race length: 3+ hours
car classes: multiple classes
start procedure: rolling
full course yellows w/safety car: yes
car types: race
qualifying: timed session
car skins: team skins, series number plates
points system: every position gets some points

Car Classes:
GT-1 FXR, XXR, and FZR
GT-2 XF GTR and UF GTR
GT-3 RB4 GT and XR GT Turbo

Little chart of car comparisons from LFS World:

Last edited by nmanley, Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:03.

I'm for more classes too, but I don't see why they would need full server’s fields to have them a reality. We don't have a full server very often now.
But you know there was still a large field of drivers even though we were having the last race of 8. That says something for the field of competitor’s participation.

Are cars other than GTR's being considered? That could get very interesting.

Quote from Humbleridderen :

Love to see a race report from the 16 Moo team

Sheesh man that's cold!!! They were out on lap #1. I know how that feels. BAD!

Last edited by nmanley, Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:20.

I think the event "Race Reports" on this forum has worked very well and as long as it doesn't tie up a admin or marshal, too much, should be kept as is.

I have no doubt that the series will improve with experience and input by the competitors and the sometimes bitching about race incidents. If more than one person is fussing about a situation it's well worth the time to look into it and come to a decision. I can only compliment the involvement DWB and Benji has had with this series and they way they do make the effort to make the series better. Thank you all.

Quote from BigTime :

I personally feel we need to throw more safety cars for more incidents around the track. Take for instance in the event of a roll over. I think the full course yellow should be thrown immediately, just as it would in real life. After all it's called Sim-Racing, not play around and half way enforce real life rules... Besides if one of us can't properly run around the track with the rev limiter off under a safely period then I don't think that person is a high enough quality driver to run in league races. The rev limiters are necessary on a league racing format, but then again I don't think so. It really all depends who is driving at what time. I will for sure turn the rev limiter on from now on though.

Also I have a 3 lap buffer from the time I receive a penalty to the time I have to come in and serve it. Regardless of the reason thats a well known rule that all drivers can use at their on digression.

Continue investigating and have fun, see you on LOTA.

I agree with your assesment based on DWB's explination of why the series uses the Safety car.
Although if we could all start with our bumpers touching there would be no problem with limiter rulings.

That sounds good.

I very glad you read our board as I wanted all of those involved to know how I feel.
Can't speak for Stu but he was the one who worked and carried the team thru the year.

The professionalism of this series has for the most part been very good. Most decisions are made very well.

Remember LOTF is a team of older guys. Investigations are not something I do or take lightly.
The facts as Appie stated on our forum do not support Benji's reasoning for a safety car. BT's right rear looked worse than his Left front at the time of the incident.
BigTime enter the pits 2:07 after the start of his previous lap and he ran slower than he could have with the full course caution. 2:07 is 113% within the race lap average. Hardly a moving road block.

It is what it is and we do not expect a penalty for the safety car. No way to be fair about it anyway.

What we do not what is the safety car deployment to be a problem in the future. Maybe do away with it completely.

The safety car causes to much problems in real races with finishing orders but they are a necessary thing when peoples lives are at stake. We race a damn simulator. NO SAFETY CAR NEEDED!

Last edited by nmanley, Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:14.

Suggestions:

<Officials shall not be on a public voice chat (ventrilo, teamspeak, etc) with any race participants or teams.

<In race chatting thru LFS chat should be allowed with restrictions such as "caution#15 damaged moving to pits"
In other words no BS chatting. It's already been proven that you cannot see in car notices if there is a yellow or blue flag.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

BigTime was indeed off the limiter until the first few cars got onto the main straight. He did, however, engage the limiter prior to the green flag and stayed on it until the green flag was given.

OH yes ... he was on the limiter for all of 3 seconds before the green came out. The first 6 laps of BigTimes drive was both impressive (He is very fast) and saddening. Bumping the 25 car off the track in a sharp defensive maneuver (Lap 6) when he could have already entered the pits to serve his DT penalty. Maybe he was waiting for a Safety Car to come out for his DT.

Since the DT was not assested to the #23 for Quali chatting there is still a penalty due.
The only penalty for DT on the #23 car was for an in race chat on lap #4.

Last edited by nmanley, Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:30.

Complaint is on the 21 car in objections thread. Blue flag incident.

Quote from R.Kolz :

Going to be a movie maker:

Feel free to see my first one:

Title : "What´s the rush all about".

See attached file.

Damn good point. I see bumping of cars at every event due to trying to put heat in the tires and such. Everyone needs to give a lot more space to do this than there is being given.

The tires are warmed up in a lap or less at race speed.
How much is it worth to screw up your or someone elses event by stupid crap like this. GROW UP PEOPLE!

Quote :

Actually semi-looking into a g25, because one of my biggest complaints is the marshmallow pedals of my momo black. I have no problems controlling a real car and keeping it on edge throughout the entire corner, but there's just 0 tension in these pedals. Have problems feeling out how much I'm actually on the pedal without a decent bit of tension in it.

Drive in your socks, works for me on pedal feel. I do find it quite amazing that your so consistent with the stick. Arm pump must be heII!

Congratulations to all, good fun it was and look forward to the future.

Quote from BranislavS :

sorry STU for that after SC

Stu said no problem

Quote from BenjiMC :

Safety car for car 23, Punctured tyre in first corner.

