community work instead of equations= good community work + eqations(what seems like the most likly) = not so good
cant be asked to argue this anymore, am off to cyprus for a week to relax
cant be asked to argue this anymore, am off to cyprus for a week to relax
and how exactly am i supposed to know that? nevermind that dylslexia is a condition that is often present in conjunction with asperger but not a symptom of asperger
either way claiming that civil service (regardless that 50 hours ie a little over a week is hardly what you could call sacrifice) proves that you live in whats supposedly becoming a dictatorship, being unable to distinguish browns quotes from the words that the bbcs writers added and having problems spelling anything with more than 2 syllables doesnt exactly make you look like youre at all qualified to discuss politics so excuse my misinterpretation
the fact that you said something as idiotic as "the uk government is slowing turing into a multi person dictatorship" still stands though
"oh where are those good old-fashioned values, on which we used to rely!"
Hmm yah, well its the govt's fault for making such a big fuss about parents smacking their kids, whenever I did wrong I used to get a slap on the hand, which made me cry, which made me think twice about doing the same thing again, so I guess it worked. Now parents are too frightened to hit their kids because a doctor went on the ONE show and said it can cause cancer, so now yeah I agree that kids aren't scared about being naughty.
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But I do wonder sometimes about how much the press 'sensationalise' stuff, (Daily Mail especially), making things seem worse than they really are, or maybe the government is doing the whole 'Newspeak' thing and using words to make things sound nicer than they are. Perhaps we shouldn'y just read the BBC and swear by ever word.
OT Question: are the BBC state owned or are they independant of the government?
Oh and 1984 has become as common as comparing people to Hitler now, I hereby declare a scientific law that within 5 minutes of a new government scheme being announced, there is an above 90% chance that comparisons to 1984 will be made, I can't think of a name for this law, because Shaw's Law really does sound rather naff.
Hmm yah, well its the govt's fault for making such a big fuss about parents smacking their kids, whenever I did wrong I used to get a slap on the hand, which made me cry, which made me think twice about doing the same thing again, so I guess it worked. Now parents are too frightened to hit their kids because a doctor went on the ONE show and said it can cause cancer, so now yeah I agree that kids aren't scared about being naughty.
[/old fart voice]
But I do wonder sometimes about how much the press 'sensationalise' stuff, (Daily Mail especially), making things seem worse than they really are, or maybe the government is doing the whole 'Newspeak' thing and using words to make things sound nicer than they are. Perhaps we shouldn'y just read the BBC and swear by ever word.
OT Question: are the BBC state owned or are they independant of the government?
Oh and 1984 has become as common as comparing people to Hitler now, I hereby declare a scientific law that within 5 minutes of a new government scheme being announced, there is an above 90% chance that comparisons to 1984 will be made, I can't think of a name for this law, because Shaw's Law really does sound rather naff.
Because it is not the job of the state to do this. How much simpler can it be?
I don't read the Daily Mail. I have read Nineteen Eighty-Four, but where you see un-neccessary mass hysteria, I see sheer, abject apathy amongst a populace more interested in the talentless twats on Britain's Got Talent than anything that actually affects their lives and future. Apathy that will, if it continues, lead us down a very narrow, very dark road.
I don't want ID cards. I don't want a 50mph national speed limit with GPS tracking on my car to control my speed (and one day, to control my movement). I dont want to be on a database when I go on holiday. I don't want to pay for Jacqui Smith's porn movies or bathplugs, let alone her colleagues second or third homes. I don't want to be hassled or imprisoned by an overly powerful police force that can lock me up for 42 days without trial. I don't want to be arrested for choosing to protest peacefully outside the Houses of Parliament. I don't want to be classed as a terrorist by the infinitely powerful Terrorism Act 2000. I don't want to be snooped on by council staff monitoring CCTV, or have orders barked at me by "talking" CCTV by a faceless authority. I don't want to be arrested because I carry a camera with a long lens, or because I take a photo of the police. I don't want my emails and phonecalls routinely logged. If I commit a crime, I don't want a trial without a jury. I don't want to be filmed and fined for retuning the radio while I drive. I don't want my DNA to be kept on a database when I have neither committed or been charged for a crime.
