Quote from Klutch :

THEY WANTED TO HEAR THE NIGHT OF KLUTCHY!

let them hear it in peace thanky you very much!

Did a few trips 20 odd years ago now. Then did one where I was "up" for 10+ hours. All was great, alice in wonder land stuff at the start. All your senses feeling like they are coming in on the wrong source etc. Then about 3 hours in we got on a train and I saw my reflection. I just saw myself normal and that was more than my mind could take and then my world fell apart.

What followed was 8 hours of what I can only describe as hell. Since then I have never been able to go back and play with anything trippy since.

Thats the one trouble with trippy shit, can be great but if your mood is wrong or something happens that sends you down it can be your worst nightmare.

Sounds like you had a good one, once you have been through the door you are never the same person again. How you perceive the world is forever changed

well yeah

i have THE biggest fear of spiders man, and when sober i had always thought if i saw a spider while tripping i would freak out, but i didnt

instead, i actually HELPED the spider crawl across the dash...

Funny how a 12 hour trip can revolve around a spider crawling across the dash.

Sorry to interrupt the interesting conversation of your night, didnt read much of it but i hope you enjoyed yourself.

My two cents on all of this garbage about drugs.

As we all have established, alcohol and smokes are drugs, yet legal. Many argue the fact that they shouldnt be legal because they are drugs too and many argue the fact that they are not as bad as some illegal drugs (that is, cocaine, weed, ice etc).. Now, Im not the most intelligent person in the world, so bare with me if im not 100% puncutal and formal.

We have drugs, which are mostly stimulants or depressants. As we know, drugs are used also for medicinal, not just recreational. Lets think of drugs only as being medicinal. A drug would stimulate or depress and even enhance (now we are talking about steroids) a human body/mind. One thing it comes down to, is how a person feels. Some, such as myself, feel that our minds and body should be all natural, where others, feel theres nothing wrong with enhancing ones body (ie, Klutch's opinion on enhancing his night at a rave, stimulating his nerves and emotions to socialize on a level that he may just not be able to sober). Some have alcohol or weed to calm their body's down because they are too nervous (such as, just about to get on stage, having a quick beer etc).

When you look at it this way, drugs are sweet! Theres nothing wrong with it when you see it in that way.

Now if we are to look at drugs for recreational use. Its pretty much the same thing in my opinion, however, its more for want to use, rather than need to use. Such as, Im bored, lets have some fun and smoke weed, or lets get pissed and have fun. In my opinion, its abit stupid, but thats my opinion, and i wouldnt look down on another or think differently because they would want to do this.

Still even now, when you look at it as ive stated, you would ask yourself, now why the **** would drugs be illegal.

There is one other way to look at drugs, and thats drug abuse. This my friends, just isn't right! Of course, we all have our own choices and should be able to do what we want. Some say, this person has this drug, x amount of times a week, but who cares, he wants to, so let him. In my opinion, i don't have the heart to let another human, or friend, put their body through abuse. Its unfair for me, the people who love him/her and their family. Anyone who was to say but that's his life, does not seem to understand that its just still not right. This abuse leads to abuse on others. Being with 10+ group of mates all pissed off your head walking home from the pub, chances are you are going to walk past something that you all are going to look at each other with a cheaky smirk knowing exactly what to do. Vandalism, abuse, even rape, damage, theft etc

It comes down to how people are. I was once stupid, and went through all of the above on a life threatening level. These days, I dont need stimulants, enhancements or anything to enjoy myself. I believe in being natural and people around me respect that, as i respect people who choose to do whatever, but as stated, when it comes to abuse (which i briefly stated, im sure theres 100000 more points to talk about drug abuse), thats where things change and starts to make sense about why certain drugs are illegal.

Please correct me if im wrong, id love to hear what people have to say.

My most memorable trip experience was when me and two mates were tripping quite hard (4 tabs each) we came to what felt like a life changing decision that we should walk down the street and go buy something at the supermarket although we weren't exactly sure what.

