in the end, the house always wins..
True in principle, but its knowing what to play, and when to play it, which my mate does most of the time.
If you always look for a particular machine to play, then it isn't that hard (so im told) to tell if its dead or not, my mate said that with something like a, lets say £25 jackpot machine with repeat chance on the JP, you can usually tell after 2 or 3 quid weather its gonna pay soon or not by the way it plays.
There are some very subtle things that the machine will do to let you know its going to pay very soon as well, the key is spotting them. Some machines, the machine name at the top will flash a couple of times, or turn red, but without making any noise. Some machines, a button will flash down at the bottom by the reels, sometimes it will be the cancel button, on alot of barcrest ones the barcrest button will flash twice very quickly and the chances are you won't notice if you are on the board, or doing hi-lo gambles further up the machine, as you wont be looking at the reels.
Some machines will keep giving you small wins that just roll in, and getting you on the board or bigger features and killing you, which is normally enough to put off the average player, who may have put in £10, collected £15 or so off smaller wins and features, got bored of getting killed on the board and be happy with that.
A machine will only pay when it wants to, and deliberately ignoring things like, getting the amount of nudges you need to spin in a small win and deliberately not nudging it in, ignoring features, gambling small wins away for a while and deliberately losing like that can sometimes make a machine more likely to pay, because it wanted to pay all those smaller wins out earlier that were ignored, and because the machine is set to pay 78% it will sometimes go nuts and give jackpot, but even that is worth ignoring sometimes as mega streak is sometimes worth more than the JP itself.
Plus there are the old tricks that most people know for smaller wins, the three holds rule for example.
You have lets say a '7' on reel 1, something else on reel 2, and another '7' on reel 3.
If it gives you the hold option, you hold the 2 sevens, if it holds again then hold them again.
Most people wouldn't bother holding them again on the 3rd time, as they will think its never gonna come in this time because it didnt twice before, but if you do hold them again it WILL roll in another seven for a win.
This can often be had for £1 or so on most machines.
Observing someone playing is invaluable as well. See what they put in, what they collect, what features they get etc.. plus any tell tale signs the machine did that went un-noticed can be very useful.
It happened a couple of months back. My mate and i were in a chip shop waiting for our food and he noticed a guy playing a little £25er in the corner. The guy pumped in about £10, kept getting on the board and losing, and my mate saw it flash, twice. We got our food and went back to the car which was just outside the door. The guy pumped about £5 more in, collected £2, got his food and went. My mate went back in, put in £4, and walked off with the JP, then it repeated and he got it again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
You can be jammy though, just walk up to a machine to waste some time, press some buttons without really paying attention and just win big.
Knowledge does help, alot! And having a refill key which tells you how full they are, and what they have paid is good too, and totally legal, just frowned upon, and will get you kicked out of places
If you always look for a particular machine to play, then it isn't that hard (so im told) to tell if its dead or not, my mate said that with something like a, lets say £25 jackpot machine with repeat chance on the JP, you can usually tell after 2 or 3 quid weather its gonna pay soon or not by the way it plays.
There are some very subtle things that the machine will do to let you know its going to pay very soon as well, the key is spotting them. Some machines, the machine name at the top will flash a couple of times, or turn red, but without making any noise. Some machines, a button will flash down at the bottom by the reels, sometimes it will be the cancel button, on alot of barcrest ones the barcrest button will flash twice very quickly and the chances are you won't notice if you are on the board, or doing hi-lo gambles further up the machine, as you wont be looking at the reels.
Some machines will keep giving you small wins that just roll in, and getting you on the board or bigger features and killing you, which is normally enough to put off the average player, who may have put in £10, collected £15 or so off smaller wins and features, got bored of getting killed on the board and be happy with that.
A machine will only pay when it wants to, and deliberately ignoring things like, getting the amount of nudges you need to spin in a small win and deliberately not nudging it in, ignoring features, gambling small wins away for a while and deliberately losing like that can sometimes make a machine more likely to pay, because it wanted to pay all those smaller wins out earlier that were ignored, and because the machine is set to pay 78% it will sometimes go nuts and give jackpot, but even that is worth ignoring sometimes as mega streak is sometimes worth more than the JP itself.
Plus there are the old tricks that most people know for smaller wins, the three holds rule for example.
