Realistically: Hamilton

Who I'd prefer: Webber

Who deserves it: Kubica - the only driver this season who has consistently, almost without error, driven his car to its maximum potential.

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Quote from TexasLTU :

T1 uphill? Osterreichring anyone?

I was thinking of A1 Ring, actually.

It looks like an interesting track. Maybe we should all reserve our judgement until the track is built and sees some racing.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

http://www.motorsport.com/news ... e.asp?ID=384468&FS=F1

Liuzzi, Kobayashi appear set to retain their seats for 2011. Heidfeld maybe in at Sauber?

Heidfeld would be a very good choice for Sauber... if they can afford him. Major sponsorship seems to be sadly absent at Sauber.

Quote from JPeace :

Anybody know why Rubans had the star of david on the top of his helmet at the last grand prix?

Q. (Boaz Korpel – The Sports Channel, Israel) Rubens, everybody is wondering about the symbol on the top of your helmet which looks like the Star of David. You have a big community of fans in Israel, so can you solve this question for us about this symbol on the top of your helmet?

RB: The star first started with someone telling me that I should have something on the top. That happened in 1995, someone came to me and said 'someone in the sky is looking at you' and for me, I felt something good about it, and I put a star there, which you could call anything, but it's just a star. It was a five pointed star. After that, I made some changes because my energy comes from a six pointed star, not a five pointed star, and people aren't just associating that to the Jewish community. It is the Star of David but if you study everything worldwide it doesn't link straight to the Jewish community. I'm Catholic but it doesn't mean anything, it's just the fact that I'm a spiritualist and I believe in any points of goodwill. I basically had one thing for the start of my career in '93, '94, '95 and now it's just the energy from the six pointed star.

My Google Fu is strong.

A young Mark Webber in action in the Australian Formula Ford championship against the future V8 Supercars drivers Jason Bargwana and Jason Bright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkBtK3aFwvs

More recent Formula Ford action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZX63o64mo

JGTC is too strong in Japan. They used to have a touring car championship, but the manufacturers all moved to JGTC.

Perhaps a performance-ballast limited production car championship might work OK.

Quote from Senninha25 :

I wonder what Alonso and Button thought when they had to deal with Koba in their mirrors.

Alonso would have had a flashback of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRJwZu5Qqio

Button:

Quote from Ferroc :

Maybe I didn't get the real idea of your post, or my sarcasm detector is broken...

He is saying that Communism as an ideology doesn't kill people. Instead, people use their political power for murder, etc., while using Communism as a veil.

It's much like how extremist militant Muslim clerics use Islam to further their political agenda and drive their followers into terrorism.

I agree with him so far as to say Communism as an ideology doesn't advocate violence. But you have to remember that Communism actually describes an end-state of society, which has to undergo various stages of development before reaching Communism itself. Unfortunately some of those stages advocate draconian ideas similar to some portions of Fascism, and that's where Communism fails.

Quote from JCTK :

As for Kobayashi, his job wasn't made toooooooo hard from 23rd after all. He did incredibly in the first lap to pass those 7 cars, then he didn't have to pass any (other then when a Toro Rosso ran wide) and still finished 9th, thanks to the chaos at the pitlane...

Kobayashi actually overtook Liuzzi on lap 4, so he still pulled off a pass after the first lap display of ownage.

Bianchi and Tung crash during the GP2 event at Hungary. Broken vertebrae for Bianchi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCk_E1L6C5g

Good qualifying.

Hulkenberg
Petrov
RBR
Ferrari
Lotus fuel

Quote from dungbeetle :

It would be interesting to see if the Red Bull front wing could pass a flexion test.

Movement is clearly visible from both the on-board and track side cameras during practice.

The end plates bend down during acceleration and then pop up again under hard braking.

Clip from Silverstone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... p;feature=player_embedded

Presumably some flexibility is permitted, but is this too much?

They already passed the test during post-race scrutineering in Germany. There is no doubt that it is legal in accordance with the letter of the rules; the doubt is whether it is legal in accordance with the spirit. So far, both last season and this season with the double-deck diffuser and the f-duct, the FIA have tended to rule in favour of literal interpretation - ie. letter of the rules, rather than the spirit - so RBR and Ferrari should be quite safe.

Quote from Greboth :

I am not by any means suggesting that the front wing is illegal as someone would of noticed. However, I have noticed how much lower the red bull front wing seems to the ground than the other teams. From memory, i thought there was still the rule that the wing has to be so high off the ground or has this rule since been removed?

