What in hell is the problem with some drivers?
Do they not realize that the driver ahead of them may have to break early, because the driver ahead of them has to break early when ever the corners get bunched?
Good God, its no wonder my insurance is so high, I mean, its simple physics, but some drivers are still trying to fit a square peg into a round hole!
They must realize that just because they are inside on a line does not give them the right to just bump the driver ahead out of the race.
Racing is a sport of gentlemen or gentle-people if you like. When you try to win the race in the first lap you should be on the pole, or darn close to it. Not starting 16th and F to everyone else cause "I gotta catch the leader fast"
Some of these drivers should learn a bit of etiquette when driving.
Lastly, I gotta say, I freakin LUV this game It is the best fun in my working man day.

Quote from Wm. Peddle :

What in hell is the problem with some drivers?
Do they not realize that the driver ahead of them may have to break early, because the driver ahead of them has to break early when ever the corners get bunched?
Good God, its no wonder my insurance is so high, I mean, its simple physics, but some drivers are still trying to fit a square peg into a round hole!
They must realize that just because they are inside on a line does not give them the right to just bump the driver ahead out of the race.
Racing is a sport of gentlemen or gentle-people if you like. When you try to win the race in the first lap you should be on the pole, or darn close to it. Not starting 16th and F to everyone else cause "I gotta catch the leader fast"
Some of these drivers should learn a bit of etiquette when driving.
Lastly, I gotta say, I freakin LUV this game It is the best fun in my working man day.

no its not gentle at all, tbh, clean racing = good

noobs = bad

pushing your car to physicial limits to asertain some victory when theirs noobs in the way = Win.

if you dont like sharing paint with others cars, maybe the smell of rubber makes you wet yer pants ?

try cricket.... or bowling.... or apple sauce making.

Quote from Wm. Peddle :

What in hell is the problem with some drivers?
Do they not realize that the driver ahead of them may have to break early, because the driver ahead of them has to break early when ever the corners get bunched?
Good God, its no wonder my insurance is so high, I mean, its simple physics, but some drivers are still trying to fit a square peg into a round hole!
They must realize that just because they are inside on a line does not give them the right to just bump the driver ahead out of the race.
Racing is a sport of gentlemen or gentle-people if you like. When you try to win the race in the first lap you should be on the pole, or darn close to it. Not starting 16th and F to everyone else cause "I gotta catch the leader fast"
Some of these drivers should learn a bit of etiquette when driving.
Lastly, I gotta say, I freakin LUV this game It is the best fun in my working man day.

You've been on Fox Junkies haven't you?

Im not sayin bumpin aint racin, some lumps are always expected.
I'm just suggesting, respect for the other racer should be, (hang on I'm gonna use a big word here), prerequisite.
To me, there is a difference between a bump and a nudge. Its the nudge that racers need to avoid, not the bumps.
A nudge, is when you dont have position in a duel or line, and you dont respect the traffic or laws of physics.
What happens is this, newbies, its an old trick learned back in the days of Whiskey running. Police practice it. You knock the ass end of the car sideways and cause loss of traction. Its a sucky way to race
And maybe a newbie will read this, and think to ease up in the pack.

Quote from theirishnoob :

no its not gentle at all, tbh, clean racing = good

noobs = bad

pushing your car to physicial limits to asertain some victory when theirs noobs in the way = Win.

if you dont like sharing paint with others cars, maybe the smell of rubber makes you wet yer pants ?

try cricket.... or bowling.... or apple sauce making.

What you are trying to say is "if you like getting crashed in every race you start racing is for you!". Right?

With a lot of cars on the grid in fox junkies it's quite sad. When you join you are atomatically at the back. If you get crashed (not much of an 'if' is it?) you'll start next race at the back again. Sometimes you need to REALLY hold it back before T1 and get around it a bit later than everyone else. That way you'll overtake everybody who crashed. If you're lucky, you'll start next race at least midfield or even closer to the leaders.

On servers with reversed grid it's even worse when someone who doesn't know the combo appears at the front of the grid (been there myself). All in all there will always be dumb crashes. Somehow the average LFSer is not really aware of other people on the track and/or his and cars physical capabilities.

Quote from theirishnoob :

... or apple sauce making.

Hey... thats kinda fun, thanks for the tip!

is this rant over yet... or should i come back later?

Quote from marsaz :

the average LFSer is not really aware of other people on the track and/or his and cars physical capabilities.

nope cause have of them are on msn chatting each other up

You are right of course, Oscar, it was a bit of a rant
Beer and regular traffic idiots, along with "one of those days" caused me to spout off a bit about dumb driving practices. And as I respect every driver equally, regardless of track position, I was aiming to enlighten.
But I got to tell ya, it felt kind a good to vent.

