1:04pm local time and i am in Montana trying out your sets logitekg25
Well for reversing view i use the wheel mode and press R and go.........at first i use the 3rd person view and wait for it to look from the front of the car to the back, but later i found out it's hard to determine the actual slide angle (or generally speaking how the car is/is going to behave).
The mirrors are too small and you can't really see the lines or obstables fast enough, and that is dangerous in cruising servers with those barriers.
I have to admit it is very hard to get used to steering the car left by steering right (o_O) but once you get used to it, you will find that you can outrun police either way, and PIT movements are no longer a threat.
gonna try out logitekg25's sets........can't wait XD (I am not free now
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The mirrors are too small and you can't really see the lines or obstables fast enough, and that is dangerous in cruising servers with those barriers.
I have to admit it is very hard to get used to steering the car left by steering right (o_O) but once you get used to it, you will find that you can outrun police either way, and PIT movements are no longer a threat.
gonna try out logitekg25's sets........can't wait XD (I am not free now
)that's a great idea.......most people think reverse driving is for the odd, but they are wrong. They are for the bored (at least for me) or those who wanted to hone their driving skills.........let's make this official....
My LFS username is my username here : Neoman15M
Look for any of these names : 1. Saito-Reverse Cruising or 2. Mitsubishi Zero A6M8 or 3. Black ★ Rock Shooter.......that would be me
The best Reverse i have ever met so far is a Mr. P but i won't disclose his full name here in case he doesn't want to be disclosed. The only person who can go flat out, holding all the lines, not crashing and still going very fast all the way around any track......hats off to him.....in fact i started reverse cruising after i saw him completely own me........
Look for any of these names : 1. Saito-Reverse Cruising or 2. Mitsubishi Zero A6M8 or 3. Black ★ Rock Shooter.......that would be me
The best Reverse i have ever met so far is a Mr. P but i won't disclose his full name here in case he doesn't want to be disclosed. The only person who can go flat out, holding all the lines, not crashing and still going very fast all the way around any track......hats off to him.....in fact i started reverse cruising after i saw him completely own me........
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when i did a set for RB4 i was having balance in mind too, but i was wrong........it's quite blunted and the central diff just make things worse......i can save the cars from spinning with other 2WDs but none of that is gonna happen on a 4WD...........
LOL at your max speed attempt......I think i once saw a youtube vid on a BF1 with 120000mph? (i forgot how many Zeros)
I suggest if anybody out there watching this thread and want to have a go themselves, start with a XRG.......easy to control, hone the skills, then progress to faster cars.........uf1 is good too, partly because it has the least power but also its handling has improved DRAMATICALLY when driving backwards, and i am not joking.....
LOL at your max speed attempt......I think i once saw a youtube vid on a BF1 with 120000mph? (i forgot how many Zeros)
I suggest if anybody out there watching this thread and want to have a go themselves, start with a XRG.......easy to control, hone the skills, then progress to faster cars.........uf1 is good too, partly because it has the least power but also its handling has improved DRAMATICALLY when driving backwards, and i am not joking.....
I didn't make a reverse set for FXR because 4WD aren't the best drivetrain to use in reverse driving........the 4WD system would seriously wear down the performance and cornering is not exactly as sharp as the other 2WDs.............i think your set with nearly 120mph is already a very high speed for the FXR, good work
You need very precise and minimum steering to keep it straight, but drivetrain does have a big effect on the handling........that's why FXO is so exciting XD.......all my reverse sets have their brakes tuned for stopping in reverse too so they are quite useless stopping forward...
Race anytime?
You need very precise and minimum steering to keep it straight, but drivetrain does have a big effect on the handling........that's why FXO is so exciting XD.......all my reverse sets have their brakes tuned for stopping in reverse too so they are quite useless stopping forward...
Race anytime?
It would be a pleasure to drive with you. See you soon. I am currently more seen as Black ★Rock Shooter in an all Black FZ5.......
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There are quite a few ppl out there who can reverse and outrun TBOs out there.........and I'd say i would love to meet them someday......
It's a pity reverse driving is not welcomed by everybody......you see, if you drive in reverse, it's certain you are slower than you can go, and accidents (oversteer>spin) will certainly piss people off........that's why i cannot reverse everywhere........
Anyway sorry for off topic........while we are on the subject, let's talk about the top speed.......All speed record is not one-off-crash-after records.....it includes braking to safely corner a bend.
My top speeds on different cars on TC Montana H1 Southbound are:
UF1: 135kmh+
XFG: 140-150kmh (can't remember)
XRG: 160+ kmh
LX4: Forgot, pending update
LX6: 180+ kmh (not sure, pending update)
RB4: 180+ kmh (not sure, pending update)
XRT: 200+ kmh (also have dedicated set for ovals, speed a little more than that)
FXO: 200+kmh
RAC: 200+kmh
FZ5: 235+kmh
XFR: 200+kmh (not sure, pending update)
FZR: 240+kmh (more than that, can't remember)
I am probably the only Reverser who made sets for UF1, XFG, LX4&6, XRT, FXO and XFR.........particularly for FWDs because they become RWD in reverse and they are a nightmare and fairy tale at the same time to drive.
It's a pity reverse driving is not welcomed by everybody......you see, if you drive in reverse, it's certain you are slower than you can go, and accidents (oversteer>spin) will certainly piss people off........that's why i cannot reverse everywhere........
Anyway sorry for off topic........while we are on the subject, let's talk about the top speed.......All speed record is not one-off-crash-after records.....it includes braking to safely corner a bend.
My top speeds on different cars on TC Montana H1 Southbound are:
UF1: 135kmh+
XFG: 140-150kmh (can't remember)
XRG: 160+ kmh
LX4: Forgot, pending update
LX6: 180+ kmh (not sure, pending update)
RB4: 180+ kmh (not sure, pending update)
XRT: 200+ kmh (also have dedicated set for ovals, speed a little more than that)
FXO: 200+kmh
RAC: 200+kmh
FZ5: 235+kmh
XFR: 200+kmh (not sure, pending update)
FZR: 240+kmh (more than that, can't remember)
I am probably the only Reverser who made sets for UF1, XFG, LX4&6, XRT, FXO and XFR.........particularly for FWDs because they become RWD in reverse and they are a nightmare and fairy tale at the same time to drive.
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