It's about cars and girls And acting goofy of course!

Racing?

So this isn't the cybersex thread then?

Damn it, wrong turn again. Anyone got a map? Could you point me in the direction of the eternally frustrated.

Thnx.

Quote from Becky Rose :

"r u a pussy?" and "r u female?" are not good ways to start a conversation when spotting a female racer and wanting to be sure before you start your smooth moves.

When you talk to a man online you talk about the game, try to do this with girls too ... They're playing the game because they enjoy it and they're into racing ... it's a shared interest and something which might help the two of you get to know each other.

So try not to start with "a/s/l?".

Scoping out your potential "hussy" for potential based upon age and location - after confirming their sex of course - is not going to get you very far.

I am a woman, and I play LFS.

I watch the conversations online and never once have I seen anyone else get asked their sex or age, every now and then I see people get asked where they are from. Yet conversations with me in over 90% of cases always start with age / sex / location.

Do you honestly believe I give i'd date a freak I met on the internet? The answer, before you give opinion, is no. There is a remote chance I might date a normal guy I first meat in LFS - but it wont be because they kept interupting my frikkin driving by demanding my a/s/l and not letting up until I answer when i'm trying to race (or more likely, trying not too crash).

If you really really want to date a girl you meat on LFS, try being normal. Try not being judgemental over whether she's really a woman, and instead of harassing her whilst she is trying to race - how about lending a hand instead of crashing into her because you want her attention.

I don't log on to LFS because I want the server to fall over themselves around me. I log on to race cars because I love car racing, motor racing is in my family.

What's more, i'm middle-aged and too old for half of you, and not attractive enough for the other half.

I just want to race, if I want to play a dating game i'll sign up for ICQ or something.

And I really do not give a damn about whether you believe i'm female or not, I dont have to prove anything to any of you - other than that i'm safe enough to be on the same track, which is arguable.

christ, thanks for that statement of common sense - lfs is turning into yahoo chat - you bunch of dirty beasts you :P

Hey. Someone has to take the moral low ground. Otherwise what would people like Twice Nightly up there have to pontificate against?

look at the end of the day the lass has the right to race on the track without you lads getting your gearknobs twitching... christ you lot are buggered if you ever meet real females...

*goes back to faceparty for weirdo's to make himself feel better*

I totally agree. And I for one will never be seen on the racetrack trying to hASLe a girl.(Did you see what I did there. a.s.l. Hassle. Hasle. Get it?)

I save up all my frustrations and do it here in stead.

I'm not that bad honest. I hope noone takes me too serously.

... "Funnybear" ....

How could we take you seriously?

Thats exactly where I want to be.

Just gonna tell a little story, which I think fits this topic :P

Well, I've been playing this game for a while, hmm actually a year to be full soon , which is in my sig And there was this girl, there are actually lots of girls playing. But this girl, She started playing like after me and now She is way in front of me, her nick is Adorabelle, sounds like the Annabelle of LFS Well, She started to get a long with one guy and they were often chatting over TS and well one day they went to Vegas to meet and a few months ago they bought a house together and are living happily together They even had grandchildren already, but they did move together and now they are one big online gaming family haha

So Love over the internetz and games can happen

Quote from RudiTurbo :

Just gonna tell a little story, which I think fits this topic :P

Well, I've been playing this game for a while, hmm actually a year to be full soon , which is in my sig And there was this girl, there are actually lots of girls playing. But this girl, She started playing like after me and now She is way in front of me, her nick is Adorabelle, sounds like the Annabelle of LFS Well, She started to get a long with one guy and they were often chatting over TS and well one day they went to Vegas to meet and a few months ago they bought a house together and are living happily together They even had grandchildren already, but they did move together and now they are one big online gaming family haha

So Love over the internetz and games can happen

Haha...thats pretty nice story.

I think Becky Roose took it too much seriously.

Met my ex on t'internet. (Take note Bear fans of the 'Ex'). Got to know her on the Tenacious D Forums. She had a kid so I gave some tickets for the Panto we where putting on. Met up, kid had a great time, we had a good chat about life, the universe and everything so we continued to meet up quite a bit. She decided that she really liked me, I'm the kinda guy who goes with the flow, push came to shove and I moved to Cardiff from Oxford.

Two years later . . . .

She don't want me around no more, gained a daughter (Which I have no regrets about whatsoever other than the timing, but hey. Life gives you what life gives you.) and moved back to Oxford. Now scraping whatever living I can trying to get some direction back in my life.

So.

Internet romances. Can be good, certainly started out that way for me. But can be bad, me and my ex had no RL history. Nothing to ground ourselves in other than first reactions. Which arn't always the best ones.

