Loved that, Dario was very open in the interview
Loved that, Dario was very open in the interview
Watched few weeks ago race from tv (cant remember where it was, half of the track was airport) and noticed that indycar drivers make more minor mistakes than f1 drivers. Are indycars harder to handle on road track or is the skill level lower than in f1?
Also noticed Mike Conway. Does he play iRacing?
Also noticed Mike Conway. Does he play iRacing?
Must be St Petersburg.
I think so, the cars are much heavier and have less electronics onboard AFAIK.
I know Justin Wilson does(or at least he is present in more or less every iRacing commercial), but I don't know about Mike Conway.
I think Power should be in F1 by now.
Certainly a better driver than some of the F1 backmarkers...
Bourdais is a fantastic driver and a multiple champion in Champ/Indy, and he was absolutely nowhere in F1, Vettel and Buemi made him look like he couldn't drive.
And power could destroy bourdais anyday, what's your point? 
Just because someone is good in Indycar, doesn't mean he is better than the F1 backmarkers. Buemi isn't exactly a top flight driver, and he destroyed Bourdais. Power could be good, but he could be shite aswell.
I'm not saying Power could man-handle F1 drivers. I'm sure he'll get his butt handed to him, but I'm sure he would do much better than Bourdais did.
Indy at current has much more talent then champ car ever did, i think its a fair judgement.
Let's take a look into this years field (in the current Championship order). Bold are drivers with no CART/ChampCar background, italic drivers who started their IndyCar carrer prior to the reunification.
- Dario Franchitti (1997-2002 in CART, 2nd in 1999 CART, equal points with J.P. Montoya)
- Will Power (2005-reunification ChampCar driver, overall 4th in 2007)
- Tony Kanaan (1998-2002 in CART, 9th in 1998 and 2001)
- Oriol Servià (2000-reunification CART/ChampCar driver, 2nd in 2005)
- Mike Conway (post reunification generation, 2009)
- Alex Tagliani (2000-reunification CART/ChampCar driver, 7th in 2004 and 2005)
- Scott Dixon (2001-2002 CART driver, 8th in 2001)
- Ryan Briscoe (2 ChampCar races in 2006, 21st in points)
- Simona De Silvestro (post reunification generation, 2010)
- Vitor Meira (since 2002 in IndyCars)
- Danica Patrick (since 2005 in IndyCars)
- Raphael Matos (post reunification generation, 2009)
- Takuma Sato (post reunification generation, 2010)
- Hélio Castroneves (as Hélio Neves and Hélio Castro-Neves 1998-2001 CART driver, 4th in 2001)
- Marco Andretti (since 2006 in IndyCars)
- J. R. Hildebrand (post reunification generation, 2010)
- James Hinchcliffe (post reunification generation, 2011)
- Justin Wilson (2005-reunification ChampCar Driver, 2nd in 2006 and 2007)
- Charlie Kimball (post reunification generation, 2011)
- Sebastian Saavedra (post reunification generation, 2010)
- Graham Rahal (2007 ChampCar Driver, 5th)
- Ryan Hunter-Reay (2003-2005 CART/ChampCar Driver)
- James Jakes (post reunification generation, 2011)
- Sébastien Bourdais (2003-2007 CART/ChampCar Driver, 2004,2005,2006,2007 ChampCar Champion)
- Ernesto Viso (post reunification generation, 2008)
- Ana Beatriz (post reunification generation, 2010)
- Simon Pagenaud (2007 ChampCar driver, 8th)
- Paul Tracy (1991-reunification CART/ChampCar driver, 2003 champion)
Yeah, I don't think this is the case.
Any series that let Milka Duno race for 3 seasons isn't up to ChampCar/CART standards.
That said, there are some very good drivers in there, still.
A bit harsh to judge a racing series on one backmarker, no?
After all, didn't F1 had Yuji Ide, Alex Yoong, or Jean-Denis Deletraz?
