Damn, couldn't save the replay - I got 'replay was not being recorded' for some reason.

Anywayz, complete fail, there were like 5 racing laps in the whole event. If this was the proper event, I might be submitting a few reports, unless when I get my hands on the replay I see something REALLY awful! The things I can remember were Greg constantly bumping my arse during SC - you don't have to be two centimetres away from the person in front all the time! Back off! You can catch up in 2 seconds if you want to! And Tiff bumping me off the track 5 laps or so before the end, probably costing me a lot of places because there were loads of crashes further up the field! Thanks for apologising!

Yeah. Well I hope its on a different day and basicly you pop in do your qual and leave. That would be cool. I also hope the race won't be like that O_O. So many cautions!

after the 250 last year which was a lag fest with probibly the most poorly ran orgonisation of well everything, so far not been impressed by the practice session 1, i mean yes its a practice, and the qualification took a long time, that i can go with.

but i cant go with a safety car talking to me aka "get off my bumper " which i replyed with a smile whilst under caution, only smiled back cause it was a admin who spoke to me to be then told to get to the back of the pack for talking when an admin spoke to me so i replyed. ??

but anyway, thought oh well gonna just try get a good start and fly round the outside and get a few positions and try get up the order,.. but no, that didnt work ether because not only was people braking on the line as it was going green but people was overtaking on the inside which isnt alowed, and i then go to pass around the outside of people like your supposed to if your overtaking under green flag but havent passed the start finish yet, to then get wrecked by some one who overtook on the inside... that was poor admining..

spend more time watching people braking rules instead of watching a single car spinning then throw a caution for 2 laps, took 35 mins for you to do a whole 3 laps of racing, the rest was just cautions befor i left the server

then when there was a caution, which your supposed to race back to the line befor slowing down, coming out of turn 3 about 5 noobs just slammed on the brakes cos they saw yellow flag leaving me to run streight into the back of them and dieing.

i mean flaming hell fire, ?? what tha heck.

ok ill shurrup now, just hope the next practice session goes smoother

Hehe, Not a bad race overall I think :P

K.Burns, around lap 16 that was my fault I got loose before you did and started coming down as you came up .

There were a couple other incidents I'm sure I was partly at fault for the crash on lap 21? or was it 16? I'm not sure I could have done very much to get out of it though

And KEN! 5mph on a restart is no good!

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

after the 250 last year which was a lag fest with probibly the most poorly ran orgonisation of well everything, so far not been impressed by the practice session 1, i mean yes its a practice, and the qualification took a long time, that i can go with.

but i cant go with a safety car talking to me aka "get off my bumper " which i replyed with a smile whilst under caution, only smiled back cause it was a admin who spoke to me to be then told to get to the back of the pack for talking when an admin spoke to me so i replyed. ??

but anyway, thought oh well gonna just try get a good start and fly round the outside and get a few positions and try get up the order,.. but no, that didnt work ether because not only was people braking on the line as it was going green but people was overtaking on the inside which isnt alowed, and i then go to pass around the outside of people like your supposed to if your overtaking under green flag but havent passed the start finish yet, to then get wrecked by some one who overtook on the inside... that was poor admining..

spend more time watching people braking rules instead of watching a single car spinning then throw a caution for 2 laps, took 35 mins for you to do a whole 3 laps of racing, the rest was just cautions befor i left the server

then when there was a caution, which your supposed to race back to the line befor slowing down, coming out of turn 3 about 5 noobs just slammed on the brakes cos they saw yellow flag leaving me to run streight into the back of them and dieing.

i mean flaming hell fire, ?? what tha heck.

ok ill shurrup now, just hope the next practice session goes smoother

You are not supposed to race back to the line, the field is frozen the second the yellow is thrown.

Improvement:
Chatting- Don't let people chat in Q, period. If they do add 1 sec to their Q or something, it honestly shouldn't be tolerated. Chatting in race shouldn't be tolerated as well. I noticed you sent people who chat to the end of the line. That's nice and all, but if they keep doing it give them a DT when the green comes out, or better yet just spec/kick them. Also, admins need to keep down the talk as well. One admin can control it all, pretty easy actually.
If people can't keep their mouth shut then IMO they aren't mature enough to race.


