Quote from brandons48 :

And... yes! I've just heard in my right ear, it is, in fact, snowing in hell!

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Is it 2012 yet?!

You guys are ****s. A class ****s, Infact, you are worse than ****s, I just can't say it on this forum.

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I thought racing cars used some sort of weird screw assembly like the Carrera GT?

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More lugs makes sense for more load, but I thought the hub itself supported the load, and the lugs held the wheel onto the hub and just had side-to-side load?

I would guess so, I'm not a car person, But I believe the "hub" is attached for decals, And or to hold center mass in the tire, So the lugs can evenly distribute pressure and weight.

To answer the first part of your question, nascar can get four tires changed (Two tire changers) in as little as 14.7 seconds. That's 6 lug nuts each tire, and a hub in the center.



I suppose that is Incase one pops off, You can still continue on, But the "Hub" is most likely to hold a hubcap on, But since that tire doesn't have one it's safe to say it was used as a decal.

Quote from brandons48 :

I thought racing cars had Single Lug wheels like this?

To get them on and off in the pits?

No sir, As the picture above states, You need more lug nuts than that to keep the tire on, You wouldn't want to go 180+ MPH knowing the only thing holding you on the rubber, is 1, Big ass lugnut. That is most likely a show room car ( Those rims are not meant for racing, I don't believe ) And the weight of a car breaking =/= Under amounts of stress is quite dangerous. One lug nut could undergo serious wear and tear before the stint of the tire is complete, I would put my bets on metal fatigue. It depends on the width of tire you need to race correctly. If you need slicks, you're probably rolling with 4 to 6. If you are going with a ricer car and big ass 21'' rims you probably will have 1 - 8. The reason that can be one is if the car is only cruising, Then it wouldn't matter, Low profile tires can probably handle 1 lug nut and or hub because it's not under much stress, The rim supports and is 3/4's of the tire/rim itself. However bigger tires mean you possibly need more support for the tire. Thus is the reason race cars can go with so less.

Imagine yourself holding about 2,000 pounds, Plus occasional stopping, turning, break dust/heat. And you only have 1 friend for support. I know that sounds retarded, But you should be able to wrap your head around that, the more friends, The better.

I'm just repeating myself now, But the height/width of the tire determines the height/width of rim, the aspect ratio of both most likely determines what and how many lug nuts to use. Depending on forces expected - Weight braking / accelerating

Then again, I'm not a car person.


Edit: I should add, I forgot the fact nascar now uses 5 lug nuts, And slightly harder compounds.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

No sir, As the picture above states, You need more lug nuts than that to keep the tire on, You wouldn't want to go 180+ MPH knowing the only thing holding you on the rubber, is 1, Big ass lugnut. That is most likely a show room car

ahem you do realise that eg f1 has been using a single wheel nut for tha last 3 decades or so?
and so have prototypes and gt cars and pretty much every other high end motorsport

the only reason why nascar uses 20 nuts per wheel is... well theres not easy way to say this so lets just go for the jugular... americans are rubbish at engineering

Quote from Shotglass :

ahem you do realise that eg f1 has been using a single wheel nut for tha last 3 decades or so?
and so have prototypes and gt cars and pretty much every other high end motorsport

the only reason why nascar uses 20 nuts per wheel is... well theres not easy way to say this so lets just go for the jugular... americans are rubbish at engineering

Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass and stopped trying to roll off as a smart ass you could have read the clear letters saying " I AM NOT A CAR PERSON" Thus; I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM MUCH.

And being a racist can get you banned, racist covers being a asshat about a certain country to, If Europe is so to you good keep your head deeply planted in the dirt, and don't ever come out.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

And being a racist can get you banned, racist covers being a asshat about a certain country to, If Europe is so to you good keep your head deeply planted in the dirt, and don't ever come out.

1) american isnt a race
2) poking fun at americans is perfectly acceptable particularly in a mostly british forum
3) i was merely pointing out facts supported by a wealth of evidence

Quote from Shotglass :

1) american isnt a race
2) poking fun at americans is perfectly acceptable particularly in a mostly british forum
3) i was merely pointing out facts supported by a wealth of evidence

1) Read this. 3) I shall not post images, or links to images, which contain offensive content such as nudity, pornographic, racist or any other clearly offensive content such as excessive violence.

I can take 1/4 your posts on this forum is "poking fun" At America or Americans, As racist. Look up " Discrimination " It falls under racism.

