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I don't think we can say "Button coped much better thanks to his style" so easily...
We could argue that :
1) Button was going a little bit slower and relaxed compared to Vettel as he was doing more or less the same times but Brawn could probably go few tenths faster
2) Button changed tyres two laps later than Vettel. If we consider Vettel's 52th laptime of 1:30.154 as inconsistancy/mistake (as the next lap he was doing again 1:29.721), then Vettel's tires troubles began only on lap 54 (1:30.237)
When Button reached lap 56 (54+2), he encountered Safety car (1:37.817) so we have no way to say if Button style had preserved tires longer than Vettel or if he was going to lose 1 or more seconds in the following laps.
On top of that, different cars have different tire usage... so to see Button's style effects we should probably compare him to Barrichello (unless Barrichello is smooth too..). Unfortunately, Barrichello soft stint was even shorter so we haven't got data on it.
Having said that, I'm not a real racing driver nor an expert, so if you say that Button is smooth and so he would preserve his tires more than Vettel... I'm going to believe you
Just wanted to point out that in this race, laptimes wouldn't prove a massive difference between Button and Vettel.. (maybe there was some better evidence looking at some videos?)
Edit:
Agreed
Although, in Rosberg's case he did have problems somewhat sooner (6th or 7th lap) but he was also the one pushing most: 1:27:706, fastest lap of the race, compared to Button and Vettel who stayed above 1:29 on softs.
I think someone said he was asked by the team to push to get Barrichello (can anyone confirm this?).
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It's Kajanima's teammate
Melbourne fastest laps:
http://www.fia.com/public/f1_media/aus09_race_laps.pdf
And a link to view all laptimes:
http://channelf1.net/timing.php
Using those laptimes, I tried to get a rough estimate of "race pace"... so I calculated the average of each driver's top 20 laps.
Best Top 20 Laps Average of each team:
Button 1:28,375
Vettel 1:28,486
Kubica 1:28,867
Robserg 1:29,105
Raikkonen 1:29,265
Trulli 1:29,571
Hamilton 1:29,668
Sutil 1:29,673
Alonso 1:29,704
Buemi 1:29,934
It looks like only RBR was really on BGP pace, and BGP didn't push on softs during the last stint.
Obviously a simple average like this cannot tell exactly team strenghts, but I think it gives an interesting overview of how teams performed on Melbourne.
http://www.fia.com/public/f1_media/aus09_race_laps.pdf
And a link to view all laptimes:
http://channelf1.net/timing.php
Using those laptimes, I tried to get a rough estimate of "race pace"... so I calculated the average of each driver's top 20 laps.
Best Top 20 Laps Average of each team:
Button 1:28,375
Vettel 1:28,486
Kubica 1:28,867
Robserg 1:29,105
Raikkonen 1:29,265
Trulli 1:29,571
Hamilton 1:29,668
Sutil 1:29,673
Alonso 1:29,704
Buemi 1:29,934
It looks like only RBR was really on BGP pace, and BGP didn't push on softs during the last stint.
Obviously a simple average like this cannot tell exactly team strenghts, but I think it gives an interesting overview of how teams performed on Melbourne.
I agree. Other drivers probably drove better, but the one who impressed me most was Buemi: I didn't know anything about him and I expected a poor rookie performance with his Toro Rosso, instead he got a good result and I also saw him fight for some positions.
+1 for Buemi
Yes, I think it's still active...no changes where needed for patch Z.
As for wheel temperatures, Insim&Outsim don't give this info.
I suppose the host sends data to the client as fast he can...so if you flood the host, the host will flood the client. If you wait 1 ms, you don't flood the host and the host doesn't flood the client
That's the control you have on the "host to client flood"
Starblue
I encountered this problem with one my apps: "NextRace".
NextRace can display almost 200 buttons at once like this: http://img88.imageshack.us/my. ... racker310120081806ta5.jpg
However, I experienced the problem myself only once...and only a few users said they had trouble using it....most people could see it just fine.
NextRace was always running on a Windows machine.
I've tried to make a test a few min ago: I've modified one my apps so that it sends thousands of Insim buttons. Using it on "single player", it causes no problem. However, if I start a dedi in local and connect to it, my LFS gets disconnected after the flood of insim buttons.
My LFS just says "Lost connection to host", however, my app registered this message too:
21:59:43,125 [127.0.0.1:17464] received this msg (TCP ERROR : WOULDBLOCK) by ConnId: 0
Looking up in the forum, I found this post:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... ght=WOULDBLOCK#post813975
I think Victor's answer solves the mistery: sending too many buttons at once can saturate the network buffer, thus when the LFS host tries to send some more information it fails to do so and declares the connection dead.