Rule 3.7.1

All bodywork situated forward of a point lying 330mm behind the front wheel centre line, and more than 250mm from the car centre line, must be no less than 75mm and no more than 275mm above the reference plane.

In other words, minimum clearance is 75mm, which is pretty small.

If you look at the higher-resolution photos, the Red Bull car featured in them have visibly lower suspension than the McLaren and Mercedes.

The evidence is poor at best.

It should be noted that the photographic evidence presented by rival teams were rejected by the FIA's technical team, and that the front wing passed the standard load test during post-race scrutineering. Unless there is a clarification of the rules, it's the same kind of situation as the F-Duct and DDD: cheeky interpretation of the rules, but still legal, and it is up to the rival teams to figure it out.

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

The problem is that people are taking the forecasts as they are, without doing any interpretation.

If the forecasts say that there is 60% chances of rain for the whole day in the closest city(which is a few tens of kilometers away most of the time), it doesn't mean there is 60% of rain on track between 13h45 and 15h45 local time.

In the end there's no way to know if the GP is gonna be on wet track or not before D day, or even H hour most of the time, as rain is so unpredictable.

+1

I put the weather forecast in there just for a bit of hope.

The track is around 15-20km away from Budapeset, which is where the forecast is actually for. And as you said, 60% doesn't necessarily mean it will rain within the small window of time when the race is in progress!

The 2010 Hungarian Grand Prix approaches.

Last year, Felipe Massa suffered an almost-fatal accident here. Now he's back, and with a manipulated result at the previous round in Germany, he'll be out for revenge. Red Bull has lost its performance advantage to Ferrari, while McLaren will be unleashing a more refined blown-diffuser to close the performance gap to the Ferrari and Red Bull teams.

The tight circuit means overtaking will be difficult, and good low-speed handling will be crucial for optimum speed and tyre longevity.




Statistics

Race Date: 01 Aug 2010
Circuit Name: Hungaroring
Number of Laps: 70
Circuit Length: 4.381 km
Race Distance: 306.630 km
Lap Record: 1:19.071 - M Schumacher (2004)


Schedule (local time)

Practice 1: FRI 1000
Practice 2: FRI 1400
Practice 3: SAT 1100
Qualifying: SAT 1400
Race: SUN 1400


Last year's results

Pole position
Fernando Alonso 1:21.569

(Fastest Q2 by Mark Webber 1:20.358)

Fastest race lap
Mark Webber 1:21.931 on lap 65

Podium
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Kimi Räikkönen
3. Mark Webber

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Quote from AMB :

Ferrari are a bunch of nubz0rdz.

Red Bull hax0rz

McLaren = Schit car.

No, it was Ferrari who h4x0rz.

Quote from AtomAnt :

My good Friend of 15 years, took his life because his Mom of 80 years old died today.

He couldn't live without her.

Peace to you my friend.

Peace be to him and his mother.

There are few things more sad in this world than despair so deep that the will to live dies.

Epic battle between Vettel and Alonso. If they both manage to survive the first lap tomorrow, it will be an interesting race between them.

I expect Hamilton and Button will challenge for podium. Massa was good, but his race form is lacklustre. Webber will be a tough challenge and will be out for blood.

ROFL.

I am studying law... make of that what you will.

It's not the team, it's the media.

Quote from deggis :

"Has to have up to 6 cyls" - has this changed? IIRC can have up to 6 cyl.

Quote from zeugnimod :

"Has to have" means that it is a requirement, "can have" means that it is an option.

It's just poor wording. The two mean the same.

"Has to have" is negated by "up to".

"Has to have 6 cyls" = Must have only 6 cyls, no more and no less.

"Has to have up to 6 cyls" = Has to have cylinders, up to six.

The real technical regulations are probably better worded than the wiki article.

Ugh, Marko. Definitely needs to go, but not for those particular quotes. They look suspect, so I wouldn't read too much into them.

This pretty much gets to the point:

Quote from Helmut Marko :

"For us, it really does not matter who is champion, the main thing is that he is sitting in a Red Bull."

...which is exactly the way it should be.

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

Chandhock probably wouldn't have got into F1 without his nationality.

It wasn't his nationality. It was his sponsorship.

The biggest demographic group of rich F1 fans are white Europeans. Therefore white European drivers are better marketing objects than those who aren't. Sponsorship is mostly about marketability. It's not a nice observation, but it is just a reality in business.

What you have with Chandhok, Hamilton, Sato, etc., is a "model minority" phenomenon which made them more marketable than they would normally have been.

I really doubt any F1 rookie would give less than 100%.