Do you?
I agree that it should be the job of the parents, but however there is a fairly large number of parents who don't do a damn thing. Kids are killing kids and for one reason or the other they do not care about the consequences nor the possible (if any) punishments. What else is the government to do
. It's a case of damned if they do, damned if they don't.Hahaha, the problem in ths country is that the police aren't well equipped or trained enough, not overly powerful. Seriously; what do they have? A can of Mace, a baton and an important looking name badge, hardly useful against some armed robbers, yeah, they can always call armed police in, but they take time to arrive, by which time its probrably too late. And so the police are restricted to going after pathetic petty criminals just to make it look like they're doing something, or panic and fill innocent people full of lead on a tube train.
And as for the whole London Protest thing, smashing into the Bank of England is not a peaceful protest, and seeing as the Bank of England is currently trying to sort out the recession for us all, rather stupid too.
I bet you 80% of those who protested in London didn't really know or give a shyte about what they were protesting about, they just wanted to have a jolly good fight.
Most of these things I don't mind about, because I have nothing to hide, when people get angry about being watched I often wonder what sinister things they are trying to hide from the govt.
And you really have to be doing some suspicious things to be classed as a terrorist!
I don't mind the govt watching me, so long as they only lock me up if I do something naughty, if they just leave me be as a law abiding citizen, then I have no problem, so far I haven't been accused of terrorism or locked up without a trial; so far, so good then.
When people start getting locked up for suspicious reasons, then I will change my mind.
When I start talking about the power of the police and you start talking about their weapons and firearms, then I fear we're not so much on the same page, but in different parts of the library. You're in the fiction end, hehe
I'm talking about the authority of the police. Their liberty and freedom to stop you or I going about our daily activities at nothing more than a whim or rediculously easily-achieved or unproveable suspicion. Their willingness to arrest, and confiscate/tamper with the property of, political opposition (already happened). Their ability to restrain or subdue people, whether they be protestors in the street or jailing somebody against whom anti-terrorism powers have been used without moral justification (already happens, and the Terrorism Acts are so vague in definition that virtually anything can be, and is, classed as terrorism).
Where did I say I was referencing the recent G20 protests? My memory lasts longer than two weeks. But for the record, the "climate change camp" with the tents pitched in the road was entirely peaceful. I don't agree with what they say and think they're a bunch of liberal pansy hippy tree huggers that should get the **** off the main road, but I agree with their right to protest peacefully without any hint of threat or aggressiveness, and not be charged by a battalion of police in full riot gear.
What happens when it's something you feel so strongly about that you wish to protest to a seemingly deaf government? Do you understand what it means, what the difference is between being able to walk the streets of your own country as a free man and protest peacefully about whatever you want, and not be confronted by a shield and baton?
And from which esteemed source did you derive such a figure?
Your attitude scares me. I think you should move to Zimbabwe. You'll like it there.
Maybe people just don't like to be watched all the time? Maybe people that do nothing wrong like to be free, without interference, without surveillance?
I don't mean to be rude, but are you being facetious, or just obtuse?
And what happens when the law changes? What happens if the government changes and becomes "naughty" themselves?
"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didnt speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
And by that time no one was left to speak up."
Martin Niemöller, c. 1946
Still, nobody has been dragged off to Room 101 for a jolly good torturing yet, but if and when that starts happening, I will change my mind, at the moment we are not living in or moving at any pace towards an Albanian/ Zimbabwean/ Oceania/ whatever cheap comparsion you can think of style government, but when we do start moving that way, I will start complaining.
Well, were the peaceful protestors the ones being confronted by riot police, or was the it majorityof them who were happier mindlessly smashing windows?
Me. My head box to be more precise.
I'm sorry to hear I'm such a frightening indivdual, and maybe I should, I hear the weather and the exchange rates are good there!
What don't they want us to see?
No I just have a different opinion to you, is that so wrong?