2) I'm sure if everyone walked around saying germany sucked you would get offended to. Just because this is a British forum and you happen to be living in Europe gives you no rights. Here, Let me show my ass by saying German engineering sucks, Because my mercedes has broke the auto closing trunk mechanism by itself.

3) Point out whatever you want, I was stating my opinion, Just like in my first post, I don't really know what makes a car a car, I wasn't trying to win a job with some mechanics.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

1) Read this. 3) I shall not post images, or links to images, which contain offensive content such as nudity, pornographic, racist or any other clearly offensive content such as excessive violence.

I can take 1/4 your posts on this forum is "poking fun" At America or Americans, As racist. Look up " Discrimination " It falls under racism.

that still doestn make it racism becasue again american is not a fecking race

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2) I'm sure if everyone walked around saying germany sucked you would get offended to.

oh you mean like people here do pretty much kinda sorta all the time?

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that still doestn make it racism becasue again american is not a fecking race



oh you mean like people here do pretty much kinda sorta all the time?

I'm going to just end it here, This is stupid.

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Although the term racism usually denotes race-based prejudice, violence, dislike, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and contested definitions. Racialism is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

Show me the thousands of post you see bashing Germany, And I'll see about your discrimination against America.

By the way, German engineering is most likely under American engineering, That of which is under Russian engineering.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

Show me the thousands of post you see bashing Germany, And I'll see about your discrimination against America

I'm pretty sure I'm made several extremely racist posts about ze Germans (see?), but they're not as sensitive about it as Americans because they know they're not total dickheads like the Americans.

It is funny to see someone feeling defensive resorting to "Nobody ever says anything bad about the Germans". I mean, come on!

http://www.homemade-dessert-re ... gerbread-men-21297471.jpg

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I'm pretty sure I'm made several extremely racist posts about ze Germans (see?), but they're not as sensitive about it as Americans because they know they're not total dickheads like the Americans.

It is funny to see someone feeling defensive resorting to "Nobody ever says anything bad about the Germans". I mean, come on!

http://www.homemade-dessert-re ... gerbread-men-21297471.jpg

That made absolutely no sense at all, I don't even know what to say, I shouldn't even be posting, But seriously, I don't get it.

I hate America as well, That doesn't mean you just let people shit on it, I mean it is a country, people probably are offended.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

I'm going to just end it here, This is stupid.

great quote there

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

so clearly it doesnt apply to a countrys propulation... especially not to the us which is rather racially diverse as far as countries go

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Show me the thousands of post you see bashing Germany, And I'll see about your discrimination against America.

cant be bothered to search but as kev said he (and tristan and many others here) enjoys poking fun at germans and so does the rest of the world since that thing some 65ish years ago

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By the way, German engineering is most likely under American engineering, That of which is under Russian engineering.

well loads of american engineering successes were german to begin with

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I'm pretty sure I'm made several extremely racist posts about ze Germans (see?)

no you didnt... we arent a race either... we tried to become one but that pretty much failed when we realised that the guy spearheading the operation was short had dark hair and generally didnt look one single bit aryan
also he had the silliest moustache ever so the decision was made to let you win the war and hope no one notices how ill conceived the whole plan was

that said you do give us quite a bit of stick for being german

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but they're not as sensitive about it as Americans because they know they're not total dickheads like the Americans.

we do? i must have not gotten that memo somehow

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It is funny to see someone feeling defensive resorting to "Nobody ever says anything bad about the Germans". I mean, come on!

http://www.homemade-dessert-re ... gerbread-men-21297471.jpg

ive watched that at least a million times now and it just wont stop being hilarious

Quote from TehPaws3D :

I hate America as well, That doesn't mean you just let people shit on it, I mean it is a country, people probably are offended.

and therein lies the fundamental difference between europeans and americans
europeans dont get offended if you poke fun at their heritage... instead theyll fire back a few insults and laugh about it

and in the spirit of things:
you started it!

Quote from Shotglass :

and therein lies the fundamental difference between europeans and americans
europeans dont get offended if you poke fun at their heritage... instead theyll fire back a few insults and laugh about it

and in the spirit of things:
you started it!

Are you saying that I am not European? And you started this whole conversation, you yellow.. red and black person.

German engineering is shit too
My dad could do nothing but complain about how crappy Germans were to work with when he had to. He says the vaunted German engineering (ooooohh... ahhhhh) means 'hey! I know! let's make it more expensive and more complicated than it really needs to be'. Also, Germans are insufferable to work with because they do not understand when someone is joking and take offense to it (huh sound familiar?) cultural differences is all. But he likes the Italians that he works with/for now. mostly. they're chill brah.