Even in the real world, with real danger of injury and financial breakdown, there are those specialists who think qualifying did put them on the wrong end of the grid... Take those dangers away, throw in some of the typical gamer-ego and -impatience and voilà, perfect recipe for disaster...

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

You've been on Fox Junkies haven't you?

You have to pray really hard to make it past T1...

Quote from theirishnoob :

no its not gentle at all, tbh, clean racing = good

noobs = bad

pushing your car to physicial limits to asertain some victory when theirs noobs in the way = Win.

if you dont like sharing paint with others cars, maybe the smell of rubber makes you wet yer pants ?

try cricket.... or bowling.... or apple sauce making.

This is the kind of attitude that puts people off.

And btw, you obviously know as much about cricket as you do motor racing.

Any idiot can barge their way up the inside on a computer. In RL your a*se would soon be grass for this behaviour.

To the OP: there is some satisfaction to be gained if you're fast enough, seeing these dimwits self destruct as you reel them back in and they realise you're faster than they are. Funny how often they crash all on their own attempting to avoid the impending humiliation.

Quote from IlGuercio :

You have to pray really hard to make it past T1...

Guess I must have been on another Junkies server.

Quote from Lible :

Guess I must have been on another Junkies server.

Or it was just another day...
The fact is that server is always too populated and when you have 24 racers grid you know something bad is gonna happen.
People should learn to use the brakes,look in the mirrors and stop being kamikazes.
I make mistakes too,but one thing is to do it on purpose or on a regular basis and another is to just making one once in a while.
If someone hits me at 200kmh while im turning inside a corner or im forced out of the track when im side to side,i guess some people really should read a bit more about racing.

I take it that many reports have been submitted?, stop biting the hand's that feed us all and get involved.
Seen the same complaints for 5years + but nothing changes...wonder why?.

Quote from Wm. Peddle :

What in hell is the problem with some drivers?
Do they not realize that the driver ahead of them may have to break early, because the driver ahead of them has to break early when ever the corners get bunched?

I think the problem is that a lot of people don't understand the "field compression" effect that occurs at turn one. If the whole field takes off at the same time, and accelerates at the same rate, then the field arrives at turn one with the same spacing as it was on the grid. The problem is that the lead car gets to his braking point first. If you have 20 cars, and the grid spacing is 10 meters, then the 20th car is still 190 meters from his braking point when the leading car hits his brakes. It will be another 4 or 5 seconds before the last guy gets to his braking point while everyone in front of him is slowing down. Plus the first lap braking point will be earlier because the tires are cold and the cars have to go through turn one slower because they are usually side-be-side with other cars. The drivers at the back of the grid are less likely to be aware of this. If everyone applied the brakes at the same time as the lead car, and then continued to brake until they reached their cornering speed, then the compression would not occur. But the the cars behind the lead cars would reach their cornering speed before they reached the corner and would have to continue at part throttle until they reached the turn. And that is the problem. Anyone braking early and staying behind the driver in front of them becomes a sitting duck for the drivers that qualified behind him. All those drivers who were slow in qualifying take advantage of the situation to do what they couldn't do based on talent by taking advantage of the safe driving of those ahead of them. This results, at best, in cars being three or four wide going into turn one or the back markers running into the back of the cars ahead because openings closed up before they could get to the openings.

Some leagues I have been in have tried to make rules such as no overtaking before the apex of the first turn but people still seemed to get carried away with their enthusiasm. HS (Human Stupidity) makes AI, flawed as it may be, a better option for me.

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This is true, but I don't think you have to resort to just playing against AI... Pick Up Racing has always had this risk... Really the only way to avoid it is to only race with friends... or in a league... occasionally (I'm afraid) you must brave the stupid/inexperienced, perhaps purposely join after the grid has formed so you sit at the back and hang back until T1 (and indeed T2 and T3 in some cases) are clear and you can get the hammer down...

With more realistic damage (in the future) people should hopefully take fewer shunts to realise it's not the best way to get around the track...

And now you know why iRacing implemented a "safety system!" That thing works wonders for deterring dirty racing and a general lack of respect for other racers and the line. Best thing to happen to sim-racing, if only it didn't come packaged with a ridiculously expensive product.

there is also the other side of the story where the new guys slow down on corner exits, brake on corner exits, brake at the apex of corners, leave the racing line mid corner then cut back in on line, fail to notice other cars next to them, dont follow normal racing lines and fail to brake into corners using other cars as their brakes.