And seriously, it's not like everybody is being convicted as a terrorist, you have to be acting pretty suspiciously to get MI5 on your behind, I'm sure, they don't just arrest people for fun.
Every arrest requires 4 days worth of paper work, if I was a copper I would try and keep arrest to a minimum in that case.
Then I shall change my mind, thats when I will start complaining
When they come for the communists, for the simple reason that they are communist, thats when I'll speak up, I have no problem with them coming for the rapists and murderers, which they often do right now, do you?
Why don't you all vote Conservative or Lib Dem at the next general election then? (that is if Brown hasn't passed an Enabling Act banning all opposition parties by then, mwhaha :razz
.Some of you people make me chuckle, you talk as if you are living in a dystopia where the streets are smoking ruins, Brown watches us through our TVs and any dissidents are thrown in jail, the very fact that you can openly criticise the government on this very website and not get thrown in jail shows that this isn't true. In other countries you can get thrown in jail for slagging the govt off on a forum/blog, China for example.
People make it sound as if the Police break down your door and shoot your kids every day, well I haven't seen that happen, perhaps I'm living on another planet? TBH most of you people are just paranoid, blindley following the sensationalist headlines and conspiracy theories that the media feed you, you're not onto something mate, the media just write these stories to sell papers and make money. The truth is, we still live in a largely democratic country, with a free and independant media, fully democratic votes for all over age 18, and I can happily diss the government without being dragged off to Room 101, doesn't sound much like Zimbabwe or Albania to me.
You suggest I should go and live in Zimbabwe, well I suggest you go and live in a real dictatorship, such as China, and then you'll see the real meaning of dictatorship, and then you'll never complain about your comparatively free home country again.
For god's sake, why not just enjoy the good things in life every so often, instead of always worrying andcomplaining about all the bad things in life that the doom and gloom media force feed you?
I love how you're all bitching about this. As said, in Ontario we have to 40 hours in highschool (not before we're 19, in the 4 years we're in highschool) or we don't graduate. Ever. Those 40 hours are not part of our curriculum. It's something we have to do separately, and it must be documented and signed off by someone in the school board and the people we are doing the community service work for.
..And we don't complain. Get over yourselves.
DISCLAIMER: I in no way think 40 hours is a lot, either.
..And we don't complain. Get over yourselves.
DISCLAIMER: I in no way think 40 hours is a lot, either.
Good for you, go get yourself a nice shiny medal.
Seriously, I've been looking for a job, but nobody is hiring in my Town, maybe 'ol Gordo should do something towards creating jobs for people to actually work in. 'Community Service' invokes images of sweeping the streets for nothing, trust me Mr Brown, I'll quite happily work for you, so long as you pay me.
What does frustrate me is that amount of do-gooding that goes on, sometimes the govt just avoid tackling real difficult issues such as high unemployment and unruly children, instead bringing in ineffective policies and schemes. But in no way does that mean Brown is trying to turn himself into the new Mao Zedong, It just means he and his government are lazy.
Seriously, I've been looking for a job, but nobody is hiring in my Town, maybe 'ol Gordo should do something towards creating jobs for people to actually work in. 'Community Service' invokes images of sweeping the streets for nothing, trust me Mr Brown, I'll quite happily work for you, so long as you pay me.
What does frustrate me is that amount of do-gooding that goes on, sometimes the govt just avoid tackling real difficult issues such as high unemployment and unruly children, instead bringing in ineffective policies and schemes. But in no way does that mean Brown is trying to turn himself into the new Mao Zedong, It just means he and his government are lazy.
I think the reason for a lot of these 'innefective schemes' is because the govt. is expected to rush together solutions to whatever the tabloids have decided is The Most Important Thing this week, meaning that nothing really gets properly considered and sorted out anymore, just a quick, cheap, temporary thing to shut the papers up until the story stops making them money and they forget it was ever an issue and move onto something else. Which again, has to be sorted out Right Now because it's The Most Important Thing.
I absolutely DESPISE the media in this country. *They're* the root of the problems.
I absolutely DESPISE the media in this country. *They're* the root of the problems.