I suppose the network buffer size depends on the machine config, so that would explain why your Linux machine has no problem, while your windows server fails.
Victor also provides the solution:
I've tried to put a simple pause of 1 millisecond between one button and another and it's working: my LFS has been receiving thousands of buttons in the last 3 minutes and it's currently still connected and receiving more buttons...
Starblue
NextRace can display almost 200 buttons at once like this: http://img88.imageshack.us/my. ... racker310120081806ta5.jpg
However, I experienced the problem myself only once...and only a few users said they had trouble using it....most people could see it just fine.
NextRace was always running on a Windows machine.
I've tried to make a test a few min ago: I've modified one my apps so that it sends thousands of Insim buttons. Using it on "single player", it causes no problem. However, if I start a dedi in local and connect to it, my LFS gets disconnected after the flood of insim buttons.
My LFS just says "Lost connection to host", however, my app registered this message too:
21:59:43,125 [127.0.0.1:17464] received this msg (TCP ERROR : WOULDBLOCK) by ConnId: 0
Looking up in the forum, I found this post:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... ght=WOULDBLOCK#post813975
I think Victor's answer solves the mistery: sending too many buttons at once can saturate the network buffer, thus when the LFS host tries to send some more information it fails to do so and declares the connection dead.
I suppose the network buffer size depends on the machine config, so that would explain why your Linux machine has no problem, while your windows server fails.
Victor also provides the solution:
I've tried to put a simple pause of 1 millisecond between one button and another and it's working: my LFS has been receiving thousands of buttons in the last 3 minutes and it's currently still connected and receiving more buttons...
Starblue
Nice video!
The subtitles were a bit too quick for me though, I had to stop the video to read them all
I look forward to the second part
Starblue
I think it's the Lapper that clears the button...I tried to log the insim communication and it seems that Lapper sends a 42 - ISP_BFN packet right after LFS has sent a 23 - ISP_PLL (Player Leave) packet.
Infact, trying with another app (LFSAdminRights), I do not lose buttons on screen when going from race to spectator.
Btw, congrats for all your work on LFSLapper, I haven't used it much (yet) but it looks amazing
The possibility of using user-defined scripts is absolutely brilliant
Starblue
Weird
Can you send me your config files? config.ini , drivers.txt , events.txt, calendars.txt.Do you get this error *all the time* or does it manage to download some PB or Hotlap between one error and the other? Is your LFSWorld idkey being used for something else?
About further development: I will do it if there is enough interest from the community
I'm thinking about developing Andy King request (automatic start of Qualy & Race of events in the calendar)...although I think there is already LFSLapper to start races at fixed times, it wouldn't check if people in the race are registered for the event or not...so maybe I should add this to NextRace
Starblue
New version published in the opening post
Starblue
I'm glad you like it!
My fault, I should have written something on how to use the program.
I'll try post a little tutorial later, so that other people won't have to figure out by trial and error
Good point. I'll make soon a new version where 1) every use of commands is logged to the log file 2) 100 Last executed commands can be seen from the adminGUI panel.
Starblue
Good idea! I love Eclipse but I remember it was quite a pain the first time I used it...trying to understand its many perspective windows and how to import an existing project, libraries and such
I'll try to make the tutorial you suggested.
I'm glad you solved it and.... welcome to Jinsim!!
Starblue
When you create a new "admin", he starts with no rights to use any command: you must click on the command buttons next to his name to give him rights to use them
Ok, follow these steps:
1) Check that your setup.cfg of DEDI server has an Insim line like this:
// optional: InSim port
/insim=17464Is there such a line?
2) Start DEDI server
3) Start AdminRights
4) Check DEDI server window, you should see a message telling that AdminRights has connected through Insim: "Insim - TCP : AdmRts".Can you see it?
5) Start LFS
6) Go to Multiplayer, Join Specific Host and join your local DEDI Server on 127.0.0.1
7) Type the message !adminGUI
8) Can you see the message !adminGUI after you send it?
Starblue
Is this the only line in the log? It looks ok.
I see the IP address is local (127.0.0.1): are you using a DEDI or your LFS with Start New Host?
Starblue
Please check the AdminRights.log file and let me know if there's an error reported there
Starblue
Yes, it can be done
Is AKM using the Tracker?
Starblue
Yes, as I said in the previous post, I will release IGTC Tracker for public usage in the future (I think at the end of the current IGTC season).
On request, I may give the Tracker sooner than that.
Notice that the tracker is made up of 3 parts:
1) A Java software to connect to LFS (requires a JVM 1.5 or higher)
2) A MySQL database (requires ...yes, MySql!
