My personal skin.

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The car is a 1989 HCR32 Skyline GTS-t 4 door manual (converted from auto)

Car:
1989 Nissan HCR32
Skyline GTS-t 4 door Type-M

Performance:
RB20DET
T3 RB25 Turbo
Pnumatic Boost Controller
K&N Pod Filter
Front-Mounted Intercooler
Exhaust Control Valve
3" Dump Pipe with gutted cat
3" Custom Catback exhaust with
JunBL muffler and twin Flutes
Bosch 040 fuel pump
Excedy Heavy Duty Button Clutch
Remapped ECU
Power: 183rwkw at 12psi

Handling
Auto Strada Modena 3pce Wheels 17x8.5 and 17x9.5
Volk Racing GT-P Wheels 17x9 +16 all round
Work Wheels 17x9 +38
Volk Racing Wheels 17x9 +38 pair
Whiteline urethane adjustable Camber bushes
Whiteline adjustable 27/24 Sway Bars
ISC Adjustable Caster rods
Steering Spacers
Bilstein Adjustable Shock absorbers
KingSpring sports lows coils
Whiteline rear urethane subframe bushes
Hicas Lock Bar
Alignment: +6 caster, -1.5 R&F camber, R-toe in 2mm

Other
GTR front bar
Autometer semi-sweep electric Oil Pressure
Autometer mechanical Boost/Vaccum Gauge
Turbo Timer
Manual Conversion

Importing Process:
I imported through Prestige Motorsport
Car was bought for 360,000 yen
Brokers Fee $1,100
another $3,000 to get it into the country
$1,400 for compliance
and another roughly $1,000 to get it roadworthy

PICS





VIDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23WzkTHybJE

Last edited by nisskid, Sun 17 Feb 2008, 03:59.

Quote from Ikaponthus :

Drifting is not practical at all. It's forcing a car to do something it's not designed to do. Racing cars are designed to go fast around a track, they're not designed to slide sideways around a track.

cars that come from the factory arnt designed to be pushed to the speeds they are with racing either, that is why you change them and make them go fast, drift cars get modified and tuned so that they are designed to go sideways, they arnt simply race cars that get drifted.

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Quote from JeffR :

My main issue with drifting is that typical compeitions, like F1GP (Japan) or Formula D (USA) consist of only 3 or 4 turns and then the run is over. But then again, I sometimes watch drag racing where there are zero turns (at least not on purpose).

and? when u go to see racing u only see 1 or 2 turns max from where ur sitting, these drifters get judged on these corners meaning they go full blown on these corners so for the spectators they get maximum entertainment.

Quote from deggis :

He only had 1 start in F1, but in sports cars he was more succesful, driving in World Sportscar Championship many years and in 1990 Le Mans he achieved his best result being 3rd. So this classifies him a sports car driver, not F1 driver. Not nitpicking, just a history lesson.

Here's nice video btw:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBI37-TL1M8

yeh i was aware of that, i just didn't really think anyone would care haha

EDIT: just had a watch of the vid, nice vid.

Last edited by nisskid, Sat 16 Feb 2008, 05:40.

Quote from mrodgers :

Wonderful example of the mentality of the "majority" drifting community. I say that all videos do is show how a car is capable of sliding and shows nothing about how difficult it is to drift.

From that simple statement, it becomes that I don't know how hard it is because I've never done it, I talk shit about it, and I've been challenged to go against the top LFS drifters. It seems that I also think that I'm an awesome racer because I make a comment about people showing videos of cars sliding to prove how difficult it is to drift.

In reality, what I am truly failing at is, following the logic of the statement I just quoted up there which is a response to the fact that videos don't show the difficulty of drifting.

it was a general statement to anyone that questions how hard drift is, it only relates to you if you share that opinion. how you interpreted my post is up to you, but that wasn't my intention.

its hard for someone such as myself to swallow all the cocky bs surrounded by people who sit on their computers, race in a game and think they are somehow superior. drifters may have a following from a lot of people that share a very immature attitude, but at the same time you have to understand there is as significant proportion of racers which hold this cocky attitude where they think they are superior.

Some of the D1 drifters have been drifting and racing for many decades, just like I'm sure with someone in tuned with racing, who can notice subtle differences in technique and can tell the difference between a good driver and a not so great driver, same with drift, just because all you see is smoke and angle doesn't mean thats all there is to it. it is quite simple, if you do not properly see the skill involved in drifting then you are most likely simply not in tune with what it takes to drift and you will never truly appreciate the sport until you pull your heads out of the clouds and make the effort to truly understand the difficulty and art of drifting.

and yes, to anyone that shares this opinion that drift is easy, i would challenge them to try it, if they don't then what leg do they have to stand on to argue otherwise?