Ok even now? yes? ok let's just hug and make up and at least our cars don't have doormats that kill people:ambulance

Quote from TehPaws3D :

Are you saying that I am not European? And you started this whole conversation, you yellow.. red and black person.

i am
if you technically are you sure do act 100% american

Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :

German engineering is shit too

the evidence is against you on that one

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Also, Germans are insufferable to work with because they do not understand when someone is joking and take offense to it (huh sound familiar?)

i think the problem lies with your dad being americans and not knowing how to kid around properly

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at least our cars don't have doormats that kill people

corrections: doormats that kill americans... which says a lot more about the americans than it does about toyota

WTF did this thread turn into? This is a kindergarten

Shotglass, stop being a tw@t.

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the evidence is against you on that one

Actually Shotglass I have to side with random internet forum persons dad on this one. There is a strong underlying precedent in German engineering to over-engineer solutions.

You brought up the Godwin argument so i'll start there, it cost you ze vor.

Panzerkampfwagon VI's, awesome machines in both the Ausf E unt B variants. But have you looked at the suspension arrangement? It's sooooo complex, so complex infact that the daddyland only managed to produce a few hundred of them, whilst the Ruskies set about zerging your ass with 100000 T34's.

This is just one example of an endless list of engineering solutions which by all accounts where far more complicated than they needed to be. Don't get me wrong, in the example given there really was no better machine in ze vor. Aside from the Ioseph Stalin II's and III's, and in a face to face i'd favour a British Comet - but apart from those tanks the Jaeger unt Koenigs Jaegers were awesome machines with really amazing suspension.

It's just a shame that they really didnt need that suspension, and the ability to field repair them and produce them quicker would have greatly boosted the Daddylands vor effort, but as was is just one of many shortcomings of the reich vor machinnen.

And ze next time you bring up Godvins law you shall instantly gain 2 troll points.

plzkthxbai

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Abut apart from those tanks the Jaeger unt Koenigs Jaegers were awesome machines with really amazing suspension.

You mean Tiger instead of Jäger, I suppose.

But yeah, it's pretty much historical fact that the IS2 was the best tank. Not even of world war two, but of all time, as evidenced here. (sorry for the joke only people who frequent the Red Orchestra forums get)

Now back on topic... er.... well... humm.... hat was it?
Oh yeah. My car has 5 wheel nuts. Dunno why, my previous cars all had 4.

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you started it!

Haha. Everybody knows you started it.

TehPaws3D and becky rose, best combo here

Quote from brandons48 :

Pffft. Say it

Or PM it, go on, dare you

You wish.

Quote from Inouva :

TehPaws3D and becky rose, best combo here

Are you implying something?

Quote from RasmusL :

WTF did this thread turn into? This is a kindergarten

When a crazy ass German steps in the room shit gets intense.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

Are you implying something?

Na, becky and you can easily kick the a$$ to some users here

Quote from Inouva :

Na, becky and you can easily kick the a$$ to some users here

True, although I do quite like Shotglass. What he says is usually backed with mischievous spirit rather than a testosterone driven desire to get one up on someone.

Me and Paws we just win because the entire forum wants to sleep with one or the other of us.

Nearly had a good tease going with the hitting on her in another thread too which would have given us tonnes of ammo, but she thought I was serious which blew the ruse. Ho hum.

Mind you with the way things are going in my love life lately I may have to resort to men, so if she changes her mind i'll be on the next flight...

Quote from Becky Rose :

Me and Paws we just win because the entire forum wants to sleep with one or the other of us.

Nearly had a good tease going with the hitting on her in another thread too which would have given us tonnes of ammo, but she thought I was serious which blew the ruse. Ho hum.

Mind you with the way things are going in my love life lately I may have to resort to men, so if she changes her mind i'll be on the next flight...

Oh my..

You'd seriously fly over? I honestly didn't think you'd do that. ( See how cool Russians are? Attracting people across the world. )

Quote from Becky Rose :

Actually Shotglass I have to side with random internet forum persons dad on this one. There is a strong underlying precedent in German engineering to over-engineer solutions.

no i think the rest of the world just has a general inability to think things through

as for the war it certainly wasnt lost one a tanks engineering... rather it was lost before it even began when hitler ran out of money preparing for the war

Wait.. there are girls on the internet?