no all it does it make you look like a twat
as does driving around with the parking lights on all day long
just like blue headlights... or greenish yellow ones which were all the rage a while ago (on top of being entirely illegal)
no all it does it make you look like a twat
as does driving around with the parking lights on all day long
just like blue headlights... or greenish yellow ones which were all the rage a while ago (on top of being entirely illegal)
I have HIDs in my car. Sure they're a little high but I could adjust them down to make them MOT-able.
I don't give a shit if I look like a cock to a bunch of up-their-own-arse people who think they were gods own gift to the earth. No-one flashes me and compared to a set of normal bulbs, the HID's actually blind you less..
For me, someone who does alot of driving between 4:30 and 6am, or 8-10pm, HID's make absolute sense. My lenses are pretty marked anyway and with standard bulbs, you couldn't physically drive at night without high beams. Now I can see where I'm going and if that makes me a cock, then more fool you.
Besides, they do look cool and if you don't like it, then frankly, I could not care less.
I don't give a shit if I look like a cock to a bunch of up-their-own-arse people who think they were gods own gift to the earth. No-one flashes me and compared to a set of normal bulbs, the HID's actually blind you less..
For me, someone who does alot of driving between 4:30 and 6am, or 8-10pm, HID's make absolute sense. My lenses are pretty marked anyway and with standard bulbs, you couldn't physically drive at night without high beams. Now I can see where I'm going and if that makes me a cock, then more fool you.
Besides, they do look cool and if you don't like it, then frankly, I could not care less.
My eyes disagree.
Oh man, I looove having factory fit Xenons 
Just hope I never have to replace one
Just hope I never have to replace oneThink you need to lay off the porn big guy.
If you fit H.I.D's, your car will not pass an M.O.T with them fitted due to the fact they are not at full brightness until a few seconds after being turned on. The M.O.T tester will fail your car straight away.
If you were to fit a projector lens or Xenons, your car would also FAIL it's next M.O.T unless you fit some sort of cleaning setup (i.e blades, jets etc.) and Automatic level adjustment control, which is a lot of work to do.
If your cars really that bad at producing decent light, I would suggest fitting some better bulbs first. Apart from that, maybe try growing up a little. At least the money you will save from the H.I.D kit can go towards a better car in the future, although I would probably recommend some driving tuition first.
If you were to fit a projector lens or Xenons, your car would also FAIL it's next M.O.T unless you fit some sort of cleaning setup (i.e blades, jets etc.) and Automatic level adjustment control, which is a lot of work to do.
If your cars really that bad at producing decent light, I would suggest fitting some better bulbs first. Apart from that, maybe try growing up a little. At least the money you will save from the H.I.D kit can go towards a better car in the future, although I would probably recommend some driving tuition first.
Oh those snotty people who didn't replace their stock headlights with gayer less-useful headlights, who gives a **** about those people - the 99.999% of drivers on the roads with normal lights. **** them.
I'm impressed that you manage to look such a cock when driving your car, I had thought that maybe you only looked like a complete cock when you posted in this forum.
I thought that applied only to the main beams, as a pose to dipped headlights?
Errr, what? You can have Xenons in Reflectors (legally), and you can have halogens in Projectors (legally).
Running Xenons / HID's without powerwash / self-levelling is illegal in the fact it breaks construction & use regs, but you wouldn't fail your MOT for it.
You won't fail at the moment but new mot regulations from dec 2011 deem them unroadworthy without self levellers and washers. Easy work around is make them easily exchangeable for mot
or fit hids in high beam. Surprising how many things people will change just for mot's.Out of interest, why do they need washers and normal lights don't?
They need washers as dirt on the light casing can misdirect the light and dazzle other road users, either by the dirt itself glowing or by reflecting the light back into the reflectors and then bouncing back out at an incorrect angle. Believe me the light from a hid is very bright and can cause problems for others. Especially incorrectly set lights or hids in the wrong housings. Self levellers are for the same kind of reason, to keep the light at the correct angle when going up and down bumps etc.
Sorry, I meant to say what DejaVu said in the sense that it will fail after 2012 M.O.T regs come into affect.
And I'm pretty sure it applies to both dipped and main beams, but could be wrong. I will ask my Brother next time I speak to him as he is a M.O.T tester.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but could the Police not screw you over for this (Providing the Police Officer knows what he is doing?).
My friend had his Aprillia RS125 MOT'ed, and then cut back the tip of the exhaust a few days later so it didn't droop down. He got pulled over one night, as a Police Officer spotted this. By UK law, the tip of 2-Stroke exhausts are meant to point slightly towards the road, so that any oil particles spat out don't hit cars windscreens behind you as that could obviously prove lethal in the rain.
