Quote from carey :

No, maybe when they where V10’s, but the V8’s are rev limited (and continually so) and are more about acceleration.

you misunderstood what does it mean to have poweer "up top", it refers to where the power is in the rev range.

Quote from tristancliffe :

You REALLY don't know what you're talking about do you?!!!!!!!

Its obvious with his comment about ''F2 isn't a good peperation as the power is from higher revs.''

please everything you have said is leaking shit everywhere.

GP2 engines are basically the exact opposite of what an F1 is.

Quote from 5haz :

Nah, V10s had more power and torque, therefore better acceleration.

Perhaps the V8 cars may be quicker through a corner, but thats more likely to be the result of advances in aerodynamics and the reitroduction of slicks, it's hard to tell.

The Aero rules where a bit Relaxed from 2006 so while the cars added about 2 seconds of grip they lost about 3-4 in power and acceleration.

But really this guy has no idea of the torque band on a F1 engine.

Micheal Shumacher and Ayrton Senna Both came from Formula 3(german and Britsh respectively).

Quote from carey :

Have you not noticed the similarities of tracks built in recent years and all the revisions that have happened at older circuits (that host GP racing).

Adding challenging tracks hurts development alot doesn't it.

Quote :

Scrolling helps:.

at no point was that about GP2

Quote from carey :

Turbo’s where banned in the late eighties in Formula 1 so I don‘t know having the power high up in the revs is good preparation for F1.

and what rev range do you think an F1 engine has most of its power?

Quote from carey :

Where we debating F3? Jaime Alguersuari actually got a race seat at the last round in Hungary, although he had been and still’s competing in the world series by Renault this year (with Sato and Button being the last direct graduates if I recall correctly).

Add Kimi Raikkonen in there.

Quote from carey :

Let’s list them:
2005 champ’ Nico Rosburg earned a race seat with Williams
2006 champ’ Lewis Hamilton earned a race seat with McLaren (although that was fairly likely anyway).
2007 champ’ Timo Glock earned a testing role with BMW Sauber but was then released for a race seat with Toyota (although he had previous F1 experience).
Other graduates:
Heikki Kovalainen (2005 runner-up) earned a Renault race seat after a year testing with them.
Nelson Piquet Jnr. (with experience in GP2/A1GP) took this seat and the Finn ended up at McLaren.
Sebastian Buemi earned a 2009 Toro Rosso race seat after racing in GP2.
Drivers that failed to graduate:
2008 champ' Georgio Pantano failed to make the step up because he had raced in F1 before and was older than the other graduates.

Heck have you seen how many F1 champions have came form just British F3?

Formula 2 is effectivly 10 times cheaper then a competitve GP2 ride, whilst giving pretty much the same chance in getting in F1 as Renault World series, plus with such minimal money spent, it provides alot of drivers with lack of money but with loads of talent to mix it up there.

Jesus christ, are you going for some kind of most number of consecutive posts record?

It'd be interesting to see some dyno graphs for a modern F1 engine, although I imagine they are kept well secret.

Quote from carey :

No, maybe when they where V10’s, but the V8’s are rev limited (and continually so) and are more about acceleration.

Quote from carey :

F1 cars used to do 210mph, with the V10's, pumping out 900bhp+ but when the V8's came in the cars where quicker out of the corners (but not in terms of top-speed).

Please, please, please, if you don't know anything about engines or gearing, don't write anything about them.

Quote from carey :

So turbo’s don’t kick in at a certain rpm then?

No, they don't.

Quote from carey :

Actually the quote (you failed to use) about revs was in regards to F2 engines, which are turbo-charged.

Well from what I read you were totally talking about F1 engines?

and F1 engines also have power high up in the rev range, so that's not really a problem if you consider that is characteristic of F2 engines.

Quote from carey :

So how in 2006 (the first year of V8’s) where they quicker at a lot of the circuits they went to, apart from all the power tracks? Slicks only came back this year and, wasn’t it ‘05 we first started to see chimneys etc, after the FIA first started to take away downforce but the teams clawed a lot of it back.