Alright then...
For me, anything under "Excellent" = no shot whatsoever in F1.
For me, anything under "Excellent" = no shot whatsoever in F1.
Will Powers team in champ car was utter shit, yet he still managed a few wins and poles.
And considering he's untouchable in qualifying(a good measure of raw speed) I think he would be a good shot.
And considering he's untouchable in qualifying(a good measure of raw speed) I think he would be a good shot.
Regardless she came last by miles anyway.
Sorry, but on what are you basing yourself while saying that?
IndyCar and F1 are extremely different series. They have extremely different cars, extremely different tracks, extremely different rulesets. Comparing their drivers and judging their potential abilities to do well at the other side of the pond is just worthless in my mind.
Just to take a few examples. Your "maybe good, probably not" Sato is a former F1 podium finisher. Your "good" Wilson was a rather decent F1 backmarker, though sadly he couldn't really show his actual potential at Minardi and Jaguar. Your "abominable" Viso actually finished 6th in 2006 GP2, not far from teammate Glock, who was far more experienced than him at that time(F1 experience with Jordan, among other).
Yet you pretend that only 1 driver would have his shot in F1? Sorry, but this analysis sounds way too simple to be true.
I do belive that a good part of these people would manage to look decent-ish in F1 with optimal preparation. But this is only my own opinion and I won't try to justify myself.
I'm basing it on my personal opinion, nothing more.
Sato lucked into a podium, but he was otherwise midfield/backmarker and he appears to have gotten lazier/worse since leaving F1.
Wilson looked good in F1 (given his situation) but he's over the hill now.
Viso has wrecked how many cars this season and last season combined?
I know how much of a joke this guy is on that point. I just took a few random examples to show that comparing drivers from different series isn't as much simple as it might look like
Right, but we're talking about the current talent pool in IndyCar, not what those drivers may have been capable of two, five, or ten years ago.
Right, but how can you compare the field with F1 then? Not going through the past at all removes any kind of external "benchmark".
Basing yourslef only on the 2011 IndyCar season will still allow you to pretend safely that Power is better than Beatriz, but not if he is any better than the average F1 driver.
In order to get somewhat of an accurate comparison you must get the talent pool of both series during the current year (which would be 2011).
Taking any past notes is just meaningless. Michael isn't looking like the best in F1 right now is he? Same with Bourdais in IndyCar. You have to take what the people are doing now, and compare it with how the people are doing in F1. F1 isn't that consistent either, they've had quite a few bad drivers go through, but thankfully we don't always see it that much because we are distracted by the "top" drivers.
Benchmark should just check whether the driver has poor equipment, average equipment, or top team equipment. Then compare that with his finishing position, poles, etc in each race.
Wilson has decent equipment, he finishes rather well on the road circuits, however he isn't that consistent. Power has Penske equipment, top of the line. He shows it with poles and race victories. Anyways, I got to cut this post short because I gotta go.
Oh and Sato lucking into a podium? We should mention Danica's win then!
Taking any past notes is just meaningless. Michael isn't looking like the best in F1 right now is he? Same with Bourdais in IndyCar. You have to take what the people are doing now, and compare it with how the people are doing in F1. F1 isn't that consistent either, they've had quite a few bad drivers go through, but thankfully we don't always see it that much because we are distracted by the "top" drivers.
Benchmark should just check whether the driver has poor equipment, average equipment, or top team equipment. Then compare that with his finishing position, poles, etc in each race.
Wilson has decent equipment, he finishes rather well on the road circuits, however he isn't that consistent. Power has Penske equipment, top of the line. He shows it with poles and race victories. Anyways, I got to cut this post short because I gotta go.
Oh and Sato lucking into a podium? We should mention Danica's win then!
Milka isn't even that hot really either. That'd be the only reason to keep a backmarker female around.
Nor was Giovanna Amati
You know you're not hot when your Wikipedia page doesn't have a picture of you.
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