Quote from Vain :

Just look at the diff and you know it's way off.
In that sense all LFS cars are unreal, but on the BF1 it's most apparent, because a real F1 car has a very sophisticated diff.
Oh, and our TC is way off too of course. I don't even have to mention aero.

Edit @ Testpatchthread:
I think Scawen knows very well that LFS is far away from being completed and that there is a long way to go. He is one of the persons who decide which way to go to 'LFS 1.0 final'. Of course other people will have different priorities along this way than Scawen does, and they will lay down their opinions and reasons for those. Why that is worth a 'this makes me sad'-post is beyond me!
Scawen wants to spend his time on InSim, I would have spent my time on differentials. No reason to go all .


Vain

this man knows whats going on
I wont even use clucth pack lsd's in lfs utter crap, only the viscous lsd's are pretty good, most race cars besides F1 run so much pre load on diffs, they may as well be lockers anyway, but yeah F1 has electronic diffs, schumacer was notorius for changing his diff for different sectors of the track, im dreaming for the day, the F1 is just like the real thing, traction control for low and high speed corners configuerable from the car while driving, the TC when used , shouldnt slow the car down to zero, u see the F1 cars of today they keep going forward, in lfs the put out barley 50hp when its on,
and camber and proper suspension phisics would be a load blower for me, atm in the gtr's ui cant even run - 4 degrees camber , after 1 lap the tires are fried, and shouldnt be

Quote from tristancliffe :

Could be worse - they could sound like nKP or rF or GTR, and make you cry in your sleep when the samples merge or the bees attack.
Have you tried the new sound engine and DaveWS's sound pack? If not, then shut up. If yes, then get a hearing test

yea i use daves sound pack, thats as good as it can get until the lfs sound engine is updated, like being able to make induction, engine and exhaust sounds seperatly ect , it would be sooo sexy to have nice quad throttle bodies and nicer turbo spooling ect with a sound engine like that would be capable of using real life engines for sampling
but yeah csr csl or whatever it was called was alright, then dave came and smashed em, he should be on the dev team its seriously that good

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Must be English humour; I don't get it

A quick search of Seinfeld's activity reveals a plethora of ultra-high standard posts such this. I don't see why a ban isn't in order You're too nice!

Regarding sounds, you still have my head thinking day & night about the relationship between turbo activity and intake sounds... Your point about unconsumed air makes sense, and yet the relationship between the rotational speed of an impeller and how much air it's trying to pump is undeniable... Suppose we had the XRR at full tilt, air screaming in, gobs of lovely torque abounding and so forth... When we slam the throttle shit, the turbo slows down since
a) There is much less heat expansion & exhaust gas flow through the turbine housing; therefore less energy is dumped into the turbine
b) Since the impeller was previously at it's peak efficiency RPM (+/- some small % I suppose) it has a lot of resistance against it in the form of some dense compressed air.

Since the rotating mass of the impeller/turbine assembly has what's probably significant inertia (I think well over 100,000RPM worth IIRC), it cannot therefore instantly stop attempting to pump air the second the throttle is shut. Therefore, in the turbo cars, letting off should'nt cause the air intake sound to immediately cease like it does in the NA cars. The air it tries to pump either goes out the BOV if there is enough pressure, or it must simply cause the impeller to stall if there is not enough pressure. But since it is rotating at some speed for at least some time, it is still trying to move some air. I couldn't answer that final portion when you asked me in Dec.

@Tristan - you seem awful confident about the self-pleasuring

when backing off when ur at full boost the blow off valve dumps all the pressure, and hence the impellers stall, but you get a noise from it as well

Quote from Scawen :

Seinfeld you are quite a comedian!

I won't ban you because you are so funny!

hey scawen, I dont mean to be rude, but im frustrated at the level of talent that isnt being harnesed in this community, the game can be so much better if you would get some people on board, thats where all this language comes from is my passion for this game that has the potential to be the best, but limiting the amount of people working on it, and giving me emails like, we cant disclose any upcoming features in lfs is where my frustration has bought me to this point, I use language to show my passion, as no one can see my facial expressions posture ect , its bleeped out anyway, scawen, please take some people on board and lets get this game some momentum

to Dave, your work is brialliant and is totally appreciated, I only drove the XRR since putting your sounds on , and am thankfull you took the time to do it, which is 10 million times more sexy then the reworked sounds from the devs, hopefully when lfs get more detailed more scalable sound engine you could incorperate nice induction sounds, like a nice quad throttlebodies suck is just pure sex, but I understand you cant do that at the moment with the current engine, I would love dave to be put on the sound dev team as he as per my post just shows the wealth of talent on here, of course you would do it for free wouldnt you dave just for the love of the game im sure

even tho I may not sound like im a lover of this game, I digg it totally, and you need to be cruel to be kind to get somewhere sometimes, I hope that everyone now knows how much passion I have for this game and can now take my posting style without to much dis respect as its totally not meant to be that way

