Quote from Ori :

I instantly apologised on ventrilo, said that i will correct my mistake and let the passed cars by. So I drove all the lap in a way that would not be dangeruous and still make it possible to let them by. Until t2 i was outside anyway hoping it would get fixed but it took a whole lap. However, within one lap i had done as said and corrected my mistake and let the cars by at the point i passed them. All this i did in a as safe as possible matter of course.

Safe or not... Never Pass under a yellow, bud...
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1178465#post1178465

Last edited by Skydiver173, Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:59.

Quote from dekojester :

So, in short, I'll be spending the next few days, no finals until Wednesday, going through every damnned replay, car by car. Thanks for your help with specific incidents, it will make it go quicker. If you really want to help improve, give me specific examples. Just express a little more patience, and tolerate some silence from me. It's honestly frustrating.

dekojester

...and this goes back to waht I've said in a previous post:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1178560#post1178560

Everyony should be doing the same thing. Go through each replay from the perspective of every car and learn from them. We've got 3 weeks to get our acts together.

Quote from CSF :

Or the SC driver which is asked 2 hours before if he can SC a session. I give up my own time to help out you guys and I get criticism off someone who can't be arsed to show up himself. If there is some kind of setup, then please send it to me. I have never been sent this setup. I give up my own time, having no affiliation with NDR apart from a friendship with Deko, stay up till 4-5am and get moaned at. Well next time you can have no SC for all I care, and you can get no session.

I will no longer be helping NDR with their events. Joe, you can sit up till 5am.

nnooooo! don't leave! We're not criticizing you personally... just suggestions to make the events even better! It's for any SC driver... It wasn't anything you did, trust me.

Both are great!

Quote from boothy :

If you have specific examples please give the timecodes here. The SC will only park in the middle of the track if it's safe to do so - ie, if the field is park enough away that they can slow down in time. And anyway, it doesn't take the SC long to get up to speed. Everyone knows the SC speed (86mph), and the SC is visible on the map as it only comes out at one place and will be laps down and so a different colour.

Session 8: Lap 10 @ approx 20 minutes, 25 seconds... the yellow is waved.

Have the SC start rolling when the leaders reach the little bend in the front-straight. I also recommend that the SC be geared so that the driver can keep the pedal down all the way to maintain a consistant speed.

Just suggestions...

Quote from Ori :

Dear NDR-Officials,

it is shattering to see that after numeruous practice sessions there has been almost no improvement. I will take 6 Teien and 73 O'Keefe as examples. The start of session 8 for instance. After numberless practices with the known starting conditions 6 Teien steps on the throttle and gives it a manouver like he was driving alone, although he has seen at least two drivers in the left just a second before. Now let's do some cause study: How can it be that after so many sessions someone does this? The logical explanation to this is that the driver must be mentally handycaped. This is not ment as an offence but in objective and medical terms. Lets move to the second example, 73 O'Keefe: Although beeing asked friendly, warned and shouted numberless times, he hasn't changed his behaviour. Moreover, he continues to warm tyres, brake and accelerate, jump out of the file, pass under SC and crash people even under safety car.

Summing up one obviously has to ask: Why haven't the stewards done anything yet - especially minding the fact that there is a major event in less than 24 hours? I do doubt there is an excuse for this, since obviously none of you has even had a look on the replays, which is the least to be done by people claiming to be proper stewards. I hereby once again ask u to act.

yours sincerely and outrageously disappointed,

Ori

Good point... The Race officials have the right to deem ANYONE unsafe to race the 500 at ANYTIME. This means that some of you drivers really need to think about your skills and how to improve them.

Being booted from racing the Kyoto 500 for poor driving skills would really be embarrassing (at least for me it would). Again, don't be afraid to ask questions about how to handle your car in certain situations. (start a new topic in the forums or PM a good driver for help). I, for one, like to help people improve. I'm not saying I knoiw everything (i still have much to learn), but if I can make a difference, then I did my job. The better driver you are, the safer and FASTER you will go!

Last edited by Skydiver173, Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:18.

Quote from hyntty :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z ... s#The_Paradoxes_of_Motion

Yea, yea, yea... lol. I'm just trying to think "Safety First"! As a driver, and watching the replays (over and over) from the view of each and every driver, it may help. There are so MANY people who know nothing about brake and throttle control.

For DekoJester,

I've got an idea... When the yellow flag comes out, is it possible to have the SC continue to roll. I noticed it parks on the track in the middle of turn 1 and waits for the field to come up to the back of it, resulting in quite a few bumps and bruises.

When we come around, i noticed many people have to slow very quickly to prevent overtaking it. Afterall, we're moving at a reatively high speed (130mph) compared to a parked car. lol

Maybe having it keep rolling will prevent some of these issues.

just a though.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

Yea, right.. lol

73 K. O'Keefe - I hope you saved these replays. Why push so hard at the starts?

I meant to add this to that last post I made, but O'Keefe, please take a look at your car during session 8 starting at 46:00,00 (at the 46 minute mark). Press F9 and notice how you are jerking the car back and forth (Rush, rush, rush!). Notice how you burned up your clutch and had to end your session. There is no hurry my friend... that leads me back to the original post I made of....