Ironically one of the things she cited against me was that I was a computer geek. (I'm not a major geek, but I do like my games. Maybe I should make that a lesson learned.) We met on the intraweb for ffs! What did she expect!

It works for some people. Me, I'm gunna be a bit more cautious in the future. So any smutty talk from me is just that. Smutty, plain and simple. Dirty as dirt is. Filthy, gutter dwelling, say it like I think it, honest to goodness smut.

So whos for some hanky panky? How's yer father? Duvet double team? The saucy Samba? The Mardi Gra Marimba? Head Board Bashing?

Ok. Ok. I'll stop now. Getting a temperature.

i think we scared her away funnybear ^^

Dont forget, also been proven that women tend to have better reaction times than men do. That's gotta count for something on the racetrack.

Brendan

Better reaction times? Since when? I have seen articles that show due to genetics sim racing can favour women (if you want I'll dig around for it) but reaction time is dependant on the cental nervous system, unless you reckon that thier (generally) smaller frame can give them an advantage in synapse response then I can't see how they could 'generally' have a better reaction time than anyone else. Prediction and appropriate response is what a driver really needs, we all react at pretty much the same speed.

What is this 'woman', 'girl' and 'female' you guys keep talking about? :s

My reactions where blisteringly quick, extremely so. I remember when walking around the Prada in Wein there was this arcade machine type thing for "Alain Prost reaction test times" and I turned out to have faster reactions than the Frenchman himself.

Then middle age happened.

As an avid cross genre gamer my reaction times are very fast, generally faster than is possible without an amount or error in timing/or good guesswork. This does not mean men have faster reactions. Several tests have showed that professional athletes/racers/gamers etc do not have faster reactions UNLESS they are competing in their chosen sport or have just finished doing so.
I remember a trial for Nigel Mansell to test this theory. They had a large wall covered with lights. The wall was maybe 7' square and the lights were spaced evenly over the surface. The object of the game is to hit the lights as they come on. Due to the size of the board there are lights on your periphery vision. Nigel Mansell tried it and scored a very average reaction time of about .25s However, after a quick blast round the track he tried it again (did something like 2-3 qually laps of Silverstone I think). His reaction times were down to a super human .15s. It has been shown that he simply could not have reacted to the lights and hit them in that time if it was only taking the nerve timing into account. There must have been a certain amount of prediction but the other factor is the 'correct response' part of the brain. If he had to process what he was going to do before doing it, it delays the reaction time a good deal. After his little practice session his body was tuned to responding without the 'awake' brain (conciseness) therefore his reactions were quicker. None of this indicates how there could be a better male/female response time as it well known that males (due to testosterone) are better able to shut off the 'awake' brain and simply rely on reactions (getting into the 'zone' - focusing on a single task to the exclusion of everything else). This is actually why females are better at (or at least are genetically predisposed at being better) sims. In a sim you cannot rely on your reactions as you are not being fed the right information to do so. In a sim it is not about balance and feeling the car, you have to translate the visual and audio stimulus into motion information before reacting. The article detailed that it was due to some left/right brain split that enabled females to do this better. The best drivers are the ones that have enough capacity to allow the reactions to deal with the driving of the car and get the rest of their brain to do the thinking for the race, that is the difference between the Prosts, Sennas, Schumachers of the world and the Coulthards, Trullis and all the others that are quick but not really championship material.

Having said all that the more realistic a sim the easier it is to translate the information into 'feeling' a car. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that they can feel the car slide long before it happens and it feels just like it does on the road. After a couple hours of practice last night I was dizzy when I stopped racing, I'm pretty sure this was down to the lack of movement relative to the perceptual movement of the game.

Anyway, genuinely, I'd be interested in information on reaction times if they have proof that there is a genetic split. Cognitive science was one of the more interesting things at uni.

Quote from Becky Rose :

As is well documented now I think, I race karts, and I have to disagree. Nobody pays me the slightest bit of attention when I turn up for a race in a new crowd/series etc. I get the odd look that i'd get anywhere, but it's not a suprise to see a woman at a race track wearing overalls.

I agree.. I've raced with a fair few women in karts and many of them have been pretty damn good. I've heard stuff like '"She's way too agressive, she's running everyone off the track" ... but I hear the exact same about all other drivers that drive in the same way.

Quote from Bramski :

you can bet your bottom dollar that the woman will back off first, and that's not because they're weaker than men, it's because they're not being driven by testosterone.

I disagree.. because if you're letting testosterone control how you drive especially ito a braking area you're an amateur driver doing his first few laps in a race car. To be fast and cool under racing conditions you don't get overcome by testosterone.. that only happens the first time you drive a faster car/bike than you have before and goes away after a lap.