Quote from mrodgers :

I love how everyone is showing drift videos to show how "difficult" it is to drift. The only thing videos show is that cars can go sideways.

Plenty of race footage out there of racecars going sideways as well.

ah, not quite the same there mate, race car may get a bit of oversteer, but he doesnt hold it and link corners with it day in day out does he?

what do you want us to show to show how hard drift is? do u want me to show you how a Australian V8 supercar driver put a car into the wall the first time he tried drifting?

how about this, Tiff Needell, a formula one driver and someone who prides himself on his "drifts" during his show fifth gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCG0CjTvk4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TvSMbetO4U

for a world class driver who powerslides cars every day for his job, took him a lot of runs just to be able to put a run together on a pretty low speed course in a top setup drift car.

fact is, you wont know how hard it is until u do it, and until u do dont talk shit about it, how about we see how you go against some of the top LFS drifters? if its so easy and your such a awesome racer, then you shouldnt have any issues beating them.

lol @ NFS being realistic

why do people drift? quite simply because it's often more fun.

people get too caught up in the prestige of being fast and forget what going around a corner fast is about, its about adrenaline and having some fun, somthing which drift is able to acheive just as easily if not easier.

at this point i would like to point out that a lot of D1 drivers also race in the national Japanese racing class Super GT, so for those thinking drift doesnt require as much skill, well you are simply wrong.

if you think any old idiot can do things like these then your just plain old ignorant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8-NF7sXgEo

and this isnt restricted to top level competition, this is just a local competition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsTBEXlu_Fg

or even just a practise day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w4bqfGdFLg

or how about even just some locals in the hills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYqY2MNM54

i have done both in real life, and i definately have taken much more of a liking to drift, simply because of how fun it is and how you can gauge your improvements much easier.

Quote from Stang70Fastback :

What Atlantian is trying to say is that positive traction in adverse conditions is difficult to emulate safely. As a general rule, crossing the corner transversely is faster because inertial shift from right-to-left (or left-to-right depending on the corner) is limited to a minimal factor. This means the suspension does not have to work as hard and more grip can then be transferred in the forward direction (e.g. where the car is pointed.) By applying a modest amount of opposite lock, this technique is faster than the typical right-hand-slide approach. It is favored in rally because it saves wear and tear on the tires, the suspension, the drivetrain and even the driver, and also makes the car less likely to roll over, seeing as momentum is transferred between the for wheels based on body roll and terrain.
The result is really only maybe 2/10th of a second faster, but that adds up over the many corners in a rally stage. The Audi's, however, always had trouble perfecting this technique, because the weight distribution of the car, coupled with the slightly higher speeds they could achieve, meant that the car had a tendency to side-slip and rotate about the rear axle, making it all but impossible to execute the technique without hitting the bystanders or overshooting the apex and plowing off the road. The MR on the other hand was perfect for this method, and therefore was preferred by many rally drivers over the Audi.

At least, I THINK that's what he's trying to point out.

yeh, im just not sure how that affects what i was trying to say?

Quote from DHRammstein :

The granny shifting is a term that's been around a lot longer than those stupid movies, it simply means to shift slowly. The movies made no sense, you don't have to double clutch in modern sports cars.
Anyways if you've ever raced in a straight line, then you understand how slowly I was shifting, that's all I meant by it.

At the time, my car had the stock shifter, which didn't have syncro blocks in it, so banging the gears hard could seriously reduce the life of the tranny. Now I have a good shifter, and I can nail each gear as hard as I like.

