Quote from sermilan :

...but some of them helped you build "the most technically advanced" society, such as Nikola Tesla, a Serb from Croatia who worked for Edison and very much enabled us to have such a chat today, half a world away , so don't rush in labeling "the enemies" of your society.

No, no, no and no. You're doing it wrong. Tesla was from Europe and he had white skin, so he's a good guy, see how it works?

Quote from flymike91 :

Again, simplifying everything I say to its lowest denominator, treating everyone but you as if they have no valid ideas or beliefs. America's fear is not of 'brown people' its a chipping away at our European culture and tradititions and replacing them with a menagerie of foreign minority cultures, many of which have a deep seated hatred of the west, and none of which benefited from the age of Enlightenment that created the most technically advanced, safest and most free society in the world.

The persecution complex is strong with this one. Also, racism.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

I think that's the only response needed.

EDIT: but anyway, this has nothing to do with Norway or the events there.

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Quote from flymike91 :

Wolf if you want to talk about multiculturalism I could make a thread about it. I think its worthy of discussion as its success or failure will most likely define the 21st century and all.

please don't... I prefer my palm not continuously battering my forehead as I read what you write.

Quote from Hyperactive :

I will never understand photojournalism if showing pictures of people bleeding is it. Or pictures of kids lying dead under blanket with their feet showing.

The last thing I want is to see picture myself covered in blood in cover of some "newspaper" after bomb going off near me. Or pictures of my wounded kid.

then don't look at pictures of bombings. Photojournalism tells a story through images, you can't really tell the story of a bombing or a massacre without pictures of dead and wounded people.

The pictures aren't mocking what happened in any way, they are highlighting what a terrible event it was.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Things are only as complicated as you make them. She's famous, so support will be there. Her enviroment can change at anytime, and if she really felt it was a problem then she could change it.

Sucks that she is gone, don't get me wrong, but an addiction isn't an excuse, just a cause of death.

I guess that's where we disagree then, I think it was probably harder for her to get support since she was famous. At least the type of support she needed. Money and fame doesn't buy supportive friends that can be trusted. It can easily, however, spawn attention-whoring individuals who are enablers as 'friends'. Now it was probably easier for her to pay for an extensive rehab program, but that didn't happen or didn't work. And being constantly under the public eye can cause more mental issues that compound the problem. I wish it worked the way you say, I really do. And it does, sometimes, for some people. But my experiences in life tell me something different.

indeed. I view her death very matter-of-factly. She had a very destructive lifestyle, she died. Very predictable, and she knew it.

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Quote from PMD9409 :

Tell that to my cousin, his fiancee, and our best friend. All of which were into it for 3 years and ended promptly simultaneously. The key is to not be narrow or weak minded.

If someone is just going to sit there and think they can't do it, then they are no different than a coke head or a pill popper. People create the addiction in their own head. I can relate as when I broke my back I got into some heavy heavy pain killers. At the same time though the it is all in your brain. If you lose control of that then it is only your own problem. That seems to be the reason people show no sympathy, same with the Ryan Dunn situation. They brought it upon themselves, people do it everyday.

I don't know all of their particular story, but good for them. It may have been easier for them than someone trying to quit alone, because they had eachother to lean on for support. My impression of famous musicians, however, is that they are surrounded by enablers who don't do anything to help out the individual. Or worse, actively drag them back into addiction. I think that's true of her, even if I only know a little bit of her personal life.

I'm not saying that will has nothing to do with quitting, in fact I agree that it is a very important part. There are so many other variables though, including support, surrounding environment, any other mental issues a person may have, frequency, mode, and length of use, reasons for using in the first place, blah blah blah... It's not always so simple as just being able to quit if you have other mental issues that prevent you from being as strong and clear minded as your cousin and friends evidently were. Mental issues and drug addiction tend to feed off eachother and drive a downward spiral that is tough to right.

Quote from PMD9409 :

That means nothing. A brain, heart, and will is what gets you away from them, no matter how famous you are or how much money you have.

This is no different

Well, it all depends on exactly what substance we are talking about. Weed, yes, you are pretty much right. Meth, there is not much hope at all, no matter how much you want it.

I can't claim to know the particulars of her addictions, but it's obvious she was a heavy user with some serious issues, so I don't think it was quite that cut and dried for her.

Quote from UncleBenny :

That's why all summer vacations should be scheduled around races.

I'm going to Pocono in two weeks and then Watkins Glen the week after, can't believe I haven't been to a race since Daytona.

Well I agree. Unfortunately the rest of my family doesn't

Quote from Juzaa :

All you can look for seeing ''true skill' are race victories and championship victories.

don't forget performance vs. teammate... rather obvious category by which drivers are ranked.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Seems like she had one, which were the drugs. You are right in saying that many of us have tried some things, some more than others. Some people get addicted.

A very narrow minded person is the type to stay addicted, as their mind just sticks on the fact they need to pop the pills, or find a joint..

It should be noted that some drugs actively addict you as opposed to the person just having an addictive personality. Still, you should know that before you ever try them and get hooked...

Whatever her story was, she was badly addicted to all sorts of things, that much is pretty clear. Sad story, but everyone saw this end coming I think.

Just drove past Dover yesterday
yayyyyy vacation, driving past tracks, but having to miss all the actual racing action for two weeks...

I expect Massa to be 100% behind this idea

Quote from Intrepid :

when we go leccy or similar

the **** does this mean? is that short for electric?

haha yeah I can't... no monies don't really know what we're talking about, sorry

I just saw that exchange and it reminded me of my convoluted family tree.

all I'll say is that the inbred side of my family is the Scottish side

not trolololol

that green porsche (#1 in second set) is now my desktop background

great pictures all around

... And this thread has officially turned from "Coolest racing car liveries" to "Post pictures of racing cars"

Quote from hyntty :

I thought that name belonged to a woman?

it's either.

Trevor Bayne

I mean... it is Montoya.

just some run of the mill word spreading to various places I think might be interested.

I hopefully just gave you a small boost

voted racing incident... Rouse didn't use all the track on the outside, Hoy didn't lift a bit and use it all on the inside, 2 cars can't fit in the middle of the track, that's just physics. Equal blame

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

http://ircpics.com/?p=showpix&showpix=163725

lol

Hi I'm Ryan Dunn... and this is high speed night driving!

I won't add in drunk driving because that's just speculation - no proof.