Given the limited setup options, hardcoding the curve looked like a viable solution to me. Certainly far from being the cleanest, most elegant one - but it would still make the VWS closer to the real thing without the need for more changes.
So if you go with a constant stiffness spring, how do you choose its value?
BTW if the VAG guy didn't hand out spring information (shame on them), I'd take a look at the Golf GTI springs, the car has been out for some time, shares a lot of components with the Scirocco, and thus is reasonably similar. If you get ahold of a couple springs, it shouldn't be too hard to extract a realistic looking curve.
So if you go with a constant stiffness spring, how do you choose its value?
BTW if the VAG guy didn't hand out spring information (shame on them), I'd take a look at the Golf GTI springs, the car has been out for some time, shares a lot of components with the Scirocco, and thus is reasonably similar. If you get ahold of a couple springs, it shouldn't be too hard to extract a realistic looking curve.
be careful what you wish for
What's the trouble with implementing progressive springs?
Sounds interesting will give it a spin later 
Well it may be. And when you say overused I think you also mean misused. The term whiner, however, has seen much more overuse and misuse, surely in the many threads about the VWS.
We all love LFS otherwise we wouldn't bother talking about it for the most part. BTW is this someone's second account you're posting from?
Finally some interesting discussion has sprung up 
Just a quick remark:
There's no such a thing as 'moaning constructively' - the fact that you used this expression is quite revealing of the upside-down-yness which affects some users' views on this matter.
Lumping true whiners together with legitimate discussions is a quick way to discredit every meaningful exchange of ideas may have actually the chance of happening - so those can be replaced with endless repetition of the community dogmas and mantras, and if you do not agree with those, welcome sir this is your moaner badge.
It's the fanboys' kingdom on earth. All you can end up with in such a situation, is a community and a game only fanboys want to be part of.
Just a quick remark:There's no such a thing as 'moaning constructively' - the fact that you used this expression is quite revealing of the upside-down-yness which affects some users' views on this matter.
Lumping true whiners together with legitimate discussions is a quick way to discredit every meaningful exchange of ideas may have actually the chance of happening - so those can be replaced with endless repetition of the community dogmas and mantras, and if you do not agree with those, welcome sir this is your moaner badge.
It's the fanboys' kingdom on earth. All you can end up with in such a situation, is a community and a game only fanboys want to be part of.
Nevermind, guess I should have expressed myself better in the first place rather than just drop a quick line.
Since aobrien posted a few hours after my PM, and you haven't replied to it anyway - I thought appropriate to make sure I had quitted properly. No need to take things personally 
I've signed out of the league yesterday at 17.50 BST with a PM to Wilko, please remove me from the list, thank you.
I never said that.
There is. You seem to assume I was talking in absolute terms which would obviously be foolish. No amount of money will make driving the BF1 in LFS the same thing as driving the real thing, there's no question about that.
However, any driver can choose how realistic he/she wants his/her experience to be. I read e.g. many other sims offer a lot of driving aids that make driving some beasts (like an F1) a trivial task. LFS has chosen to cut on aids, but still it has several and many other features that are effectively used to make driving easier. Competitiveness will do the rest and push players to use all the tricks because 'everybody else do' and nobody wants to play a game which is unfair only to him/her.
LFS, and all the other sims that strive to be as realistic as they could possibly be, should do everything to prevent use of those tricks, just as they try to make impossible for drivers to take shortcuts in a race.
E.g. make sure the driver can't reduce the lock or turn off FFB, use chase view, resort to macro clutch, or use sequential instead of a H-shifter+clutch, altering brake force, whatever... without incurring in some well-thought out penalty.
Of course nobody should prevent the players from using the settings they like the most, we also have to accomodate for different controllers and control methods - but whoever chooses the easy way, at the same time loses the right to play on a level field with those who don't - because by using those very same aids/tricks/shortcuts etc, the player effectively shifts the odds in his/her favor, and the penalties are needed to make the field level again.
If a sim doesn't fight the exploitation of driving aids, tricks, shortcuts etc, most players will bend instead of break, effectively turning the sim into a joke, far less fun, meaningful and honest than an arcade.
If you look at it this way, it's very understandable that some people refuse to buy or use a wheel. Why pretend it's realistic when everybody else play it like it was the snob version of NFS?
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Maybe I'm seeing too much in this line, but I'm going to reply anyway hoping we can have a meaningful discussion
You're saying a different thing, the idea behind my other posts is in LFS you can put an insane load on the outside wheel and still have the tyre generate a lateral force which is correspondingly insanely high (while you would expect lateral force to fall after a certain load is exceeded)
As a consequence, if the outside wheel has torrents of grip
then you can step on the throttle and make the inside 'spin' (sorry Bob ) while still cornering. IRL the car would just understeer away.That's my understanding of it
Who said it's impossible to get the inside wheel to lose grip under specific conditions? an open diff is an open diff is an open diff.
The question is, are the cars in LFS doing it more so than it should happen?
The reply I give myself is, most probably yes, and the flaws in load sensitivity in LFS (and maybe others I don't know about) could be the reason.
That there are flaws in LFS is blatantly obvious, otherwise you wouldn't have WRs made on a locked diff.
The question is, are the cars in LFS doing it more so than it should happen?
The reply I give myself is, most probably yes, and the flaws in load sensitivity in LFS (and maybe others I don't know about) could be the reason.
That there are flaws in LFS is blatantly obvious, otherwise you wouldn't have WRs made on a locked diff.
Meh.
Those who get labeled as fanboys are the people using the community mantras (some of them are in that infamous bingo pic) in the attempt to win an argument against someone they like to call a whiner. They're not doing any service to anyone, just pleasing themselves.
Those who say Scawen ruined their christmas shouldn't be payed too much attention. Just like the post count crowd who comes here to share insightful thoughts along the lines of 'zOMG how come this thread is still open?!?', 'STFU you moaners'
The rest of the LFS community (some are posting here, some are not) is in between, patiently waiting, speculating, wondering, thinking etc...
On the contrary it's quite interesting. You can learn a lot about the people who dwell on these boards. Also makes for quick additions to the ignore list
Waltz with Bashir, I can't really say how truthful or how much propaganda there's in it, nonetheless it offers an interesting graphic style, a nice plot and BTW every attempt to show the holocaust wasn't just one is more than welcome.
Perfectly reasonable people can be led into believing to things that afterwards can only sound ridiculous. It's just psychology, can't change the minds of men.
But exactly because it's possible to do that and there could be people who may have an interest in doing so for the sake of hurting LFS' public image or make fun of the community, it means rumors should be properly dealt with, instead of left out there to thrive and multiplicate.
But exactly because it's possible to do that and there could be people who may have an interest in doing so for the sake of hurting LFS' public image or make fun of the community, it means rumors should be properly dealt with, instead of left out there to thrive and multiplicate.
It shouldn't be too hard to automate in a spreadsheet
but how many really care anyway?The leaders are already getting their points calculated, the backmarkers... I'm getting thrown out once a race on average, final position has as much meaning as the numbers in bingo.
FWIW they can remove my name altogether, just in case there's someone behind me and that will make him happier.
If you move the mouse away, you should get your display back as soon as the time slider disappears.
You'll be replied it works the other way round
They said work is ongoing, so we should assume work is still ongoing. But if you discount the chance of another 'moving house' post with <cough> unpredictable delays <cough> then the next patch might be out tomorrow like it could be next xmas.
Let's just keep waiting for our VW badged Godot.
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