The engine is not the single thing that makes a car faster or slower, there would have undoubtably been advances in aerodynamics between the '05 and '06 seasons. I'm not sure about wether the minimum allowed weight of the cars changed with the change to V8's but it would be common sense that a car with a smaller capacity engine with less cylinders and valve gear would be lighter and therefore perhaps more agile and therefore quicker possibly on slower sections of track. There would probrably have also been some relatively minor advances in tyre technology.

Weight and traction are important, an oil tanker can have 80,000hp, but can it do 200mph?

Carey please, when ever someone proves you wrong you divert it back on them by saying you wern't even talking about it.

you clearly don't know much about F1 cars.

GP2 is not the closest to an F1 car, heck Formula Nippon would be closer thats one.

Do you know anything about the engines used in GP2 at all?

and my point about F3 where to tell you that since F2 is considered higher By FIA whilst being much cheaper that alone proved my point.

nearly everything you say is false.

Quote from carey :

Can you not see a pattern emerging from the above quotes?

See your proving the point agian!
I told you why i said F3 then you put that quote on a seperate subject.

Quote from carey :

The last driver I can remember that came from Formula Nippon was R.Schumacher.

irrelevent, you where talking about the cars not the drivers.

Quote from carey :

What? F2’s meant to be a budget series, when F3 has the history etc (although when you consider that including testing you’re looking at about 600K+ I don’t see the value in it either), but how does that prove a point when FOR THE THIRD TIME; we’re comparing F2 to GP2 and world series.

2 pages later and you still haven't got why I think F2 is bang for the buck.

It competes with GP2 and Renault world series whilst being cheaper then most if not all Superlicence worthable F3 series in Europe, how can you not see this point?

Quote from carey :

If someone differs in opinion it doesn’t make them wrong, in fact those with unpopular views are often proved to be correct (but I’m sure that’ll just be seen as arrogance).

It certainly doesn't but when your trying to argue mine with arguements that make no sence or have any factual information you may see where i am coming from.

[QUOTE=carey;1236692]So combined with:

I can deduce what?

when you say:
[QUOTE=carey;1235864]GP2 generally is the closest thing to an F1 car, they’re just limited by setup in terms of aerodynamics etc.[/QUOTE]
Hence i said: [QUOTE]GP2 is not the closest to an F1 car, heck Formula Nippon would be closer thats one.[/QUOTE]
but then you say:
[QUOTE=carey;1235864]The last driver I can remember that came from Formula Nippon was R.Schumacher.[/QUOTE]
Which then i say: [QUOTE]irrelevent, you where talking about the cars not the drivers.[/QUOTE]

when I said power and speed is irrelevent i was talking about its class in general(F2), but on your qoute you where talking about how the car was the closest to an F1 car(GP2).

[QUOTE=carey;1235864]Do I need to quote your post from the MotoGP thread again? As for not making sense, do you really believe your furious, multiple posts make for coherent reading?[/QUOTE] Go ahead, its from another topic nor is it relevent to this one.

Quote from carey :

So the perception of a series, in regards to where F1 talent is actually coming from, has no relevance and what I actually said was that it was:

Yes you where talking about the cars not the drivers. There is no Aero set ups on a driver.

Quote from carey :

Don’t forget they where re-designed for 2008 and would create impressive amounts of down-force if they where allowed to.

Formula Nippon still creates more and thats my point.

Quote from carey :

It kind of is relevant, as you gave out a broad accusation that I lacked facts:

Major difference here though, i wasn't arguing that was I? I just said it, If I argued with someone who had the actual facts about it then i can't talk.

Quote from carey :

What about Indycar? I’m pretty sure F1 bosses don’t pay a large amount of attention to either..

Alot of indy car drivers are fairly happy where they are though as its not a feeder series so they make alright money.

however there are at least 3 drivers from indycar linked for a drive next year, so really no fact in that.[/QUOTE]

Graham Rahal, Marco Andretti, Ryan-Hunter Ray have also been linked.

Apprently USF1 havent even approached Danica.

I think Rahal is the best Talent America has For F1 at this stage. I mean look at hes performances in Champcar(circuit dominated) and he was only 17 at that stage, hes a good talent and hes still got huge room for improvement.