Quote from harjun :

Most farmers have vogues, and the car is used for Towing or image, not a Sporty car.

Wait...wut? I've never ever seen a farmer with any form of range rover. Landies yes, but not the fancy pants version. We use a hilux on the farm, and I bet it would tow 3 times more than your range rover (While also doing at least twice your MPG)

Also, you don't need a range rover to pull a car and trailer. God, if it's on road the whole way I bet my Yaris would pull it

lol 15mpg aint that bad when doing all that, weve got a 3.9v8 discovery 1 and when my dad was using that for work(on site it support for the nhs) he was getting 15mpg(the highest we got it was 19 on the london to brighton run) if he was lucky but luckily the milage payment covered it, hes now using an audi a6 avant 1.8 that does 30 odd

edit: oh and dougie towing things isnt just about power etc the vehicle you are using has to weigh enough and if you get trailer snaking on you the heavier the tow vehicle the less you are to crash, the basic laws of phisics dictate that

Quote from harjun :

coming from the person who thinks an X5 is a sporty car...?
Are you like stupid or something.

Emmm your question mark is in the wrong place and G!NhO isn't that dumb AFAIK.

Quote from harjun :

The X5 v8 is the same as in a Range rover. And the early Range rover vogues had BMW engines, which proved to be way more reliable than the vogues with the Jaguar engines a few years later.

BMW engine in Range Rover = fail. No matter what way you look at it, the standard engine is fine and dandy for most jobs, and I think that it would be fine pulling a racing car.

Quote from harjun :

And if you wanted a sporty car you wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a range rover for that price anyway.

You can talk.

Quote from harjun :

Most farmers have vogues

What farmers do you know, ones that you have donated to or have won the lottery?!?! Most I know drive Land Rover Defenders, Hiluxes or something similair.

Quote from harjun :

At least James knows something.

News to me :P

Quote from harjun :

When you are towing a 850kg trailer plus a 1.2 Tonne race car to germany and back, you want a good ride with no worries, and for it to be comfortable.
it only does 15mpg though lol!

Ermmm... I think you would find there are many cars that can do this, cheaper and using less fuel.

They drive the old model of the range rover vouge. That is the Range Rover Vogue SE

Quote from harjun :

coming from the person who thinks an X5 is a sporty car...?

It is, much more sporty than any other soft-roader in it's class, apart from perhaps the Cayenne. Then again, I'd rather have the X5. The Cayenne is uglier than a baboons bottom.

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Most farmers have vogues, and the car is used for Towing or image, not a Sporty car.

Last time I checked they either had tractors or Defenders. The only RR Vouges they've had before are the older ones as Luke.S cunningly pointed out! (damn beaten )

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The supercharged sport is only 1 second faster than the non supercharged one from 0-60...

I'm sure the acceleration times (such as between 50 and 70mph) are much quicker.

Off topic - Buy a diesel one.

Quote from Luke.S :

They drive the old model of the range rover vouge. That is the Range Rover Vogue SE

yeh they do drive that but it brakes down after 20 miles.

And also the Range rover vogue's gearbox will happily tow a jumbo jet up a hill 24/7...Most of you people are just being personal about this becuse the comment is from me...
And also 800kg + 1200KG = 2Tonnes.
What you're towing has to be above 60% (i think it's this) or what car you are in. Its legal in the U.K. and its a law.
Dont think an audi weight over 2 tonnes.

The gearbox of any car/tractor/bicycle will pull anything for you. The clutch will give out long before the gearbox does

Nobody's being personal here (at least, I'm not. I can't speak for others...), you're just being a pillock by claiming that a BMW-engined range rover is necessary to pull another car, which is complete nonsense

Also, that's not a law. It's a guideline. It's also more around the 85% mark. What is the law though, is that the trailer's weight cannot exceed the car's manufacturer's towing limit. (And btw, the Audi doesn't need to weigh 2T in your example. It needs to weigh 1200kg )

Quote from amp88 :

I have an episode of evo car magazine in which they lapped a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S as quickly as a BMW M3 around a test track. I'd say that's sporty...

Quote from Bandit77 :

ahuuu...

did the track have a 5 mile straight, 2 corners and speedbumps?

Quote from piggy501 :

And the M3 stopped for a picnic.

Quote from Luke.S :

And then the M3 driver went to bed and woke up again to finish his lap?

Quote from GothaR_SVK :

Link or not true!

Sorry for the delay, took me a while to find the issue. Well, it appears I was wrong. Sorry everyone. It was actually the Cayenne Turbo, not the Turbo S. The issue in question is evo 055, from May 2003. Scan attached below.

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Quote from harjun :

coming from the person who thinks an X5 is a sporty car...?

AFAIK the X5 (X6 now) has got the best driving characteristics of all SUV's.

And i guess you havent read my earlier comments.

Quote from amp88 :

Sorry for the delay, took me a while to find the issue. Well, it appears I was wrong. Sorry everyone. It was actually the Cayenne Turbo, not the Turbo S. The issue in question is evo 055, from May 2003. Scan attached below.

it's cool that you have this piece of evidence - although I didn't doubt you were telling the truth about this tracktest.
it's just... waaah... it's like the topgear tracktests. I mean - how much does it really say about the car? I tell you:

ONE driver - with his his preferences and his distinctive abilities - is able to lap the cayenne as fast as he laps the M3 around ONE certain track after a couple of laps.

If you took fifty drivers and maybe ten very different tracks and the Cayenne would match the M3's performance, that'd be far more meaningful.

It's also possible he just jumped the Cayenne over some of those corners

Quote from Dajmin :

It's also possible he just jumped the Cayenne over some of those corners

Like this?

True route of Cayenne marked in red.

Quote from Luke.S :

They drive the old model of the range rover vouge. That is the Range Rover Vogue SE

That old girl was far superior to the 'fenders of the time too. Much nicer ride quality and given that Landy used the same 2.5 diesel across the range it was great for towing too. Unfortunately the manual boxes were known to be rubbish and as with all British made vehicles would rust faster than you could drive it. But when in one that still runs it is pure sex.

Just thought I'd point out that the 'fender (and from memory all Landy products) have a rated towing capacity of 3.5 metric tons and some unofficial sources have claimed much more. If your Landy had problems towing a car then it was a problem with your Landy and/or driving ability and not the vehicles lack of ability.

There is a reason why the first vehicle people in the Third World are most likely to see first is a 'fender and why ~85% of all of the 'fenders ever made are still running. They are bloody robust utilitarian vehicles.