Quote from chunkyracer :

I guess that you're the one who doesn´t have a clue...
With my 7600 GT I get an average of 100 fps in LFS with every graphic setting maxed out. I if take my copy of GTL, put in DX8 and with every graphic setting in low, I'm pretty sure that I still won´t get the same kind of framerate, and it will look much worse than LFS does. So, the question with the games based on the ISI engine, is not that they need a powerful machine, because they have great graphics, but because graphics are not optmized to run smoothly.

the problem is lfs is optimized in DX8 graphics, gtr 2 is direct X9 , which u will need better hardware to run it, simple, I have a 8800 and the graphics are no different from ur 7600, in gtr2 they are outstanding, reflections lights, track detail all perfect, if uwant to run gtr 2 u will need good hardware simple

this is just proof that the lfs community can create some good stuff, it also proves that the developers are either stupid or just wankers, cause they arnt harnessing the talent on these forums, for anything, I know of people that can map and do all the graphics for tracks 200000000% better then what the devs can do yet they dont ask, and its not even about the money for the people on the forums, they just want a better game, its just frustrating that we have a game that has so much potential but is being limited to 3 stupid **** developers, being anal, and saying we will develop it our way, thats fine but get some help and get this thing finished already ****!

yes sounds suck in lfs, they wont get any money from s3 until they prove to me they are going somewhere

Quote from Fetzo :

lfs has problems on the market?

on my pc lfs looks way better than rfactor, but i dont have a high end machine.

ok, then you havent even got a clue

2nd is lfs lost the F1 from intel, because well its utter crap, the rfactor sauber f106 is amazing in phisics, lfs needs a lot of work, or even a small amount of developing , it has the ability to be good, but i want, exact of the real thing, including electronic diff, high &low speed traction controll,the TC atm is pathetic, when it comes on u literally only get 50hp thru the wheels, brake biasing, also brake travel, better tire phisics, like u cant even run 3 degrees neg camber without 1 lap making the temp go thru the roof, lfs rushed thir sauber and are paying for it

they were in the patch forum yes, but lets not kid ourselves they arnt that ****ing different really , scawen and the devs talk about doing things properly and not half arsed, well honestly did they think these sounds would be fine for the next few years of lfs,oh come on... really just a waste of ****ing time and to keep the already getting frustrated people attached to lfs and a half arsed attempt it was,
stop fucing sucking up to the devs and pull the wool off your eyes, compared to gtr 2 and r factor sure the "phisics" are better and FF but the rest is all really just not going anywhere, i wont pay for S3 i just wont
ill keep an eye on lfs but for now its dropped to 70% in my book I wanted 95%(in terms of gameplay) (not completion) by end of the year,

Quote from Jakg :

all the cars aren't the same, you just have the demo, if you bought the full game you'd have plenty more!

(Oh, and whats the point in modifying your car, everyone would have the "best" car and we'd be back to where we were before!)

no he means he wants fuel mapping, timing correction etc etc , not just rice shite, hes right to a point exact engine transmission etc etc, just can be setup differently why not engine?

Quote from Scawen :

Inventing statistics?

Obviously you have a poor understanding about how LFS development works.

Good, I hope you do that because your posts are getting boring.

thats the type of attitude im talking about scawen, where did you post the sounds of the upcoming patch V to get the community's response? NOWHERE, you just did it and prob gave it to a few testers thats it, a lot of people want to see this game go further, but you are restricting yourself soo much this forum has unlimited potential to scout for people in different feilds your crazy and this game will never finish, the way you are going
cruel to be kind
in the last year the game has gone nowhere, I did buy it under the understanding it was a work in progress however I expect some results and a decent attitude from developers, im a game creator tester myself and would never treat or just release something without fans input first
the sounds are pathetically synthesised and are quite lazy scawen, arcade games for jeebus sake have real sounds and they are for noobs, get some guys together and start getting this game out of the 80s