Got to give a sorry to Niki eventhough I didn't do anything out of wack. Server didn't agree with the bumpdraft I tried to lay on Nolan, sent me into Niki and just caused a chain reaction. Sorry to all involved there.

I was guilty of not paying enough attention during the first couple of SCs - my braking was too late when the crashes happened - but after I did this and spun to the infield, almost flipping my car with that wall glitch, I perked up a bit, and I feel greatly improved my pace lap etiquette. Like Jimmy, I had cars overtaking me on the inside during restarts, though I didn't leave them much room on the outside. I need to improve my behaviour (some of my problems are down to me being an oval racing noob,) but a few people need to improve it a lot. Also, some of the chat penalties were a bit harsh, but the admins need to show that they mean business, and won't take no BS from anyone! IIRC, I agreed with all of them.

Some drivers, after recieving a chat penalty, kept on chatting because they knew they had already been penalised! IMO, you need to give further penalties for that. Also some were sent to the back a few times, ditto.

Well im just happy this isn't rfactor or lfs has great damage simulation after flipping in 2 different occasions. All the cautions and down time i had on my setup really made the car understeer towards the end. Sorry Tim

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

about 5 noobs just slammed on the brakes cos they saw yellow flag leaving me to run straight into the back of them and dieing.

LOL

Quote from Timdpr :

Also, some of the chat penalties were a bit harsh, but the admins need to show that they mean business, and won't take no BS from anyone!

I dont think they were harsh at all. I agree with PMD after being sent to the back once or twice they should have had atleast a drivethrough during green.

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

but i cant go with a safety car talking to me aka "get off my bumper " which i replyed with a smile whilst under caution, only smiled back cause it was a admin who spoke to me to be then told to get to the back of the pack for talking when an admin spoke to me so i replyed. ??

I honestly did feel sorry for you at that point

On the subject of n00bs, we're going to investigate all the incidents, and if neccessary, increase certain people's entry requirements (i.e. required attendance at more practices than normal), or apply stricter penalties if neccessary. If there's any really hopeless cases we would have to deny them entry, but I'm sure that it won't have to come to that.

To be honest, I didn't expect the first practice session to go too smoothly, because it's the first time we've done a race with this group of people, some of the guys out there are relatively inexperienced and there are always going to be intial issues that need ironing out.

As people become familiar with the procedures/rules and the standard of driving required, as well as becoming more experienced generally, I'm sure we'll see improved racing overall.

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You are not supposed to race back to the line, the field is frozen the second the yellow is thrown.

going by nr2003 and every other nascar game iv played, when the yellow is out and your half way thru a lap when every one is still racing, if a yellow comes out you keep going and race till you go over the start finish line to get into a position you stay in under caution, and when you cross the line theres a safety car waiting about half a mile after the line so you got chance to slow down..

not when your half way thru your lap when the caution comes out every one instantly brake, which 5 noobs did which i led me to slam into the back of them.

The Safety Car Behaviour from the ppl was terrible.
Couldnt hold a speed, was always between 120 and 70 but never 90.
and a coution for a simple 360 to give isnt really useful on a test event.
And the qual system was just /facepalm
Your organisation skills arent that bad, you jsut fail on the 250 evry year.
Why? just tell me why.

i saw this race as a success...too many yellows, perhaps, to many crashes and bumps? who to blame?hint needed? otherwise it was good since i spent hours on lfs to be taken out on last lap on last turn

Quote from Sueycide_FD :

LOL

they did tho, was like a wall i hit, 5 cars in a line full brake force for no random reason

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

going by nr2003 and every other nascar game iv played, when the yellow is out and your half way thru a lap when every one is still racing, if a yellow comes out you keep going and race till you go over the start finish line to get into a position you stay in under caution, and when you cross the line theres a safety car waiting about half a mile after the line so you got chance to slow down..

not when your half way thru your lap when the caution comes out every one instantly brake, which 5 noobs did which i led me to slam into the back of them.