)3) A few php pages to display results live (requires a webserver with PHP)
You can contact me via PM for further details
Starblue
LFSAdminRights
Hello everyone,
have you ever wanted to give someone else the ability to use some admin commands without giving them your admin password? This is what LFSAdminRights do
I've developed this software after this request has been made:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=44851 by by.corner
With LFSAdminRights you can:
* Create a list of commands such as !kick, !ban, !restart which can mirror admin commands such as /kick, /ban, /restart, etc or any other message.
* Assign to specific LFS usernames the right to use one or more of your commands.
* Connect LFSAdminRights to many hosts at once.
Every time someone types a command starting with the special prefix (which can be "!" or another char you choose in the .cfg file) LFSAdminRights will check if that username is authorized to run that command and then execute it.
The real admins (those who have the admin password) can use !adminGUI to invoke an insim button interface which gives the ability to create/delete commands and to assign/revoke rights to the usernames.
This program is distributed without any warranty.
The author takes no responsibility for any damages this program may cause, use at your own risk.
LFSAdminRights is written in Java, so it needs a Java Virtual Machine installed to run it (1.5 or higher).
I used Jinsim library for the Insim part, thanks to Brilwing and its previous author rheiser for it
Installation:
Just unzip it in a folder of your choice.
How to start it:
1) Check if the hosts.txt files is correct - you need one line for every host you wish to connect to, using the following format:
<IP>;<Insim Port>;<AdminPassword>
e.g. 127.0.0.1;17464;myPass
2) You can, if you want, change the prefix in adminRights.cfg.
3) Double-click on LFSAdminRights.exe (or, from command line, java -jar LFSAdminRights.jar).
Changelog:
Version 20080707:
- every use of prefix commands is now logged as INFO the log file.
- AdminGUI has a new "Last Commands" panel that shows the last 100 commands executed since the program was started.
Starblue
have you ever wanted to give someone else the ability to use some admin commands without giving them your admin password? This is what LFSAdminRights do
I've developed this software after this request has been made:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=44851 by by.corner
With LFSAdminRights you can:
* Create a list of commands such as !kick, !ban, !restart which can mirror admin commands such as /kick, /ban, /restart, etc or any other message.
* Assign to specific LFS usernames the right to use one or more of your commands.
* Connect LFSAdminRights to many hosts at once.
Every time someone types a command starting with the special prefix (which can be "!" or another char you choose in the .cfg file) LFSAdminRights will check if that username is authorized to run that command and then execute it.
The real admins (those who have the admin password) can use !adminGUI to invoke an insim button interface which gives the ability to create/delete commands and to assign/revoke rights to the usernames.
This program is distributed without any warranty.
The author takes no responsibility for any damages this program may cause, use at your own risk.
LFSAdminRights is written in Java, so it needs a Java Virtual Machine installed to run it (1.5 or higher).
I used Jinsim library for the Insim part, thanks to Brilwing and its previous author rheiser for it
Installation:
Just unzip it in a folder of your choice.
How to start it:
1) Check if the hosts.txt files is correct - you need one line for every host you wish to connect to, using the following format:
<IP>;<Insim Port>;<AdminPassword>
e.g. 127.0.0.1;17464;myPass
2) You can, if you want, change the prefix in adminRights.cfg.
3) Double-click on LFSAdminRights.exe (or, from command line, java -jar LFSAdminRights.jar).
Changelog:
Version 20080707:
- every use of prefix commands is now logged as INFO the log file.
- AdminGUI has a new "Last Commands" panel that shows the last 100 commands executed since the program was started.
Starblue
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I'll try to code it in the next 24h
I've actually already done enough to make it work but I'd like to add a quick panel with Insim Buttons to edit Admin rights and the list of commands.
It works like this:
hosts.txt = file containing all the hosts that this software will connect to.
admins.txt = list of all the "admins", containing their usernames and the list of commands they can execute (e.g. !kick, !restart....)
commands.txt = list of all commands with their translations (e.g. !kick must be translated to /kick and so on).
Whenever someone types a message beginning with !, the software will check if it's a command and if that user is authorized to send that command. If he's authorized, the software will translate the command and send it to the server to execute it.
Starblue
Hi Trekkerfahrer,
I'm currently developing the tracker for IGTC endurance events: it has already been used for the first five races of this season and it's working well so far.
The tracker will be released to the whole LFS community at some point in the future and I'll be happy to try it on some other league as well meanwhile.
I'll attach a few screenshots to this post: notice that the main view (with laps, gaps, etc) has only 2 driver names because it was taken at the end of the race after most people had left the server.
It does not officially support multiple host tracking at the moment, but it could be changed to do so, depending on what do you mean exactly with "multiple server tracking"
Starblue
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