We ventured out of the house each car passing on the adjacent street sounded like a howling animal drawing closer and closer as it passed it would melt into the ash felt causing the road to stream different colors as if next to me was a river of rainbow lava.
After covering the 300 meter distance in 45mins we all worked up the courage to cross the road, we stood there for approximately 15mins waiting for what we perceived as a big enough gap in traffic. we prepared our self's for the epic crossing and sprinted across the road, once I stepped foot on the other side a massive wave of accomplishment swept over me.

we turned to each other and none of us seemed to remember why we had ventured this far out into the wilderness. We discussed this for 15mins before coming to the realization that we were heading to the supermarket which was right in front of us.

We ventured inside to see a crying child
"oh no she's having a bad trip"
A friend said, I lol'd then I rofl'd it wasn't even that funny but I was laughing so hard I forgot what I was laughing at I looked up to see sober shoppers starring at me with baffled confused, I paused feeling as if I had just caused the universe to implode on it's self, I began to sweat and feel immense terror, the three of us then walked towards the isles, dodging and weaving between other sober shoppers as if they were an entirely different species to us.

Without thinking I took a different turn to my mates and lost them..

Then it all began, I found my self in the candy isle, it was terrifying, I was lost in a technological jungle full of subliminal advertising
"Get out of my head!"
I said to the sour drops

I can't leave here without buying something, I can't look like a thief, I have to blend in this these norms, my heart raced with adrenalin as I began to reach out to the sour drops,
"I..i can't do it"
I don't want the sour drops I want something else, I paced up and down the isle unable to come to a decision.

In a hurry I quickly ventured out of the vortex into the dairy section and grabbed some cheese. A wave of relief hit me, I could not stop smiling almost to the point of tears that I had found something I really wanted I slowly walked through the supermarket completely comfortable with the fact that the walls were melting, I lined up at the check out.

I reached into my pocket and pulled out a $10 note amazed at how such an insignificant object can be used to obtain other objects that have much more use. as I passed the girl the money, I smiled at her she smiled back, I pictured an imaginary 4th dimensional time line of our entire relationship and our two kids.

I noticed my friends waiting for me outside, I began to walk towards them, the automatic doors opened a new portal to a different world, I stepped foot outside feeling the wind of nature. I felt like Jesus. My friend turned to me.

Friend : Aaron..?
Me : Yes?
Friend : Why the f*ck did you buy cheese?

Nice story Klutch.

I've done NOS myself and it rocks.

It's funny as hell.

Also helium is quiet nice, if you do alot from it, you start feeling dizzy.

i cant buy things on acid, for some reason, i get way to anxious and can't hand over the money lol

Quote from Klutch :

i cant buy things on acid, for some reason, i get way to anxious and can't hand over the money lol

Smart decision.

Always do research before using a drug.

Quote from Klutch :

I come from a middle class family. None of my family take drugs or are heavy alcohol consumers. I had a normal life, though my highschool days were on the shitty side.

I don't use it as an escape, and i take it for fun.
Look at it this way.

You have option A) Going to a rave sober, enjoying the music, dancing a bit, talking to a few people - Fun night.

Then you have option B) Going to a rave, having a few pills, Loving the music, Dancing ALOT, Socialising ALOT, meeting random new and amazing people, the loving empathy you feel to your closest friends, and people you've only just met, the content feeling of the world being absolutely perfect - Absolutely fantastic amazing night that you would NEVER forget.

Heres a shit anology, but the above is like choosing between taking a ford festiva and a Ferrari around a race track.
Would you not choose the Ferrari to get more out of the experience and have a more exhilirating and intense enjoyment? Its the same thing.

I understand your point, but to me the whole idea of going out with friends or whatever is to enjoy the night without the requirement for artificial improvements. I mean, I can go out with friends and we are laughing practically all the time and none of us are drunk, on drugs, or intoxicated in any way. Besides I'd rather drive a Fiesta knowing I can enjoy it safely and in 100% control than drive a Ferrari, while lacking control of my limbs and being a riskto myself and those around me. If the so called loving empathy you feel is only when you're high then, son, you got a problem.