Stop whining just do the friggen hours. 40 hours is far from communism... If he asked for 500 hours per year from everyone in the country, then maybe. 40 hours before your 19.... no one will even notice they did them... You can easily get rid of it during the summer or in a month during weekends.
Why don't you actually read what I've typed?
I never said that doing 40 hours was communism, I said it wasn't communism, READ boy, READ.
And I'd happily do my bit for my country, but I'd at least like a bit of money in return, not asking for much is it?
Readings for losers! :P
Why not do it for free? They're not employing you, your sopose to help an organization or watever that doesn't make money for what they do but rather helps ppl in need. Community centers, Homeless places where they serve food, summer camps for kids, etc.
Why not do it for free? They're not employing you, your sopose to help an organization or watever that doesn't make money for what they do but rather helps ppl in need. Community centers, Homeless places where they serve food, summer camps for kids, etc.
Well, I have done a bit of collecting for charity, does that count?
But still, It'd be nice to actually have a paid job, and I'd love Mr Brown to see what he can do to sort that out, because there doesn't seem to be any jobs round here.
You've kind of hit the nail on the head there, we see the govt as this mean all powerful dictatorship, but it's actually the bitch of the media, wasn't it said that it was the Sun that lost Kinnock and The Labour Party the general election or something like that all those years ago?
5haz with what money is Brown going to give you a job with?
Nah, what I mean Is I'm sure Brown could do/ could have done something to encourage private businesses to create more jobs for people?
?? Like what exactly?
Tax reduction for every new employee! 
(jk btw, not serious -_-)
(jk btw, not serious -_-)
That is the point he was making. There is no fear of punishment these days, even when I was in school it was just before pussification so you wouldn't dear hit anyone in fear of the punishment. Kids today have never had that, so will hit out at anyone with no fear of what follows because Labour have pussified the country.
If I found out one of my rats hit a teacher or some such, they best never come home again or they'd lose the ability to walk, but there are too many parents who go into schools at attack the teachers if the child was given a detention.
There is a code in schools they place on some records PPP, it means Piss Poor Parenting. I'd put £5 on the fact you had that mark.
The used term "Voluntary Work" has to be considered descriptional more then anything else and can therefore be used, IMO.
We´re once more are raising a generation of egoists, aren´t we? Calling for parents since years, but they´re too busy these days with their own, loads of these from the outside generated, problems and their lifes in general. They a kind of have failed and gouvernment can´t build prisons forever, can they? Action is needed here.
These 40 hours are a good idea as it will, for some few hours only, teach younger people more then their teacher in school, due to many reasons, would be able to archieve anyways. Finally, at the end of the day these young people will find it a most interesting experience, who know´s.
We´re once more are raising a generation of egoists, aren´t we? Calling for parents since years, but they´re too busy these days with their own, loads of these from the outside generated, problems and their lifes in general. They a kind of have failed and gouvernment can´t build prisons forever, can they? Action is needed here.
These 40 hours are a good idea as it will, for some few hours only, teach younger people more then their teacher in school, due to many reasons, would be able to archieve anyways. Finally, at the end of the day these young people will find it a most interesting experience, who know´s.
please tell me youre infertile or never plan on having kids
"If I found out one of my rats hit a teacher or some such, they best never come home again or they'd lose the ability to walk"
Shotglas: You think he´s talking "animal-rats" here?
P5YcHoM4N, so you´d hit them because they hit somebody else? Why not trying to teach them HOW to behave instead of how NOT to behave? Or do I misunderstand ..
Shotglas: You think he´s talking "animal-rats" here?
P5YcHoM4N, so you´d hit them because they hit somebody else? Why not trying to teach them HOW to behave instead of how NOT to behave? Or do I misunderstand ..
You don't understand. He hits a teacher, ask him how he hit him. If he kicked him, you hit his legs till he cant kick a teacher for a month. If he punched him, karate chop his arms till he cant move them for a month. It works!
Gordon Brown : Slavery to be re-instituted. Welcome to Communist Albania.
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