What's with all the Swift hating? The new Swift 1.5 is actually pretty good as hatchbacks, and certainly first cars, go! You can't knock 0-60 in 8.9 seconds and they usually have nice wide tyres...

Another approach is declare the mods but specifically say you don't want them insured.

He does seem to do stuff wrong deliberately to reinforce his point (for example, the driver in the oversteer video intentionally over-corrected) and to show what an average driver would do in that situation, therefore demonstrating why his method is generally safer for everyone.

Yes, a talented driver may be able to do cadence braking really well and catch a slide perfectly, but his job isn't teaching talented drivers - it's stopping normal drivers killing themselves.

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But i think that if u steer back in time then it should be okay.

I think the aim of his method is to eliminate the "if" factor.

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Ofcourse I master this in LFS perfectly, but on the road it might be somewhat more difficult.

Even in LFS when you catch it (which is SO easy to do in the XFG), you use a lot more road than you do if you slam the brakes on

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i must say i generally agree with his views on countersteering as far as the general public is concerned
however in some cases ie driving a car that wants to kill you on snow countersteering is often the only way to actually get anywhere

Agreed. Remember, while you were sliding your RWD beast (RX-7?) around, most people in Europe (except Scandinavia cos they're all rally drivers!) were spinning their wheels trying to get off their driveways or staying in bed because they think the Evil Weather Will Kill Them.

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must say that driving an inherently unsafe car might be safer in the long run

Also agreed... But for most people, driver training would have to improve signifcantly or the world would be (even more) full of hatchbacks in trees.

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That is what I was told. Jump on the brakes and try and keep it in a straight line.

I was told to never lock the brakes ever, but I learned to drive relatively recently (3 years), so perhaps the attitude has changed inbetween your test and mine?

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if i had done that i wouldnt have been able to go round a single corner this winter

I think he's saying its inherently safer as there's no danger of a pendulum and also assumes you want to stop and gather your thoughts after an "oh shit" moment

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he also applied the throttle

The people I've talked to (on internet forums) who took the course there prefer throttle application instead of countersteering in an FWD, saying countersteering with throttle may cause pendulums and without any throttle is highly likely to pendulum and kill you.

Last edited by TiJay, Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:33.

I found something quite interesting today. The generally accepted answer of "what do you do in an oversteer situation" is "countersteer" and when asked "cadence braking or foot on the floor?" most people would answer "cadence".

This Israel (I think) advanced driving school begs to differ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 9Rjpk&feature=related
The gist of this is, slamming on the brakes when the back comes out is safer on the road than attempting to countersteer. There's also some good stuff there on understeer and tyre pressures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... p;feature=player_embedded
This is quite an interesting counter-point to the "cadence braking is better" stance taken by most 'experts' over here. Maslulim teaches that locking up = stopping quicker. Obviously ABS is better as you can steer to avoid the hazard, but that's not the point they're making. Again, there's tyre pressure stuff and an interesting point on "brake hard means BRAKE HARD!" too.

Give it a watch and offer your opinions, the conclusion I've taken from it is that countersteering is only for the track... I may give this a go in LFS later...

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that if the car is parked over a puddle it may mean they are trying to hide problems under the car.

You know there's a problem if it's parked like this and the puddle's this size...

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Vinny getting everyone to work for him for free. Aint the internet wonderful

As a poor design student, any opportunity to get more stuff to put in my portfolio is good

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It's great like this!
Thanks!

Does that mean you'll be using it? If it does, epic Send me a photo of it when its done?

Sorry Is this closer?

If anything else needs doing, I probably won't have time to work on it tonight but I'm available tomorrow evening/Sunday

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Thanks Vinny, fixed

If my experiences from a couple of years ago still apply, Linux is a bitch with wireless drivers. Your best bet is the Ubuntu forums... where a bunch of geeks will explain that you need to do x,y and z but only after x has been compiled from a,b and c. Followed by a rant about Microsoft paying off hardware manufacturers...

This is my go! It turned out rougher than I wanted, but I think it's quite cool how the stripes end in a V at the bottom... Obviously, you could replace "VINCENT with V. SURNAME" on the actual thing.

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Just don't go after the one in Harlow...

Oi! What's wrong with this nice corner of Essex?

Bloody hell, do they still sell GeForce 4's? Especially the MX ones, my MX440 stopped playing "new" games in 2006! Steer well clear of that... The 6200 was acceptable a couple of years ago, no idea how well it'll do now.

Get a new PC, tbh...

And an HD4650 in an old machine is a bit useless. Not to mention the power supply probably won't be powerful enough?

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I keep hearing about the Ask Me Anything podcast, supposed to be quite good?

Ah, crap. It's called Answer Me This.

I keep hearing about the Ask Me Anything podcast, supposed to be quite good?

Saw this on Slashdot, burning mosquitos in 720p is quite cool. But where are the pics of the actual machine?

All you need to assign is throttle up/down buttons or an axis, trim and flap buttons, yoke 4-way axis, and rudder pedals/buttons. Then add buttons for brakes or lights as you wish.

Why not wait until you find something you really like instead of buying a car for the hell of it? I bought an Aygo pretty much on impulse and although I don't regret it, I'm not hanging onto it for much longer either...

Can't wait to see the car

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For this project we only need exterior

Do you cover car interior design on your course? It seems some manufacturers don't put a lot of effort into it...

I was looking at Tamiya models in the local Hobbycraft store and the GT-R looks awesome, it's so much more expensive than Airfix/Revell though...

Had my first go at model making last week, a Revell easykit Eurofighter. It's addictive, I want a "proper" kit now

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when you say the ABS is activating, do you mean you're getting a warning that it is or is it just the pedal that is vibrating?

The pedal, steering wheel and car are vibrating as they do when it kicks in.

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ABS isn't really about stopping quicker, it's about stopping in a more controlled manner. Lock all four wheels and Isaac Newton's doing the steering for you. With ABS you can still steer the car.

That is true, what I meant is I'm not really braking hard enough to give it a reason to come on.

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Might I suggest you find a clear, empy road (or an old airfield), and practice braking REALLY REALLY hard, so you can see when and how the ABS kicks in.

Yeah, I will. The problem is it's kicking in when it didn't in the past under the same conditions, unless I've grown a heavy right foot in the last week. Which is possible!

So the conclusion so far is knackered brakes of some kind... Great I will look at the pads and grease them in necessary.

Luke: I thought that was just the Prius?

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