You have lets say a '7' on reel 1, something else on reel 2, and another '7' on reel 3.
If it gives you the hold option, you hold the 2 sevens, if it holds again then hold them again.
Most people wouldn't bother holding them again on the 3rd time, as they will think its never gonna come in this time because it didnt twice before, but if you do hold them again it WILL roll in another seven for a win.
This can often be had for £1 or so on most machines.
Observing someone playing is invaluable as well. See what they put in, what they collect, what features they get etc.. plus any tell tale signs the machine did that went un-noticed can be very useful.
It happened a couple of months back. My mate and i were in a chip shop waiting for our food and he noticed a guy playing a little £25er in the corner. The guy pumped in about £10, kept getting on the board and losing, and my mate saw it flash, twice. We got our food and went back to the car which was just outside the door. The guy pumped about £5 more in, collected £2, got his food and went. My mate went back in, put in £4, and walked off with the JP, then it repeated and he got it again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
You can be jammy though, just walk up to a machine to waste some time, press some buttons without really paying attention and just win big.
Knowledge does help, alot! And having a refill key which tells you how full they are, and what they have paid is good too, and totally legal, just frowned upon, and will get you kicked out of places
Simply not true, and at least in austria illegal. There are no signs that show if a machine is winning. That would be against the very principle that random chance or luck is the deciding factor. Not to mention that it would be fraud.
Going by flashing lights or even watching a machine to see if it pays out is about as sensical as only to gamble without wearing underpants...
Those who claim to know "how it works" are just trying to convince themselves to play on against their better judgement. It is a form of addiction.
Going by flashing lights or even watching a machine to see if it pays out is about as sensical as only to gamble without wearing underpants...
Those who claim to know "how it works" are just trying to convince themselves to play on against their better judgement. It is a form of addiction.
Except it's impossible for something man-made to be totally random - I would imagine there ARE little indicators that, with experience, probably push the odds in your favour...
If you have watched somebody pump lets say £50 into a machine and it hasn't paid, or the player didnt collect, then maths and logic both suggest that you have a higher chance of winning.
And, well in the UK anyway, some machines DO flash when they are about to give jackpot, trust me, i have seen it with my own eyes. On this particular machine, you cant possibly lose once it has flashed at the top, even if you try to, as my mate shows here when someone he knows was playing and was going to collect jackpot incase he lost trying to get megastreak, which can give you more than the jackpot, and this is proven, twice. -----> part 1, my mate starts to help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdpi-mvdCA&NR=1
and the double flash and double megastreak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0unS13_MuLw
Exactly jakg, but you have to know the machines really well to spot it, as the tell tales are easily missed, and are different on every machine. I know of a machine where a tiny little light comes on and then goes out after about 2 seconds, it doesnt even flash to get your attention.
Plenty claim to know and don't, but there are some people who DO know, plus my mates dad used to work for barcrest, who make machines, so pretty much any barcrest that is 3 years old or older, he can nail pretty much every time.
And, well in the UK anyway, some machines DO flash when they are about to give jackpot, trust me, i have seen it with my own eyes. On this particular machine, you cant possibly lose once it has flashed at the top, even if you try to, as my mate shows here when someone he knows was playing and was going to collect jackpot incase he lost trying to get megastreak, which can give you more than the jackpot, and this is proven, twice. -----> part 1, my mate starts to help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdpi-mvdCA&NR=1
and the double flash and double megastreak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0unS13_MuLw
Exactly jakg, but you have to know the machines really well to spot it, as the tell tales are easily missed, and are different on every machine. I know of a machine where a tiny little light comes on and then goes out after about 2 seconds, it doesnt even flash to get your attention.
Plenty claim to know and don't, but there are some people who DO know, plus my mates dad used to work for barcrest, who make machines, so pretty much any barcrest that is 3 years old or older, he can nail pretty much every time.
Nope, modern computer based slot machines have to be as random as scientifically possible. They are very strictly controlled by the governement.
Also, I was responsible for 18 slot machines, which meant that I payed out the wins, I checked the balance and I emptied the cash boxes. In short: I knew when which mashine won, how much it won and how much money was put in it, and there was know way in hell to see a pattern without using serious math skills and computers. There's no way that anyone can possibly know when a machine is winning, especially without all the detailed inside info.
