Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

Although it probably was an harsh sanction IMO, there was a clear enough breach in the rules to penalise him. This incident reminds me quite a lot of the Spa and Magny 2008 incidents with Hamilton, same infractions, same consequences.

I find it good overall that the FIA seems to get some constistance with their decisions. Having former drivers judging with the regular marshalls is a good thing IMO, and probably helped it a lot. I just find it bad that the FIA doesn't give any black & white flags and almost always moves to a DT or just ignore the infraction. There should be a way to warn people, when the incident is not bad enough to ruin the pilot at fault's race, but still bad enough to tell him he's done wrong.

Thanks, those are some good points. Similarly to what you are saying, I think that often the punishment fails to fit the crime in F1. It seems to me like it would be a lot more fair if the stewards just said, "let him past, or get a penalty" if they were to decide that a pass was unfair. The penalties are a bit too arbitrary in F1, I think.

Quote from joshdifabio :

One other thing... wasn't F1 a lot more interesting with refuelling?

Err.... no.

I remember races with refuelling where the only overtaking was in the pits.
2 stops vs 3 stops resulting in an advantage to one team.

How it is now looks a LOT more like racing to me.

Good job by Vettel btw.

Quote from joshdifabio :

I hope Webber doesn't win the title. If he was in any other team he probably wouldn't stand a chance at taking the title, yet instead of being professional and showing some gratitude to the team who are giving him the opportunity to fight for the title for the first time all he does is bitch. Wanker.

Following on from the turkey incident, where the team sided with vettel instantly this qualy/race just adds to it. Vettel was faster in fp1/fp3 blah blah he leads webber in points blah blah -what a load of shit. They had about 1 or 2 hundreths between the two red bull drivers, that doesn't justify them taking the wing off webber when they are nearly a freaking second faster than any other team.

They talk about team this, team that, but by taking the wing off webbers car and giving it vettel they create alot of discomfort and emotion between the two sides of the garage. I, for one, hope webber trounces vettel for the rest of the season.

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

Err.... no.

I remember races with refuelling where the only overtaking was in the pits.
2 stops vs 3 stops resulting in an advantage to one team.

Okay, and at the time that was quite frustrating. Now there is no overtaking in the pits... and there is still almost no meaningful overtaking on the track - certainly no more than we've had in the past.

We see people like Vettel overtaking drivers in seriously inferior cars and Schumacher, who sadly seems to be past it, quite regularly getting passed. Apart from that, the races are generally as good as over as soon as the race settles down at the start.

In the past we were left guessing as to the fuel loads of the various cars and we had the qualifying-style laps leading up to pit-stops and leading up to rivals' pit-stops etc. This at least gave us the opportunity to hope that there might be a change in the lead. As it is now, you know that the driver who is leading a few laps into the race is - barring some kind of drama - all but certain to win. It's incredibly dull!

What does everyone else think?

My ears were bleeding after watching race on lithuanian television

Quote from joshdifabio :

Thanks, those are some good points. Similarly to what you are saying, I think that often the punishment fails to fit the crime in F1. It seems to me like it would be a lot more fair if the stewards just said, "let him past, or get a penalty" if they were to decide that a pass was unfair. The penalties are a bit too arbitrary in F1, I think.

Alonso should have known he should have give the position back immediately.

But to made it worse for him, Kubica retired soon after. Race control couldn't tell Alonso to hand his position back if the other driver isn't on the track any more.

Just pretty bad timing and very bad luck with when Kubica retired and when the safety car came out.

Who the f is that Jake bloke who does the F1 on BBC, what a f**in idiot. He talks out of his arse most the time & has nothing to do with motor racing what so ever. Somebody needs to give him a good slap.

Apart from that, good race.

Go Webber! Stick it to them!

My opinion is that Alonso's drive through was unnecessary given that he had gained no advantage once Kubica was out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbO9atd_jwg

Is this why McLaren said "Great first corner" by radio to Lewis after the race?

Quote from DejaVu :

Following on from the turkey incident, where the team sided with vettel instantly this qualy/race just adds to it.

I'd actually completely forgotten about the Turkey incident, which I thought looked more Vettel's fault than Webber's.

They sided with Vettel? Maybe the team are afraid of upsetting the German and seeing him leave in the future! I can understand Webber's frustrations in that case.

Quote from JCTK :

Alonso should have known he should have give the position back immediately.

I agree to an extent, because when it happened it was one of those where I thought, "I'm not sure he should get penalised for that but I'm almost certain he will," and I suspect that him and Ferrari thought the same, so maybe they should have just given the spot back instead of risking it.

Having said that, I think it was actually quite marginal, especially if we are to believe that the drivers' representative in the steward's room (in this case Mansell) has some pull, as the BBC's pundits and former drivers Brundle and Coulthard both seemed to defend Alonso.