I wonder if that same could apply to cars and H.I.D's etc.
at least round here if youre caught with aynthing that isnt in the cars papers youre looking at a couple of points and some money
and of course you then have to either take it off or get it approved or youll be in serious troeuble when they catch you again
and of course you then have to either take it off or get it approved or youll be in serious troeuble when they catch you again
99.9999% of drivers on the road now either have Xenons or HID's anyway, as 75% of new cars come with them standard and most people have upgraded now anyway. So yeah, **** them.
Oh sorry, because I'm young, live by myself and have bills and responsibilities, combined with the fact I have (well, don't have, rather choose) to keep two vehicles (my bike and my car, and my bike takes precident) on the road, which means when it comes to my 4 wheeled transport I can't quite afford a BMW or an Audi or whatever heap of shit you would consider to be "respectable". If I had a normal Corsa, you wouldn't be saying it's a cock's car, the fact that it's been modified (regardless of how well/not well, in any event), you automatically jump on the whole "OMFG U R COCK" bandwagon. But yes, I am a cock, never argued otherwise. In fact I'm the first to admit it!
My car gets me around from a to b, some people like it, and some don't. Those who don't I say, fair enough. It's your choice.
As for MOT, simple thing is to swap the bulbs out outside, and then stick them back in after
Or go to a MOT centre that uses common sense rather than some book written up by a government who only deems it safe to drive a 70mph on a motorway.Yup you can get done for it, but lots of people do it with things like decat pipes etc. I'm ok with my hids as I'm friends with the mot station workers and get my services and any other work done there 
I highly doubt that 75% of new cars come with HIDs standard. Also, when a vehicle comes with HIDs, they're in proper projectors that don't scatter light all over the place and blind everyone.
I do agree that poorly adjusted HID's are a pain but certainly no more so than any other type of headlights.
And no, you're right, not 75%, but many vehicles. More come out of factories with Xenon/HID than with normal Halogen bulbs.
Factory fitted HIDs have the correct reflectors and lenses.........
But yeah, I love all this "everybody else does it, so **** em" shite, thats the sort of crap thats killing this country.
But yeah, I love all this "everybody else does it, so **** em" shite, thats the sort of crap thats killing this country.
I bought oem lenses to go with mine, just not gonna fork out the cash for washers and getting them tech 2'd onto the canbus system. We do a lot of early morning late night driving and the benefit is massive in our rural areas. They get wiped with cleaning wipes constantly so I have no issues with them being installed on our car.
No, they don't - very few cars have Xenons as standard (although many have projectors), and most cars on the road anyway.
I'd say even on new car sales it's probably about 40%...
VOSA could prohibition the car for breaking contruction and use if they wanted to... but it's a LOT of effort. I've never heard of it being done, though. Same for decats...
Anyway, like I said I have OEM projector Xenons in my car, so I know the alignment is fine... but thanks to the new MOT changes it seems I may now need to spend ~£100 (more than the lights cost in the first place!) getting the power-wash (pointless) and leveling (pointless - my cars load never changes) in... awesome.
How come just changing the bulb means you need power-washers?
Because HID's / Xenons produce a lot more light, which also has slightly different properties (easier to reflect / refract I *think*).
Dirt on the lens could lead to lights pattern alternating, causing you to blind / glare other road users. Power-wash is designed to stop that.
However, I don't really think it's needed. It certainly doesn't clean too much, and I've yet to experience any sort of issues with crap on the lens.
now the leveler's work....how?
they just position it so its level? hills must be a blast with your lense pointing at your bumper
they just position it so its level? hills must be a blast with your lense pointing at your bumper
If you load the boot up with stuff, the boot sits much lower, but the front hardly moves. This points the light up in the air - which would dazzle other drivers (as dipped beams have a cut-off to prevent this).
To adjust this, you have a dial you can turn to adjust the level of the headlights... however nobody ever seems to.
Because HID's / Xenon's can blind more easily, equipment in the car is installed to adjust them automatically. In the case of my car, there are sensors on the suspension that monitor the pitch of the car, and adjust the lights accordingly.
If you watch a big Range Rover go over a large bump, you'll probably notice how it blinds you (high up lights do that...), then suddenly the beam goes down and then it returns to normal as the car settles back.
Most of the drivers round here don't bother switching the lights on at all even in the rain and fog!!
I'm with Dan on the whole HID thing.... a pair of Osram Nightbreakers is quite enough light to see where your going. keeping the lights clean is more important IMO
@S14 if you want your car to "look the bizz" thats your choice don't let anyone rip you for it now how about a couple sets of rally giants on the front grille? 
SD.
I'm with Dan on the whole HID thing.... a pair of Osram Nightbreakers is quite enough light to see where your going. keeping the lights clean is more important IMO
@S14 if you want your car to "look the bizz" thats your choice don't let anyone rip you for it
now how about a couple sets of rally giants on the front grille? SD.
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