Also, I was responsible for 18 slot machines, which meant that I payed out the wins, I checked the balance and I emptied the cash boxes. In short: I knew when which mashine won, how much it won and how much money was put in it, and there was know way in hell to see a pattern without using serious math skills and computers. There's no way that anyone can possibly know when a machine is winning, especially without all the detailed inside info.
Your'e 100% right about that, big money machines with computer generated boards cannot be manipulated or predicted as far as anyone knows, im talking about regular machines like these...http://www.advanceleisure.net/ ... allery/tdoubledragon2.jpg
things like reelking 500 and pots of gold which are computer generated are just pure luck, plus if you have seen someone put a LOT of money in one of them and walk way, it gives you slightly more chance of a win by putting a relitively small amount of money in because it simply stands to reason that a fuller machine is more likely to pay than one that has just had a big win taken from it.
things like reelking 500 and pots of gold which are computer generated are just pure luck, plus if you have seen someone put a LOT of money in one of them and walk way, it gives you slightly more chance of a win by putting a relitively small amount of money in because it simply stands to reason that a fuller machine is more likely to pay than one that has just had a big win taken from it.
Now I don't know what the UK legislation is on gambling, but here in Austria, and I guess all across the EU (which would include the UK), no matter how "big" the machine is, the chance to win has to be totally unrelated to the money that is in it, and unrelated to any previous wins. Also, if it hints that there's a win coming up, it can't be based on chance, it would be predetermined, which would make it fraud.
Also it basically comes down to propability calculation. To make it easier, let's use a dice as an example.
A person does throw a dice numerous times without ever scoring a six. Now you take the dice. Now you'd think that the more often a dice is thrown, the more likely it is to score a six.
But every single throw has the exact same chance of scoring a 6 as a dice has no memory. Thus, no matter how often somebody has thrown it, you have the same chances to win as if you'd taken a "fresh" dice.
How can that be?? if that were the case then machines and would run empty if there isnt any relation to how much money has been put in it to how much, and how often it pays.
Thats the whole point of machines, that they HAVE pay out a set percentage of what they have taken. If someone has pumped it full of money and collected very little, it will go fairly easily and you can have jackpot if you know what your doing because the percentage is getting higher with no, or very few wins having been taken from it, and eventually it has to pay once it reaches that percentage.
Once a machine has had a big win taken from it, or is nearly empty, then it needs to take more money back again in order for the cash, and therefore the percentage, to build back up.
Simple really.
How can you compare a dice to a fruit machine anyway??
A dice is not controlled by a computer program, doesn't allow you to change what you have (nudges, let em spin, features.. I could go on..), doesn't have to pay back a percentage by law, and doesnt allow you to change the outcome of anything, (gamble using hi/lo, repeat chance, exchange, again, i could go on...), you roll a dice and thats it.
For somebody who worked in an arcade, your side of this discussion is really weak to be fair.
A dice is not controlled by a computer program, doesn't allow you to change what you have (nudges, let em spin, features.. I could go on..), doesn't have to pay back a percentage by law, and doesnt allow you to change the outcome of anything, (gamble using hi/lo, repeat chance, exchange, again, i could go on...), you roll a dice and thats it.
For somebody who worked in an arcade, your side of this discussion is really weak to be fair.
I used the dice because it's the simplest form of gambling. Of course, machines are more complex, but the basics remain the same. They are not allowed to remember the previous "throw", but they are set on a certain chance. That means, if the chance to win is 98%, it is possible that a machine pays out less than that or more than that, because it's based on chance. The longer you watch it though, the closer it'll be to 98%. That's how propability works.
Also, I gather that those "fruity" machines only pay out what's in them? Because the machines I maintained payed out independent from the actual amount of money in them, as I payed the winners out from the cashier.
Now if they only pay out what's in them, it addas another "layer of luck", meaning that if you win on a machine that hasn't a lot in it, you've bad luck because you win only a little. That would also be the only thing that you can gain knowledge about by watching. Still, the chances to win should be the same, no matter how much money is in them.
On a closing note: gambling is a serious addiction that can and will ruin your life, much like alcohol or drugs.
Also, I gather that those "fruity" machines only pay out what's in them? Because the machines I maintained payed out independent from the actual amount of money in them, as I payed the winners out from the cashier.