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I hope you saved these replays. Why push so hard at the starts?
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Guys... we have one month to get ready for this and I recommend that everyone save the replays and learn from them. Watch them over and over so you learn from your mistakes. Not only that, but you can learn alot about other drivers habits (bad and good) just by watching them.

Think of this as a big game of chess. What's your next move? Do you know your plan 3 laps ahead of time? My goal is to help you all realize there is a lot more to racing than just passing the guy in front of you.
P.S. why else would Deko have us racing on R2s? lol

Blue skys and safe driving!

Last edited by Skydiver173, Sat, 6 Jun 2009 05:38.

Quote from LFSn00b :

I shall tell the future by showing how the Kyoto 500 event will start

LOL... looks familiar.
Damn, I had a bad start, lol

Quote from Mustafur :

hmm i like your thinking.

It's all about patients, my friends...

Quote from Mustafur :

I don't know about you guys but i burn through tires much quicker in Draft.

Probably because your passing the car in front of you, then letting him pass you, then you pass him again... and so on, and so on...

but if you just stay behind in the draft of other cars and don't pass, your tires should last much longer.

Quote from lizardfolk :

Indeed.

I wonder if dropping back is a good idea tho...

Definately NOT! lol ...just stay behind the person in front of you and wait for a good opportunity to pass. Let that person do the work... afterall, you're saving gas (and tires) by staying in thier draft... and THAT is what will make you win during a 4 hour long race.

Quote from lizardfolk :

But getting away from the field greatly increases your chance of winning Hence the scramble

LOL, true... but we all know the usual outcome of an uncontrolled scramble, huh?

Quote from z-ro 8 :

ffs good thing there arent' left AND right turns.
#1 rule in oval racing: situational awareness.

Quote from racer hero :

The first start I made a mistake, sorry. The second was perfectly fine...

OK, understood, but that's a risky move for a 270 lap race. It's the kind of move that could take out the whole field. You don't win on the first lap.

Quote from buck77 :

this one was great!

Yea, right.. lol

73 K. O'Keefe - I hope you saved these replays. Why push so hard at the starts?

Quote from Agarash :

Description of Incident: passing me few times under full course yellow

This is not a protest I am making, but a word of caution... Never pass until the green flag is waved.
(you know who you are... )

again... patience, my friend...

Quote from fermevc :

When it comes to drafting, I think that rules at FM should be applied here. There was some chaotic overtaking from both sides tonight, and I`m sure that was the cause of the accidents.

Well, you know what I'm going to say here. ALWAYS pass to the left... (unless you have no other choice). Passing another car on the right is extremely risky and in most cases, will not get you anywhere. Actually, you'll slow everyone down most of the time.

Quote from dekojester :

Please show patience further next session. Simply "tossing your toys out of the pram" after being taken out is NOT a good showing. Remember, the race is long, and not over if you're taken out. Showing restraint, patience, and not spectating after being taken out, especially early in the race, will do you well. Remember, there'll be chances for you to get a lap back if you play your cards right, or simply get lucky. Find someone to work with, and work your way back through. Can't win it if you don't exercise those traits of restraint, patience.

Well said...

At the start of the race, (when the green flys) the 3 row formation should stay nearly the same after you pass Turn 1. In other words, STAY IN YOUR LANE even if you have to lift the throttle....

I can't say it enough.... patience! 270 laps is a long way and you NEVER, EVER win on the first lap.

Quote from Ki-Men :

I think Ill be there , faster then ewer

Quote from Raven88 :

You wish you where able to kick my a$$. Just like every other race you'll be looking at my rear wing when I cross the finish line.

Oh god... will someone PLEASE wake him up?!!? LOL

By the way, when's the next practice session. I heard Friday (june 5th), but i don't know..

Quote from Raven88 :

Haha but as hard as we raced they peaked at that temp. A few tweaks to the gearing and maybe to the right front.....

alrightythen, but don't say i didn't warn ya... :icon23:...

Here's a little hint I already posted once. Everyone should read and understand how the tires are affected by the road.

http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html

I want everyone to have a good chance and above all, a SAFE race, but with most of the setups I've seen so far, well you wont last long on R2s. A few sets were even smoking the tires at turn 3 around lap 35. I'd hate to see anyone 'BLACK FLAGGED' because thier car was deemed unsafe for racing.

Quote from hyntty :

Yesterday it was set to r3

It let me race with r4 anyway.

I'll look into this. Someone keeps changing it back to R3s and R4s.

Anyway, On an 8 lap race (like our servers are set for), you wont learn much about tire wear, BUT you will learn a lot about driving techniques on the Oval. Whether on R2s or R4s, I highly recomend that some of you join and learn something. Feel free to ask questions to those that can help. Don't be shy.

Last edited by Skydiver173, Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:26.

Thanks to my brotha Smeg for this one.