Quote from harjun :

mate but they make a frikkin hell of a different believe me its basically the first thing you put on a track car!

Yes they allow you to travel a little bit faster in a non-competitive environment whilst wearing out a lot quicker and costing a lot more in the first place.

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And theres lots of other stuff, if you want a good track car get an S14 because its the cheapest and the fastest.

For the £7000 you suggest he spends on a £400 road car with no roll cage or shell preparation you could easily go and buy a single seater with spares and a trailer to tow it with. Or frankly you could go and by any well sorted racing hot hatch/saloon and blow and badly built over weight road car away on both pace and performance.

Touching the engine should be the last thing on the list. Anything other than a cheap set of dampers and anti-roll bars is going to be lost on a car without a rollcage and the idea of spending £2000 on a set of wheels and road tyres is ridiculous. For £7000 you could buy and prepare a decent Silvia, buying the cheapest car you can find is a false economy, putting a full cage and doing neccessary shell work is the starting point if you're going to build a good car.

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Forget MX5s and other stuff, those are mostly heavy stuff which are hard to work on, an S14 is a well known car, lots of forums on it lots of people own it, and when you get bored of racing you can always take it for a quick drift too!

...and you prove how clueless you are, the kerb weight for a mk. 1 MX5 is 940kg, you'll struggle to get a fully stripped Silvia to get anywhere close to the MX5 with every bit of trim and equipment it left the factory with.

Stripped corsa with a C20XE. Stip it, fit a harness and a good seat and a roll cage. Decent coilover set and some decent tyres and then polybush it and your sorted.

Should cost you no more than £1000-1500 if you do all the work yourself.

E: Oops, i forgot to mention another thing. Get some good discs and pads and brake lines, and uprate the fuel pump (you may aswell do the lines too) as you will most likely suffer from fuel starvation on the standard pump.

Quote from brt900 :

the suspension on the car now is a piece of crap tbh its pretty old. the alloys are wider than current for better tryes the semi slicks where too expensive £70 each so the high performance road tires where a better option. please feel free to adjust the sheet to how you would price it and that goes to everyone please feel free to do it with a different car

First give it a good service, an air filter, oil change, radiator flush and timing belt change are absolutely essential if you're going to push a car hard, should be able to get the lot done for around £80 including necessary timing tools, if you don't then you're not going to get very far. Changing the water pump and accessory belt is also sensible if you're not on a shoestring budget.

Then concentrate on safety bits, rollcage, harnesses and bucket seats can all be picked up cheap second hand if you're happy to take the risk with them. The roll cage must be at least CDS seamless steel for basic safety, do not go near seamed or stainless cages. How far you go with the cage is up to you for track days but if you want to develop the car connecting the cage to both struts is essential for strength, a good strut brace will also make a difference.

Leave the suspension completely standard to begin with, if bits need replacing then replace them with standard parts, with the possible exception of poly bushes if you can afford them. At a later stage fitting adjustable dampers may be worthwhile, but only if the car is stiff enough in the first place.

Leave the wheels standard size, or if anything reduce their size to reduce your gearing. Wide wheels are, just like semi-slick tyres, completely pointless on a track day car, the slower the thing is at the limit the better with you as a complete novice.

The engine, brakes and fuel system should be fine left standard, far too many people spend all their money taking the approach Nathan is suggesting and end up with a bag of shit to drive.

Nova... Yes I know what you are thinking. There is someone with one on SSS purely for track days and it will keep up with an Evo lol. He has put a different engine in the back and it's also RWD... Think it cost him a lot to do though.

E30... Cheap as chips as mainly they have a lot of rust in places you don't want but, if it's going to be a track car, you'll probably have it strengthened anyway.

How about an old sierra, capri, astra, vectra... There is a lot of possibiliies. If I was to build a track car though, I think I would go for a westfield with a busa engine lol.

Also, the E30 touring is suppose to make a good track car as they are suppose to have very good weight distribution.

does anyone know any website or companies that sell aftermarket parts ive looked at dmeon tweeks and driftworks

Quote from ajp71 :

The engine, brakes and fuel system should be fine left standard, far too many people spend all their money taking the approach Nathan is suggesting and end up with a bag of shit to drive.

Not quite.

If he really wanted to do track days and enjoy them, then uprating the fuel pump and fitting new lines would benefit him. Anything less than half a tank, and he would most likely suffer fuel starvation when chucking the car round the corners, and i dont think i need to explain to you why.

Sure, he does'nt need to do what i suggested (and why would he end up with a "bag of shit to drive" as you so nicely put it? Care to explain?.) but he would definetely need to at least fit some better pad's and discs to the car if he can afford it, which should actually be one of the first things he should do along with a good service and check over of the car.