Now if they only pay out what's in them, it addas another "layer of luck", meaning that if you win on a machine that hasn't a lot in it, you've bad luck because you win only a little. That would also be the only thing that you can gain knowledge about by watching. Still, the chances to win should be the same, no matter how much money is in them.
On a closing note: gambling is a serious addiction that can and will ruin your life, much like alcohol or drugs.
gambling has more random physics than any TOCA game.. I steer clear of them! well clear! 
And another good night we had up hunstanton on saturday......
***** Usual swearing warning applies. *****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
We went and filled the car right up with fuel with the profits, all of us (him, his missus, me and my missus) went for a nice meal, and were still £20 ahead, then it all went a bit wrong and he ended up pumping £100 in here (after seeing somebody else put in at least £400 in, plus collecting wins of £60 or £70 and putting that back in as well) to get this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
GUTTED!
As others have said, you cant, and don't always win, especially on a computerised board.
***** Usual swearing warning applies. *****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
We went and filled the car right up with fuel with the profits, all of us (him, his missus, me and my missus) went for a nice meal, and were still £20 ahead, then it all went a bit wrong and he ended up pumping £100 in here (after seeing somebody else put in at least £400 in, plus collecting wins of £60 or £70 and putting that back in as well) to get this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
GUTTED!
As others have said, you cant, and don't always win, especially on a computerised board.
We are off to london tomorrow, so plenty more fruit machine videos of good wins are hopefully gonna happen. There may well be some comedy vids as well on the way and on the way back. Oh yeah, it's gonna be gooooooooddd!!!!!
GL, don't lose it all again!
It was good! My mate is about £60 or so up and with his help on what to press when, etc... i was £21 up, so after all the deductions for petrol and stuff for the way back, lots of food, plus my train ticket costs getting round london as well, i am £3 up. Not bad considering i only started with £20 in the first place, and dom only started with £50.
So, tomorrow we will be at hunstanton again to see whats worth playing.
So, tomorrow we will be at hunstanton again to see whats worth playing.
Surely you could have gotten a better profit.. £3 is just "lol" 
well i did have a nice profit on money put in and one out of machines alone, as i had £20 to begin with and a few arcades later i had £41! Then i allowed for everything i spent/bought while i was there and costs of getting there so im still up, which isnt too bad really.
Im just thankful i had my key with me as there was one machine i was gonna hammer as i know its easy as hell to force JP or megastreak on it, but the key allowed me to see that it was £124 away from being full so it had already been hammered (nearly all arcades are covered by groups or individual proper players in london) so i would have had lost big time if i had gone on and tried to force it.
Hunstanton tomorrow anyway, there quite easy to win on down there most of the time, as hardly any proper players, apart from my mate even go down there, its more for families with younger kids as its the seaside and quite small compared to yarmouth or somewhere, which is full of pro players.
We can nail every decent machine for as much as possible on a sunday, go back the next sunday and usually most of them have been played again, so we nail them all once more!
Easy when you know how!
Im just thankful i had my key with me as there was one machine i was gonna hammer as i know its easy as hell to force JP or megastreak on it, but the key allowed me to see that it was £124 away from being full so it had already been hammered (nearly all arcades are covered by groups or individual proper players in london) so i would have had lost big time if i had gone on and tried to force it.
Hunstanton tomorrow anyway, there quite easy to win on down there most of the time, as hardly any proper players, apart from my mate even go down there, its more for families with younger kids as its the seaside and quite small compared to yarmouth or somewhere, which is full of pro players.
We can nail every decent machine for as much as possible on a sunday, go back the next sunday and usually most of them have been played again, so we nail them all once more!
Easy when you know how!
And again last night, we were on fire!!
Cambridge cinema was good......
£8 in on this as we went halves. This one is easy as there are very tiny markings on the reel at the top where the value of your box is if you know where to look, which my mate does. My mate even says what it is in out box on the video before we even press a button.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EZiELqyWzA
5 mins later, £10 in on this, and again, went halves so put in £5 each, it's quite rare for this machine to go up like this from this feature on the board as it usualy lands on a question mark and gives you 'LOSE' but it didn't this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzdBavGY1Do
Home time. Decided to grab a pizza on the way back, and some lad was on the machine in the pizza/kebab shop, it was full as you could hear the coins dropping into the overflow tray at the bottom, but he didnt realise and left it after a few goes. It did take £20 in to get this but it was worth it, as i have never seen it do this before....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7wrSMGizFQ
It was hilarious, Kebab shop blokes eyes lit up once we started pumping it because he could hear the coins dropping as well as we could, and we know for a fact (because we have seen him) that he plays the machine himself after the shop is closed so he was thinking he was going to be quids in when we gave up as we were the last customers of the night, but we didnt give up.