Quote from anttt69 :

Who the f is that Jake bloke who does the F1 on BBC, what a f**in idiot. He talks out of his arse most the time & has nothing to do with motor racing what so ever. Somebody needs to give him a good slap.

Apart from that, good race.

Haha

Come on, he's better than that guy who looks like a bird that used to do Grandstand on BBC and then the F1 on ITV, and who now does football on the same network.

He keeps it all moving quite well imo. The presenter types never seem to know anything about the sport they're covering, I'm not sure why that is.

Loved it, the whole weekend was entertaining, fantastic recovery from Mclaren and I'm so glad to see Webber proving his teams decision was wrong. Oh and awesome overtake by Rosberg.

Vettel was at the wrong race meeting with that move on Sutil, the BTCC isn't on for 6 weeks at Silverstone

Quote from anttt69 :

Who the f is that Jake bloke who does the F1 on BBC, what a f**in idiot. He talks out of his arse most the time & has nothing to do with motor racing what so ever. Somebody needs to give him a good slap.

Apart from that, good race.

Yeah, but he has an ipad, that makes you point null and void.

Sorry.

I think Rowan Atkinson said "my layland goes faster than this" when he saw HRT car.

Quote from anttt69 :

Who the f is that Jake bloke who does the F1 on BBC, what a f**in idiot. He talks out of his arse most the time & has nothing to do with motor racing what so ever. Somebody needs to give him a good slap.

That Jake bloke is a brilliant presenter of live television, and he has shown more appreciation for the job he has and the sport he is covering than any other F1 presenter I've ever seen. Speak to anyone who has ever been involved in television and they will tell you what a good job he does. The fact he has to handle Eddie Jordan makes his job hard enough! Perhaps the level of intelligence and wit he displays just goes over your head, maybe he should throw in some swear words or fart jokes to bring the coverage down to your level of understanding.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

maybe he should throw in some swear words or fart jokes to bring the coverage down to your level of understanding.

L-M-F-A-O!!!!

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

That Jake bloke is a brilliant presenter of live television, and he has shown more appreciation for the job he has and the sport he is covering than any other F1 presenter I've ever seen. Speak to anyone who has ever been involved in television and they will tell you what a good job he does. The fact he has to handle Eddie Jordan makes his job hard enough! Perhaps the level of intelligence and wit he displays just goes over your head, maybe he should throw in some swear words or fart jokes to bring the coverage down to your level of understanding.

Agree with what you say, intitally I thought that Jake was the wrong on to do it, but give credit where it is due, he does a great job and the 3 of them (Jake/David?Eddie) seem to complement each other perfectly.

Me and Zeug were quite close with our 1-3 predictions XD

Should be a VERY good day for my F1 Manager Team as well.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

That Jake bloke is a brilliant presenter of live television, and he has shown more appreciation for the job he has and the sport he is covering than any other F1 presenter I've ever seen. Speak to anyone who has ever been involved in television and they will tell you what a good job he does. The fact he has to handle Eddie Jordan makes his job hard enough! Perhaps the level of intelligence and wit he displays just goes over your head, maybe he should throw in some swear words or fart jokes to bring the coverage down to your level of understanding.

At times jake can seem a little akward and odd. Some little comments here and there do come across as sarky and uncomfortable at times. In the forum today Murray literally took over the presenting of the show from Jake which was entertaining. Asking good questions and showing genuine enthusiam.

Jake does a good job to be fair, but hardly worthy of huge praise you seem to lavish upon him.

Red Bull gives you wings. At least, it does if you're Vettel

Wow, creating a new account just to say that?

Quote from Intrepid :

At times jake can seem a little akward and odd. Some little comments here and there do come across as sarky and uncomfortable at times. In the forum today Murray literally took over the presenting of the show from Jake which was entertaining. Asking good questions and showing genuine enthusiam.



Jake does a good job to be fair, but hardly worthy of huge praise you seem to lavish upon him.

That's the mark of a good presenter though, his job is to bridge the gap between talking to Sir Stirling Moss and watching a replay. The fact he let a legend like Murray Walker do his thing just demonstrates his understanding of what the fans want to see, and the respect he has for everyone involved in the sport. I don't think he is the best thing on TV, but he certainly deserves more praise and respect than other people on the BBC such as Jonathan Ross.

I thought the whole coverage was excellent today, they didn't really miss a trick, any action that was missed was quickly followed up with several replays and all the battles got good air time, not just the front runners or the home favourites. I know you critise the BBC Intrepid, but for me the BBC show other channels how quality live sport coverage is done, and I'm so happy we don't have to put up with ITV anymore.