I also dont agree with you about keeping the suspension standard. Im not saying for BRT to go all out on a coilover setup or to skimp it and fit crappy springs, but standard suspension on a car within BRT's budget (which will most likely be a cheap hack of the 80's or 90's era) will have worn, soft suspension so it seems very pointless to replace the car with standard suspension if it needs to be changed. If he fitted some coilovers and got a geometry and alignment setup, then the car would benefit alot more, as would his experience on the track.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Not quite.

If he really wanted to do track days and enjoy them, then uprating the fuel pump and fitting new lines would benefit him. Anything less than half a tank, and he would most likely suffer fuel starvation when chucking the car round the corners, and i dont think i need to explain to you why.

Sure, he does'nt need to do what i suggested (and why would he end up with a "bag of shit to drive" as you so nicely put it? Care to explain?.) but he would definetely need to at least fit some better pad's and discs to the car if he can afford it, which should actually be one of the first things he should do along with a good service and check over of the car.

I also dont agree with you about keeping the suspension standard. Im not saying for BRT to go all out on a coilover setup or to skimp it and fit crappy springs, but standard suspension on a car within BRT's budget (which will most likely be a cheap hack of the 80's or 90's era) will have worn, soft suspension so it seems very pointless to replace the car with standard suspension if it needs to be changed. If he fitted some coilovers and got a geometry and alignment setup, then the car would benefit alot more, as would his experience on the track.

i would definatly be uprating the brakes i will be getting a cavalier sri rear beam and fitting it to the corsa so i have discs all round then be fitting vented discs and green stuff pads

Quote from brt900 :

i would definatly be uprating the brakes i will be getting a cavalier sri rear beam and fitting it to the corsa so i have discs all round then be fitting vented discs and green stuff pads

Sounds good.

You going for a corsa then?

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Sounds good.

You going for a corsa then?

well i would consider another car thats rwd for a bit of tail action if i can find a pretty good rwd or awd car id get one but the corsa is on the drive and itll be free but if my dad can get the £2000 scrappage bonus then hell be getting rid of it

Oh right.

It all depends on what you want to get out of the car and the track experience. If you went for something like a Corsa/Fiesta or any kind of small FWD econo box, then parts like suspension and brakes would be cheap, and it would not take alot of money to get a nice handling, fun car. The only problem would be the fact that its FWD and wont be as fun as a RWD.

A RWD car would definitely be better for you to learn about car control imo. People may have a different opinion to me, but imo, its pointless getting a FWD car and learning to drive it and control it well and learning its limits, only for you to step into a RWD or AWD car, and having to learn the ropes all over again. If you can afford to get a cheap RWD car, then i say go for it. Dont be drifting though. You'll get booted off the track.

*Just to add so people dont shout at me. Im referring to a track enviroment on my above statement. On the road, obviously it is better to get a slow, safe car to learn about how to drive properly on the roads with other drivers. Atleast with a track, your less likely to hit something, and if you do, the consequences wont be as severe as public roads.*

i just cant find any good cheap tunable rwd cars escorts are like £2k+ cortinas arent that tunable and bmw's are on the limit of my price range.
i would really like a rwd car or awd

RWD will be a little more expensive.

Whats your budget? I'll do a quick search as i've got some time to kill as i dont start work until another hour.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

RWD will be a little more expensive.

Whats your budget? I'll do a quick search as i've got some time to kill as i dont start work until another hour.

haha jus something cheap really id say max about 1000-1200

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1133628.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1086274.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1116402.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1136785.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1127852.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1153054.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1155398.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1127213.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1138535.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1157820.htm

Not exactly the best examples to show you. hehe.

I think the best out of that bunch would be the MR2 and the 205 GTI. There abit upwards of your budget though.

The old fiesta would be a good one too. Alot of engine swaps are easy to do in the old fiestas, like 2.0 mondeo engines which are about 150hp, which in a small, light fiesta, would be fun. Or you could fit a CVH turbo from the Escort/Fiesta RST, which could see 200hp with some fettling. It all depends what you want.

lol the most important thing i think most people overlook

you first upgrade to any track day car MUST BE ur brake pads and brake fluid i can not stress enough how important this is standed pads on most road cars will start to fade on ur 2nd high speed lap and the fluid will boil and become useless around 5-9 laps and you will have allmost no braking what so ever.

so please get some EBC red,yellows or something to that extent befor your first outing

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1133628.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1086274.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1116402.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1136785.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1127852.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1153054.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1155398.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1127213.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1138535.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1157820.htm

Not exactly the best examples to show you. hehe.

I think the best out of that bunch would be the MR2 and the 205 GTI. There abit upwards of your budget though.