He was grinning all over his face all smug looking when i went back to the car to get more pound coins because he must have thought we were desperate for any half decent board or win so we could leave it and go home, but my mate knew it was gonna go bigtime by the way it was playing so it was well worth the £20 put into it.
Epic night!
Cambridge cinema was good......
£8 in on this as we went halves. This one is easy as there are very tiny markings on the reel at the top where the value of your box is if you know where to look, which my mate does. My mate even says what it is in out box on the video before we even press a button.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EZiELqyWzA
5 mins later, £10 in on this, and again, went halves so put in £5 each, it's quite rare for this machine to go up like this from this feature on the board as it usualy lands on a question mark and gives you 'LOSE' but it didn't this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzdBavGY1Do
Home time. Decided to grab a pizza on the way back, and some lad was on the machine in the pizza/kebab shop, it was full as you could hear the coins dropping into the overflow tray at the bottom, but he didnt realise and left it after a few goes. It did take £20 in to get this but it was worth it, as i have never seen it do this before....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7wrSMGizFQ
It was hilarious, Kebab shop blokes eyes lit up once we started pumping it because he could hear the coins dropping as well as we could, and we know for a fact (because we have seen him) that he plays the machine himself after the shop is closed so he was thinking he was going to be quids in when we gave up as we were the last customers of the night, but we didnt give up.
He was grinning all over his face all smug looking when i went back to the car to get more pound coins because he must have thought we were desperate for any half decent board or win so we could leave it and go home, but my mate knew it was gonna go bigtime by the way it was playing so it was well worth the £20 put into it.
Epic night!
No wonder the fruit machine at the chippy is always empty. :sadbanana
We think we know why it ran out of coins.
When they check the meters on the machines, if one is really full and another is really low on coins, the people who look after the machines will sometimes use the coin dump facility, take some coins out of the really full one to top the emptier one back up again, as its quicker and easier than going and getting some coins from the safe, filling in the paperwork that goes with it, etc..
The machine hopper has had some coins taken out of it, but the machine may still be ready to pay out because using the coin dump doesnt affect the percentage of the machines, then this happens.
When they check the meters on the machines, if one is really full and another is really low on coins, the people who look after the machines will sometimes use the coin dump facility, take some coins out of the really full one to top the emptier one back up again, as its quicker and easier than going and getting some coins from the safe, filling in the paperwork that goes with it, etc..
The machine hopper has had some coins taken out of it, but the machine may still be ready to pay out because using the coin dump doesnt affect the percentage of the machines, then this happens.
You play the fruit machines too much. 
Not me, im just a spectator! Its my mate who knows how to play em, i just get lucky on the rare occasions.
Its still going! My mate, (and me) think it MUST be broken, it should never go like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
As i said to my mate, if it over paying, which it has to be, as it cant play like this every night (it isnt in a busy enough place, [cinema] to have been played enough to be ready to pay again every single night this week) then the people who maintain the machine should realise something is wrong with it.
We have had about £270 to date out of it this week with only about £20 in overall (some vids of last night and tonight aren't up yet) which just doesn't make sense as it should be taking a lot of money back after this amount has been won from it. It must have gone wrong!
Needless to say, we love this machine at the moment!
plus it isnt up to us to tell the owners is it, wer'e winning!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... &feature=channel_page
As i said to my mate, if it over paying, which it has to be, as it cant play like this every night (it isnt in a busy enough place, [cinema] to have been played enough to be ready to pay again every single night this week) then the people who maintain the machine should realise something is wrong with it.
We have had about £270 to date out of it this week with only about £20 in overall (some vids of last night and tonight aren't up yet) which just doesn't make sense as it should be taking a lot of money back after this amount has been won from it. It must have gone wrong!
Needless to say, we love this machine at the moment!
plus it isnt up to us to tell the owners is it, wer'e winning!!
Epic Win!!!
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