Quote from yegadoyai :

As an avid cross genre gamer my reaction times are very fast, generally faster than is possible without an amount or error in timing/or good guesswork. This does not mean men have faster reactions. Several tests have showed that professional athletes/racers/gamers etc do not have faster reactions UNLESS they are competing in their chosen sport or have just finished doing so.
I remember a trial for Nigel Mansell to test this theory. They had a large wall covered with lights. The wall was maybe 7' square and the lights were spaced evenly over the surface. The object of the game is to hit the lights as they come on. Due to the size of the board there are lights on your periphery vision. Nigel Mansell tried it and scored a very average reaction time of about .25s However, after a quick blast round the track he tried it again (did something like 2-3 qually laps of Silverstone I think). His reaction times were down to a super human .15s. It has been shown that he simply could not have reacted to the lights and hit them in that time if it was only taking the nerve timing into account. There must have been a certain amount of prediction but the other factor is the 'correct response' part of the brain. If he had to process what he was going to do before doing it, it delays the reaction time a good deal. After his little practice session his body was tuned to responding without the 'awake' brain (conciseness) therefore his reactions were quicker. None of this indicates how there could be a better male/female response time as it well known that males (due to testosterone) are better able to shut off the 'awake' brain and simply rely on reactions (getting into the 'zone' - focusing on a single task to the exclusion of everything else). This is actually why females are better at (or at least are genetically predisposed at being better) sims. In a sim you cannot rely on your reactions as you are not being fed the right information to do so. In a sim it is not about balance and feeling the car, you have to translate the visual and audio stimulus into motion information before reacting. The article detailed that it was due to some left/right brain split that enabled females to do this better. The best drivers are the ones that have enough capacity to allow the reactions to deal with the driving of the car and get the rest of their brain to do the thinking for the race, that is the difference between the Prosts, Sennas, Schumachers of the world and the Coulthards, Trullis and all the others that are quick but not really championship material.

Having said all that the more realistic a sim the easier it is to translate the information into 'feeling' a car. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that they can feel the car slide long before it happens and it feels just like it does on the road. After a couple hours of practice last night I was dizzy when I stopped racing, I'm pretty sure this was down to the lack of movement relative to the perceptual movement of the game.

Anyway, genuinely, I'd be interested in information on reaction times if they have proof that there is a genetic split. Cognitive science was one of the more interesting things at uni.

I showed the same reaction time improvement at the Science museum in Boston. They have a reaction tester. When I tried it 'cold' I was getting 0.22-0.25 secs reaction times, and this was favourable compared to their charts of results. Eventually, with total focus to the task, I had shaved it to 0.13 - 0.15 secs.

I guess most people's reactions when alert but not totally focused (in the 'zone', whatever) are going to be around the 0.2-0.3 seconds. Rather than a driver or athlete having particularly great reflexes, most of the skill is how quickly and completely they focus and how long they can stay there. Obviously there are many other areas that distinguish athletes - there is no use of great reaction times if the reactions you make are wrong....

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Originally Posted by Bramskiyou can bet your bottom dollar that the woman will back off first, and that's not because they're weaker than men, it's because they're not being driven by testosterone.

How did I miss this at the time? I totally disagree, I can be extremely agressive when racing, extremely, and it's nothing to do with hormones.

Agression on the race track is calculated, the desire to overtake is there, the pace (touch wood) is often there, all that is needed is the right circumstances and that comes from either manipulating the lead cars positions on the track - this is referred too as race craft - or sometimes though the opportunity doesn't arrive from a planned attack but instead this comes from a mistake (often the mistake is forced or occurs as a result of harassment), this is the ingredient you are refering too when talking about backing off first, and when this occurs you will have a hard job finding a more agressive driver than me.

It comes from confidence, not testosterone, having enough faith in ones machine and your control over it that you know you can get through the corner first and be out in time for kippers. To some extent knowledge of the other driver can effect confidence, but for my part I know myself and my machine well enough to get involved in a bit of argy bargy - and when it comes to brakes i've got the best and a good 2 metres lead over my rivals on the big stops to begin with ... All last season in club racing I was never once overtaken in a stopping zone and did the majority of my own overtakes on the big stops - I only lost out to anyone on the straights (we where down on power until we got the engines retuned).

So you might think i'll back out first because of a stereotype, but in reality you'd be overtaken whilst trying to prove the theory .

:hbomb:

So tempting to put in the obvious post about "being a girl you'll never know what testosterone will do to you". But really can't be bothered. Enough said, girls and boys are different, who brakes last (and gets away with it) is more often down to expeirence rather than hormones.

Quote from Becky Rose :

There is a remote chance I might date a normal guy I first meat in LFS

Now, I've meated girls, but never over the internet--not even from more than half a foot away. How might I use this new technology when racing?

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I've meated girls

Well less freudian slips about how you meated girls might help...

Did you read also the quote in post 255, Becky?