Wow, I really hope you guys realize how much I hate those corny movies! I guess it only came up because of the word choice, vin diesel used those words in the movie, so I guess I had that coming.

actually double clutching can be important, but only really for downshifting under race conditions.

i liked the F&F movies, just leave ur brain at the door when u watch them, typical good action movie which u can laugh at. people get too caught up at the realism of the F&F movies as if all other action movies are realistic. take them for what they are and you'll enjoy them.

granny shifting, not double clutching like you should haha

to this day im still puzzled as to why u would double clutch changing up gears lol

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Quote from atlantian :

they just flick the tail out using feint(drift) to stop the car/fight understeer in a muddy enviroment to make it around the corner

kind of right, rally drivers use a drift technique to prevent understeer as u said, when you have a big track for circuit racing, you have plenty of space to apex, this means u can spread the tightness of the corner out as much as you can, and share the change of momentum out evenly.

the change of momentum is the main issue here, when you come into a corner you are carrying a lot of forwards momentum, to change this momentum you need a lot of force, this puts massive force on the front tyres, and often too much force, when you try to change the momentum to quickly you will see more force than the tyres can take, hence the tyres slipping. ideally you want to spread out this force of changing momentum across as much tyre as possible, hence wider tyres, AWD, using all 4 wheels to brake etc.

thing is, when you use just the front tyres to steer, you are putting a lot of force on them, especially when you dont have a full apex to spread the momentum, or a very grippy surface.

when you have a typical 2WD car and your trying to go around a corner, your front tyres are trying to lead the car around the corner and change the direction of the car, the rears are pushing the car straight line. When you drift it allows the rear tyres to point more against the momentum, so powering through means extra force to push against the momentum and towards the exit of the corner. this means it takes force of the front tyres and distributes the force of pushing against the momentum through all 4 tyres, rather than 2. This extra grip to push against the momentum means it can push through the corner and against the momentum faster.

In theory it sounds great, but refining the technique against the traditional race technique would be a lot harder. Rally is a lot different to Tarmac in this way, rally doesnt use as refined technique as well as having the issue of low grip surfaces a lot more prominent. This also applied to the tougue's etc, they wouldnt have proper apex's every corner, surfaces would vary in grip levels, and roads were very tight.

Last edited by nisskid, Fri 15 Feb 2008, 04:42.

Quote from The Radness :

I didn't know WRC was "drifting"

/sarcasm

id debate that, because i think when you look at the origins of drift, they comes from a similar source. drift was used for speed once upon a time in the hills of Japan, the physics of why they used the "drift technique" on the touge's was very similar to why it is used in rally. obviously it evolved to what it is today, but when u look at the term drifting, its hard to debate that what they do in some corners of rally isnt what you would call drifting sideways through a corner.

Quote from squidhead :

not only that, he also makes other people think that all drifters are idiots who don't know what they're doing

haha i think that issue goes well beyond just one person lol

Quote from atlantian :

nahh, SHOW drifting is all about skill, it's all about showmanship, it's not about efficiantcy. If the move is too easy, you're lucky if you even get a point... there are rodeo drifts, where you sit on the door still and do doughnuts like that... i don't think you are going to see that in WRC lol.

but as i say, the ebrake drift is too easy, unoriginal, too safe, too predictable. thus, you will not get any special remarks for it, clutch kicks are overused but it's still more sophistocated then ebrake initiations.

and someone here said that ebrake drifts are better because it doesn't "shift your line"... if you are going very fast through a corner, wouldn't you WANT to be pushed towards the apex and hope you don't grind your tail on the rail?

you have no idea what your talking about, please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

lol at granny shifting in the description, too much fast and the furious for you me thinks.

Quote from atlantian :

meh, i don't

ur a minority then.

where are u getting this information from and forming this opinion?

Quote from atlantian :

^ergo, i say that ebrakes are for people who are too afraid to do anything, it's too predictable

that was the most idiotic thing ive read.

Quote from WackoZacco :

This might help, im not sure if its accurate or whatever, but its worth a look at.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f= ... 8&iwloc=addr&om=0

omg i ****ing love you haha, didnt think to do something like that.

cheers

Quote from BigTime :

I'll agree that the hand brake is primarily a learning tool and should be used as little as possible... However, the hand brake is used quite often by great drivers. Keep in mind that lots of drivers use the hand brake but never lock the rear tires, so it's almost unnoticeable to the untrained eye.

no, its simply a different technique, just because a technique is not scored as high in a drift competition doesnt mean its primarily a "learning tool"

i personally learnt clutch kick entry before handbrake entry, probably because i learnt to drift on the street where you first learn to clutch kick mid corner, but i know most people ive talked to seem to start off similar.

handbrake is a lot more controlled, hence once u want to start going faster and harder using a handbrake feels more comfortable, for precision u can never really look past the handbrake due to its predictability.

the handbrake is a helpful tool whilst learning and pushing urself, but its not because its a amateur technique, its simply its characteristics suit trying new things and pushing urself due to its predictable and controllable nature.

Last edited by nisskid, Tue 12 Feb 2008, 05:42.