Even though I have nothing to do with this (I'd be bored and tired driving left for all that time :razz, I read the rules when they came out just to see what it was all about, and if you had bothered to as well then perhaps you'd know what to do under a caution.

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

going by nr2003 and every other nascar game iv played, when the yellow is out and your half way thru a lap when every one is still racing, if a yellow comes out you keep going and race till you go over the start finish line to get into a position you stay in under caution, and when you cross the line theres a safety car waiting about half a mile after the line so you got chance to slow down..

not when your half way thru your lap when the caution comes out every one instantly brake, which 5 noobs did which i led me to slam into the back of them.

This isn't a NASCAR game, this isn't anything other than New Dimension Racing's Kyoto 250. We set the rules and enforce them. We tend to base most of them off of NASCAR rules, but we have implemented the NASCAR rule of no racing to the caution as they have now. The rule only states that: That the caution freezes the fielf (as best as we can by limitations of Timing and Scoring in LFS). It is up to the drivers to correctly slow down under the caution. I tend to remind people of how we expect them to handle Cautions when called. To reiterate them here, and will be further posted by me in the Notices thread:

We expect that drivers will heed the administrator called cautions and any yellow flags displayed automatically by Live for Speed. We expect that they will not make any sudden, drastic changes in speed or direction in reaction to these, except in cases where such actions are required to avoid contact with other cars. We expect that drivers not near the source of the problem gradually lift off the throttle, and slow down to a speed around half of normal speed.

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Quote from Stefani24 :

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You didn't help organisers much by chatting in race.
Personally, if you would be in my league, chatting THAT much, you would get banned and i would be thinking about letting you in next race.

Btw. i saw many other drivers who would need more practice on oval, this is not normal racing circuit, you need to cooperate with others, not just pass by at all cost, leaving others in dust and blood.

I think organisation was good, except for that loooong Q and i would welcome harder entry requirements, because we don't need to spend most of KY250 race behind SC.

EDIT: Btw. i think one practice could be spend with driving behind SC and practicing flying starts, that was also big pain today imo.

Quote from Stefani24 :

The Safety Car Behaviour from the ppl was terrible.
Couldnt hold a speed, was always between 120 and 70 but never 90.
and a coution for a simple 360 to give isnt really useful on a test event.
And the qual system was just /facepalm
Your organisation skills arent that bad, you jsut fail on the 250 evry year.
Why? just tell me why.

The SC held the speed desigated using a setup with gears set for the speed. It us up to the drivers to stay within a reasonable distance of that speed and give a reasonable gap to other drivers.

There was quite a bit of weaving...it appeared to be that there weren't (m)any incidents caused by the weaving, which I could attribute to the excellent driving skills of those doing so.

The qualifying error was due to a miscalculation on my part. The program can do multiple options for the dispatch time, I happened to select the one that was incorrect for the session.

I sometimes will tend to be a bit more liberal in throwing cautions in practice races, if for the sole reason of seeing how people behave under them. SC periods tend to be the biggest fail point of any league in LFS, so the more practice in them, the better.

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Race Results and replay have been added to the op.

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Hmm people need just calm down during SC , i get penetrated from behind all the time during SC ,so they don't get safe distance.
Another one ,i realized ,that people when yellow flag appears they think "ohh there is my chance to make some place good" so thats wrong ,foot from trottle and watch out for falling/crashing cars.

And one queston Deko: Is overtaking before start/finish line during green flag phase alowed?

Quote from BranislavS :

Hmm people need just calm down during SC , i get penetrated from behind all the time during SC ,so they don't get safe distance.
Another one ,i realized ,that people when yellow flag appears they think "ohh there is my chance to make some place good" so thats wrong ,foot from trottle and watch out for falling/crashing cars.

And one queston Deko: Is overtaking before start/finish line during green flag phase alowed?

Once the green flag is out, you may overtake freely.

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Top speed by 6km/h

OK deko ,thanks for clearing out

I made up about 10 spots at the start xD.

That was one weird race Spun myself somehow while warming up my tires, got a bit too hard on the throttle I think. Final turn was extreme... NightFly taken out by Kaw and both doing weird moves in front of me. At least the race made me laugh evily on vent.