Ok, Thank you.

That's very nice as he now has taken the lead of the race. How is it that you pop a tire and you get the advantage of making a slow lap and being up front 3 laps into the restart.

I and my team do not think a poped tire is cause for a safety car unless said car has CRASHED and is in the racing line.

See my point?

Last edited by nmanley, Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:46.

Benji, Can I ask what the safety car was for?

Little picture of Qualifying order.
http://www.pbase.com/nmanley/just_stuff

Last edited by nmanley, Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:47.

Thanks you for your efforts. Very nice program.

It may be me but I have not found how to zoom in on the track on this version yet. Any tips?

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

ALSO!

I'd like to ask the EER team to NOT lay on the horn for the entire race in subsequent rounds. That was excruciatingly annoying.

Thanks!

That was funny as heck when I heard that during the replay. I hope they figure out how that was on.

Quote from Franke :

At nmanley:

The problem is, sorry to say, not mainly the drivers fault, its the Safety Car drivers fault, HE should turn on Pit Limier at the last split and let the field catch up, if not correctly in line, HE should do ANOTHER LAP...

It has been the practice of the SC to have the field set their pit limiters and then advance to get back in the pits. It is the fields responsibility to keep their limiters on and maintain their speed AT the pit limiter. Many times someone in the field has slowed too much causing spacing in the field.
This pisses off the guys behind them.

DWB.... Read just the part of my post about the 95% and you'll see I'm saying that 95% of the calls were about the yellow pit lines. BTW .. the main reason the pit line rule came about was because of people crossing it coming OUT of the pit into the racing line.

The LFS sim does not penalize anyone for crossing the lines in a race or during a pit. Might be a good suggestion for the Dev's for the next upgrade.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

The yellow line rule is there for one reason only, and that rule is to keep drivers entering or exiting the pits from a) losing control and getting hit by cars on the racing line or b) joining the racing line at an inopportune time (i.e., the middle of the banked corner) and getting in the way of a car coming around at full speed.

The only problem with the rule, frankly, is with drivers not obeying it.

Agreed but... I'm ONLY talking about the crossing of it in case of damage attained to ones car PAST the ENTRY to the pit.

I practised the pit in and out enough to NOT make the mistake the entire time I drove to a NORMAL pit stop. I even had to do two pit entries to change drivers after a mix up on my part.

I understand Franke's issue with the Saftey Car periods but until every driver understands the procedure it will continue to be F'ed up. We saw way too many, this late in a series, that seem to not have a clue on how the saftey car works. "You can lead them to water but getting them to take a drink is another story".

I never did file an official protest as I feel it is just a racing incident but it too involved a SR car.
There were three of us maintaining pace together for several laps and I was the ham in the middle. I lifted several times to break the sandwich as it got tight several times, but one or the other would make a mistake and came back to me so I just held the middle line. The outside car "Unity" I believe, was maintaining his line smoothly but the same could not be said for the SR car. What I feared most finally happened when he punted me into the outside wall of turn 3. This brought on my DT penalty for going into the pits from my racing accident location to get my car repaired. HENCE the hopefully future ADOPTION of the crossing yellow Pit line rule change due to an accident.

My point is that some SR team drivers were very erratic driving this event. That may have been a direct result of bad car settings or practice in traffic as the 06 seemed more erratic than the 09 car. This is just an observation and not a gripe directly at an individual SR driver. :uglyhamme

I alway wonder why there is so much crying in NASCAR racing and now I really know. As EASY as this track is to drive we seemed to have had the most problems with officiating and other drivers. I think this series needs to leave the NASCAR type racing to another division of the Sim world.

The yellow line rule should have been looked at before this event started since the yellow line and pits encompasses 1/3 of the total track distance. This one item cause 95% of the race problems for the officiating.
What should have been a very enjoyable drive for all was ruined by these penalties alone.

Last edited by nmanley, Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:21.

Quote from BenjiMC :

I'm sorry you feel that way but the rules are written in that way and if i am lenient on you then there will be accusations of it by other teams and the credibility of the league falls. Your team is not the only team to of received a penalty for this.

Thanks for the concern and I agree it has to be the same for all, and I saw others that regularly crossed the line and received the penalty. So it is what it is.

Now lets talk about the penalties for crossing the pit entry/exit line in the qualifier. Those penalties (and all others in quali) should have been levied to qualifying positions ONLY not a DT in the RACE. A DT is a 1.5 lap penalty when everyone else is at speed on this track. Not really very just for the offense.

BTW .. I had a very enjoyable drive at the end of my stint with the Moo racing driver and several others that were safe to be around.

While it was very different and interesting to race this track with these cars it was not very fun to not have a chance in hell of beating a FZR with the FXR. I guess there is a possibility of crashes making that happen but not very realistic.

Last edited by nmanley, Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:01.

Quote from BenjiMC :

Yes 19 did crash and then pit however the rules clearly state under all circumstances. What 19 could of done is another lap. That way would not of gotten a penalty.

I did not crash I was CRASHED into by the famous 06 car.
Your response is the kind of attitude that will get nothing but people tired of racing this series!
I'm suppose to limp around and possibly take out a car that does not deserve to get taken out because of some BULL Shit that you can't think through. Thank you very much.