to mee the netcode hasnt gone anywhere, its still crap! thats being brutaly honest,
I mean new menu items and spedos and we still have farked gameplay , bad phisics, bad collisions,1 person connects at a time and lags the **** out of everything
to me the game should be fixed before menu funtions I mean FARK this is soo frustrating for me as we have 3 semi interested developers and infinate ****ing talant on these forums, is it their egos or what illepall
they better do something soon 40% according to the poll regarding V dont like it and its growning not to mention half the servers wont even implement V

over 50% have gone back to pre V now
I think thats writing on the wall really,

its quite sad that the devs didnt even ask the fans what we want out of this game in terms of features etc etc

as i said before im taking a break and wont be purchasing S3 unless its really mind blowing
and not just the fact its not going anywhere, every freaking server is just a drift server cause the phisics aint right, and people just want to fck around

too heavy on the cpu FFS, at present a p2 can run this game, the average person has now a sempron 2 ghz cpu, lets beef this baby (game)up
graphics sound wise its so 80's now

Quote from mr.spock :

I agree with PIE - the BF1 sounds are truly awful. F1 engines do not sound like coffee grinders. I actually have to turn the sound down to near zero because it detracts from the game.

I too agree that Scawen is a god, and will have this sorted soon

I do start to feel that there may have to be a total rethink of the sound engine though to get this right. I hope I'm wrong !

take a look at forza motorsoprts REAL ENGINE SOUNDS
thats all that needs to be said really

Quote from Jonas8431 :

I like all ones

check this out, that sound is the most real of the world... LOL, its a pit stop of F1 car CLICK HERE

if someone can make a better sound with their nose where the hell is lfs going seriously illepall

lol i didnt understand the graph, but i know how lfs is it needs to change so i voted for yours lol

I can hear the turbo no problem only prob is it doesnt sound like a turbo, the only real improvment is in the F08
and the to high frequency distorts even my jbl speakers with a no pre amp and flat eq

I think the sounds are just pathetic really, too synthetic and frequency is too high, no backfiring, no burble when off the throttle, no intake noise
turbo sounds like a.. well its not a turbo i dunno what you call it
its a step in the wrong direction

if I cold suggest get some real engine sounds

Quote from Cue-Ball :

If that's true then can I assume that every surface carries the same weight? If so, this would account for the fact that the hot hatches seem very top heavy. Sometimes after going over an inside curb I swear that the engine must be mounted on the roof!

i felt that too, my first impression driving the xfr was was ther a phisics change

Quote from Viper93 :

Well I have heard of cars having too large of exhausts. Mainly in NA'd cars due to not enough back pressure at the exhaust valves. I think this can cause stuttering at lower RPM. Which would cause all sorts of wierd noises.

Dual 3 inch sounds way too much for that little engine! Jeez my brothers Hemi only has 2.5inch. My fathers 6.0 or 6.1 in his Chevy only has 2.5 also. 3 inch would be great at RPM but would give you problems low RPM I would think.

its a turbo so bigger the better, but your trade off is poor drivability and loss of low end torque but massive gain up high

im referring to klunk and noise changing when backing off through the gearbox, perhaps I didnt explain more clearly,
and its no ricer, its just good everything except no bodykit and other ricer additions like no gauges etc etc and no nawzz man , a true performance car,

anyway after changing pipe size it improved the drivability of the engine reducing the on off on off wine in the box it stayed more constant
my spelling sux yes its 3am here tired

gearbox wine is dependant on drivability of the car for instance
I own a mazda rx7, modified, suspension clucth light flywheel
engine work, and a lsd diff MASSIVE exhaust twin 3 inch some ppl say illepall
and I noticed I had drivability issues at low speed, it would jerk jutter and whatnot
I got sick of it cause i couldnt get out of my drivway withuout a sccccccccraaatch noise, so i went smaller diameter pipes twin 2 1/2 and this improved the drivability, the gearbox doesnt clunk and jerk anymore at low rpm,lower mid range torque was improved . so moral is depends on drivabiltiy, in lfs no cars are hard to drive in a way the jerk klunk and run like shit below certain rpm(which id love to have as a feature) atm its just more like the engine wont rev if ur in a 2 higher gear

+1000000000000000000000000000000 im sure everyone in lfs hate this stupid problem, and also canceling races because of a player connecting , this should be on scawen (spelling) top priority

ripple strip noise mate,
regards to sound, really the bf1 is going nowhere,
the rest still all sound alike there isnt much difference between the cars, just seems more deeper then before
I wanted more intake noise but i didnt get it