The old fiesta would be a good one too. Alot of engine swaps are easy to do in the old fiestas, like 2.0 mondeo engines which are about 150hp, which in a small, light fiesta, would be fun. Or you could fit a CVH turbo from the Escort/Fiesta RST, which could see 200hp with some fettling. It all depends what you want.

The e36s are a good choise too and theyre good driftcars

i wouldnt really be doing any drifting ive looked at the cars you posted nathan there pretty good ill show my dad them later the brakes will have green stuff pads i dont know what discs yet

How much time have u spent driving? Since ur 15 i guess not much?...

Why not learn to drive a normal car first then mod it?.... It took me ages to learn to drive my standard Cav Sri 16v on the limits after i passed my test...


Why not get a Corsa 1.4 Sport to start with... Then you can drop a small block 1.8 16v out of a Mk4 astra straight in using all th Corsa mounts when you need it....

Sending £4k or getting over 180bhp for ur first time driving is stupid and dangerous if you have never really driven a car much or had one balancing on the edge over 110..... It doesnt take much to overcook it and smash into someones new Evo or Ferrari.... Theres no Shift-P IRL.....

Or something like this... If its still there.....

http://www.vauxhallownersnetwo ... k/showthread.php?t=186382

Good for 135-140Mph... Supposedly....

[Brakes]

The green stuff are much better than stock brakes, but that`s about it.
The answer for "trackday car, greenstuff pads?" was "hell no".. when i asked a guy that does this for some time.
You`ll usually find them as good value on automotive forums, dedicated to cars/sporty driving, thing is.. they usually limit to street.

For a trackday car, people recommend this over this.

With DS2500 you have to be careful until you warm them, some say they don`t stop well when cold.
The PF Z-rated have better braking efficiency, they`re ready even when cold for heavy braking, and even cheaper than DS2500, but can be hard(er) to get, as they don`t come in all sizes, and not everyone is willing to change calipers too.

If you fit them with a good quality disc such as the Brembo HC or Brembo MAX disc and braided brake hoses you will have one of the best value upgrades available for the car.

Quote from STF :

[Brakes]

The green stuff are much better than stock brakes, but that`s about it.
The answer for "trackday car, greenstuff pads?" was "hell no".. when i asked a guy that does this for some time.
You`ll usually find them as good value on automotive forums, dedicated to cars/sporty driving, thing is.. they usually limit to street.

For a trackday car, people recommend this over this.

With DS2500 you have to be careful until you warm them, some say they don`t stop well when cold.
The PF Z-rated have better braking efficiency, they`re ready even when cold for heavy braking, and even cheaper than DS2500, but can be hard(er) to get, as they don`t come in all sizes, and not everyone is willing to change calipers too.

If you fit them with a good quality disc such as the Brembo HC or Brembo MAX disc and braided brake hoses you will have one of the best value upgrades available for the car.

Brakes - Yes, they are bloody useful and standard stuff isn't up to hard use.

Seats - yes - standard seats are way too rolly.

Safety - yes it's important, ofc.

Engine - Why? Your not racing, and even some POS will crack a ton if you let it.

I'd pick something RWD - doesn't really matter about power as long as it has 100 hp or more, it'll still feel stupidly fast to drive unless you time it / try to race something.

Quote from brt900 :

hi,
i would like a car for a project to eventually take to trackdays i would like
-something rwd/awd
-something reasonably sized i dont want something tiny or something huge
-lots of aftermarket parts available

ive looked at vauxhall chevvetes westfield caterham etc escort mk2 mk1

EDIT: Doesnt have to be in mint condition as it will be stripped and sprayed.
around 1000 to spend would prefer really cheap as parts will cost a lot

My Sugestions for a Trackish Day car (and cheap as chips If you can find one):-

Opel Manta B GTE
http://www.mantaclub.org/archive/manta_b_late.htm

Vauxhall Carlton GSi 3.0 12/24valve
http://www.autobahnstormers.or ... ible_cars/carlton/gsi.asp

Vauxhall Monza 3.0i
http://www.autobahnstormers.or ... ible_cars/monza/monza.asp

Toyota Starlet RWD
http://www.toyoland.com/cars/starlet.html

Ford Capri MK3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_capri_MK3

Ford Sierra XR4i or XR4x4
http://www.motorbase.com/vehic ... d/-1274004771/index.ehtml
http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-id/-1298613575/

BMW E30
http://www.performance-car-guide.co.uk/bmw-e30.html

Mazda 323 4WD DOHC Turbo
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/323BuyersGuide.htm

Mitsubishi Starion
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.stacey1/history.html

Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 Turbo (RWD)
http://lancerturbo.tripod.com/sejarah.htm

If I can think of anymore I wil update this post

Later

Jon

i have to use the corsa