Quote from amp88 :

It's a shame, but a lot of the general public share this condescending viewpoint. Decades of propaganda and social conditioning have a powerful effect.

How is that condecending? It's my opinion, and frankly it's a perfectly reasonable one. I don't read the Daily Mail or infact any piece of printed press other than BIKE, Ride and Performance Bikes magazine and they're hardly at the forefront of political revolution...

Do we (I speak generally here) as teetotal or non drug takers think we're better then others? No, well at least I don't. If you want to go out and get shit faced then be my guest, but I've seen first hand the damage that can be done and frankly it just bemuses me why people put their bodies through such torture...

Hard as it may be if my closest friends (non of whom drink either much or at all) decided they'd go out every weekened and get drunk or shoot up with whatever drug they choose, then they wouldn't be my closest friends for much longer. I've seen enough people's lives get ruined by substance abuse.

If a friend was taking drugs (or drinking alot) because they had problems I would help them get clean. the effects they have on your body can numb whatever hurt or pain people are in which is why many troubled souls resort to taking them. I can relate to that having been there myself and I'd feel it was my social responsibility to help them get better and off whatever substance they were on. If one of my friends, the kind that have a decent job, or are at college, who have a good life, turned to them for some sort of 'boost' for a night out then, they're an idiot and I'd tell them as such.

You may think of me as some sort of stick shift in the mud, no fun on a night out. But infact I'm just as fun as anyone - The only difference is that I will be able to walk home at the end of the night.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

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Round of applause to you, Superb and well spoken. I don't need substances or liver killing alcohol to have fun with my group of friends either.

But some people are different, And you can't deny that.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

drugs are a way to escape.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

How is that condecending? It's my opinion, and frankly it's a perfectly reasonable one.

If you can't see why that's condescending there's no point trying to explain it.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

Round of applause to you, Superb and well spoken. I don't need substances or liver killing alcohol to have fun with my group of friends either.

But some people are different, And you can't deny that.

I remember that attitude.

Quote from amp88 :

If you can't see why that's condescending there's no point trying to explain it.

So are you denying that many drug users aren't individuals who have problems such as abusive parents/spouses, financial or personal difficulty? Sure there are users who have perfectly good lives...but still..

TehPaws, hope you aren't being sarcastic. Thanks, and same to you.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

So are you denying that many drug users aren't individuals who have problems such as abusive parents/spouses, financial or personal difficulty?

Addicts, sure.
Users? No.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

So are you denying that many forklift operators aren't individuals who have problems such as abusive parents/spouses, financial or personal difficulty? Sure there are forklift operators who have perfectly good lives...but still..

Hmm...

(bit of a double negative problem in there)

Lol, drugs are drugs.
There was a time that I was anti drug, before comming to the decision to see what all the fuss is about.

Yeah drugs do things to your being, so does sugar.

I understand how some people are all "omg if you do drugs you're (insert you're own imaginative adjective)"
Because I use to share the same view
You're not going to die from trying some, you should do your own personal research rather than listen to media propaganda and use responsibly.


Also saying that a majority of people who are or have used drugs are poor/unfortunate people is a massive generalization.
I've witnessed and taken part in drug related activities with all kinds of people where or how they grew up has nothing to do with it.

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So are you denying that many drug users aren't individuals who have problems such as abusive parents/spouses, financial or personal difficulty? Sure there are users who have perfectly good lives...but still..

The problem I had with your statement (and the reason that it's condescending) is that you said "drugs are a way to escape". You didn't qualify it by saying something along the lines of "Some people use drugs as an attempt to temporarily free themselves from their problems". If you had said that I would have agreed with you. However, a plain reading of what you said (a plain reading because I don't think you deal in layers of nuance) says that you feel all [illegal] drug use is an attempt to escape. This prejudice (and condescension) is very popular within the public and is the result, I believe, of decades of anti-drug propaganda and social conditioning. A lot of people have no knowledge or experience with [illegal] drugs but have very strong opinions on them.

