I remember long ago when watching initial D Ryosuke made a note when Takumi vsed an AE86 Turbo. He noted that the Ae86 Turbo twitched the car from side to side the hide the Turbo Lag, now i didnt really understand what he meant by this, anyone care to explain?

heres the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6bMiHwDpRQ

and does this apply to LFS in terms of the XRT and all the other Turbo Powered cars?

He means that he doesn't let go off the throttle even if the rear wheels have poor traction so that he doesn't lose the turbo boost

so basically flat shifting?
but wouldnt twitching the car make the traction worse by wearing the tyres as he twitches?

I don't think it's flatshifting, it's more like don't let go off the throttle and try to control it with the steering wheel.Plus it's an anime so you can't compare it to how tires would behave in real life, the story must go on.

the turbo is usually spooled up by exhaust fumes, so your engine will need to be at a highish RPM before the turbo will start to kick in, hence turbo lag. There are many MANY variations and settings you can change to make this worse, better, more responsive, more powerful , etc. But that is teh very basic gist of it.

So when you let off the accelerator, there will be less exhaust fumes, which in turn slows the turbo down, it then takes some time to get back up to full speed, this is effectively the turbo lag. Also the blow off valve will release any excess pressure to avoid damage to the engine. So when you let off the accelerator, 80%+ of the turbo pressure is released.

Back to your original question, if you don't let off while changing gear, you keep the boost pressure running, so no loss of power engine wise, but your wheels will probably spin up a little bit, this would be very noticable in 2nd and maybe 3rd gear, but not so bad in 4th/5th gear (or higher).

Theres loads of things to check out that LFS doesn't have that change turbo's alot, such as anti-lag, and BR limiters, I've probably not explained things here the best I can, but i'm at work and its early in the morning

A bit offtopic, but I think LFS needs a turbo single-seater

...Guess what? There's already a turbo-ed single seater, named MRT .

Thanks for your link!
I am interesting about it.
It is useful!

Quote from OZRacing :

I remember long ago when watching initial D Ryosuke made a note when Takumi vsed an AE86 Turbo. He noted that the Ae86 Turbo twitched the car from side to side the hide the Turbo Lag, now i didnt really understand what he meant by this, anyone care to explain?

heres the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6bMiHwDpRQ

and does this apply to LFS in terms of the XRT and all the other Turbo Powered cars?

initial D isnt real life, how many times must i f*cking say this ?


Idiots. Pure idiots.


No offense, but anime and real life are two Totally different things or can you still tell the difference ?

Quote from theirishnoob :

No offense, but anime and real life are two Totally different things or can you still tell the difference ?

LIES

next time you have such a question, he might help you:

Ayrton Senna used to blip-blip-blip the throttle to keep the turbo spooled up through a corner.

Watch his footwork in the NSX-R It's just a habit at this point.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

NSX is n/a. :doh:

Ya I know, but with so much time in an F1 car it'd be habit.

O_O

Where'd my post go.
I thought you was trying to say the NSX is a turbo. Nevermind.

seriously, I don't think this has anything to do with being used to spool up the turbo.

and how much of the time Ayrton was an F1 driver was in the turbo era?
He started in 1984 and in 1988 turbos were gone. 1994 he died.

why are the last 20 threads based on this stupid anime series?

the tap tap thingy of senna had nothing to do with turbo he was doing that to avoid loosing traction when accelerating, he was a kind of human tc lol.

Quote from John5200 :

why are the last 20 threads based on this stupid anime series?

O cuz all you see is better no?

Dont insult what other ppl like...

Well i tried but can't take it serious neither man.
This is race sim, a sim simulates reallife, not cartoons? Understand it.

Quote from Inouva :

Dont insult what other ppl like...

Why not?

I'm sure some people "like" killing other people, for example.

This isnt going anywhere since some idiots can bring out posts without insulting other people wich is just a sighn of how dumb they realy are.
The guys im talking about know al whel that im talking about them amd they should be asheamed of themselves judging somebuddy on what he likes wich in the case of anime or spongebob or whatever does no harm.

I think Ryoske ment flat shifting.

@riel wrong!!!!
It doenst simulate fear or the feel of speed in any siome even moition sims fail at it wich is like the biggest part of what should be simulated but whatever.
Why do i even bother when im going to get flamed...

Quote from Kazu2799 :

the tap tap thingy of senna had nothing to do with turbo he was doing that to avoid loosing traction when accelerating, he was a kind of human tc lol.

The only reason Senna got away with it was because of biblical car control. Take for instance the NSX video. You can see just in his hands that if he had a smooth throttle application he would have come off the corner better in some cases because his tapping habit left him late on the throttle on a couple corners. No driver is perfect. Senna's strength was his amazing ability to gauge sideways traction. Tap-tap-tapping the throttle will unsettle a car and disrupt it's slip angle, in any drive configuration. Senna knew exactly how it would affect his car and he anticipated it, so he was able to do it.

How many racing drivers do you see getting sideways on exit, hmm? Senna was sideways a lot more than most... Keeping traction off the apex is, in my opinion, the easiest part of the corner, provided you did the corner right. If the apex, speed, slip angle, and turn in are all good, then the exit will happen by itself when compared to the work required to coordinate an entry.

If tapping the throttle was the fastest way from apex to exit then you'd see every racing school this side of Saturn teaching it, like heel-and-toe, but you don't, so it isn't.

I say again, he tapped to keep the turbo up. Try it before you dismiss it. The way most people do it now is by left-foot trail braking and accelerating against partial brake well before the apex. It's hard on the brakes and the drive line but it's the most consistent way of doing, because not too many people have Sennalike car control skills.