Quote from rockclan :

I've done NOS myself and it rocks.

It's funny as hell.

I once took a dep gig because the band's former bass player had died from huffing nitrous oxide. He was also called Kev.

It's all to easy to over-do nitrous, especially since by the time the bottles come out you're probably already high on something else. I'd leave it alone if I were you.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

So are you denying that many drug users aren't individuals who have problems such as abusive parents/spouses, financial or personal difficulty? Sure there are users who have perfectly good lives...but still..

TehPaws, hope you aren't being sarcastic. Thanks, and same to you.

There are people who do not drink or take drugs and have problems such as abusive parents/spouses, financial or personal difficulty. That is a non argument. Would you care to back up with stats on %s on both sides or is this something you have pulled from thin air?

I respect your choice to not drink or take drugs. But some of your arguments make you sound like what I call the "reformed smoker", the person that gives something up but then trys to push their new found goodness on everyone. This is not saying you are BTW it is just the way your arguments come out.

I have smoked pot on and off now for over 20 years now. I hold a well paid software development job, enjoy my life and the drug has never effected my work or relationship in the slightest.

Lets bring rationality into this. Every culture on the planet has drugs that are used, even tribes deep in jungle have drugs available to them that they use. The drug Khat is used in some Islamic states because drink is "evil" under Islam.

Food, driving fast in a car, the gym and even computer games can have the same destructive effect on peoples lives as drugs. You are simply too focused on the word drug. If you drink any fizzy drink, tea or coffee you use the drug caffine!

As I pointed out earlier and I am sure you will agree... Prohibition of drink in the US was a deeply destructive time in history. It is why the ban was lifted, the effects of the ban were far far worse then it being available and controlled.

There are many lives lost because of "drity" gear which comes from sources where the supplier does not car. The income funds powerful cartels the world over. The war on drugs has failed and the situation is far far worse than anything the US expirenced with prohibition. If you fail to understand this you have a very niave view of the world.

Things need to change because the "war" is lost and drugs are NOT going away. Its time society grows up and faces it with rationality and not the FUD that abounds at the moment

Of all the people I've known well over the years that take drugs (and there are loads of them) I can count on one hand the number of them that use them as an "escape"

The overwhelming majority of them had a perfectly normal upbringing and take/took drugs to have a fun time. Nothing more, nothing less. They also live a perfectly "normal" life, holding down jobs and raising their kids in a perfectly responsible manner.

Not for the first time S14 is talking out of his backside and is doing it in a completely condescending manner.

Well, he wouldn't be British if he wasn't condescending!

Quote from The Moose :

holding down jobs and raising their kids in a perfectly responsible manner.

Sorry, But if you take drugs to have " Fun" or " Crack up with some friends " You aren't ready to have kids and or have a job, As your brain/mind has never matured out of mommy will save me mode.

This is just my 2 cents, I'm sure you guys will flame me, But it's not responsible anyway you throw it.

Are you implying that it's okay to set a role model for kids that "Drugs are fine.. just don't take them while cops are around or while doing certain things, But when you aren't SMOKE UP!!!!" ( Or shoot up, I don't care. )

Quote from TehPaws3D :

Sorry, But if you take drugs to have " Fun" or " Crack up with some friends " You aren't ready to have kids and or have a job, As your brain/mind has never matured out of mommy will save me mode.

Is that meant to be your poor excuse for an argument?

Typically you make a point and justify it, rather than blurting out your opinion and some insults.

**** that. I make my point and then I say you're a homo.

Drugs, like anything, are kinda okay in moderation, okay faggots?!

Quote from Jakg :

Is that meant to be your poor excuse for an argument?

Typically you make a point and justify it, rather than blurting out your opinion and some insults.

There is no argument, I was stating my opinion, And I never insulted anyone, If you do drugs, Hey, You do them, In my opinion you just aren't mature? Do you have a problem with my opinion?