Nothing is attached

But yes I see how it would be useful, especially for knowing which way T1 is with AS2 vs AS3 so I'll make a list and edit it into this post soon.

Ahhh, lol, omg, damn attachments. Added now, and big thanks for considering the changes!

PS: That T1 knowledge would be good, the problem is that when the forward version has the usual T1, the reversed version of the same track will almost certainly have a different T1. The way to deal with this would be to use a non-symmetric numbering, meaning that e.g. the reversed version of A22 would be something like A3xR. Uhm. That would be rather even more confusing!

Well I certainly don't think we should be changing the circuit code for a reversed layout. I suppose it comes down to what will cause more carnage - not having the correct T1 for a normal direction (which are used more often than reverse), or people not knowing the reversed T1 - at least if we change the numbering we can be sure that the normal T1 will be known, and hopefully once people get used to the layouts they will remember the reversed T1

And Insim can check the width of a checkpoint right? Just making sure...

Definitely agreed on that T1 on normal track direction stuff!

Here's an extended table with added proposed codes. The important renames are marked with ! before track code, the ! behind track code means this one will need to be added to achieve continuous numbering. I also added a name for new proposed A13, but maybe it will not be acceptable.


Summary of important renumbering: A13 -> A71, A21 -> A31, A23 -> A33, A24 -> A21 (this is to keep continuous numbers without gaps), F15 -> F31, F21 -> F51 (done already in Airio, F21 is a new/different track there), F26 -> F52 (done) – overall that is 5 important track re-names for me.

Tracks to be supported soon to achieve continuous/smooth numbering: A13 (the proposed banana shape), A32 (now A26), A23 (now A27), F22, F23 – that is 5 tracks to add. When the tracks are renumbered and the new ones added, the following will be supported by Airio/AIRW: A11-4, A71, A21-3, A31-3, F11, F21-5, F31, F51-2.

PS: Yes, all information about all layout objects is available to InSim. This includes checkpoint width/orientation and restricted zone diameter.

Will get the layouts ordered up tonight.

haha "Banana Strip"

We also need a name for the new F21 track, last line of my listing. Maybe a color? It is like FE4 but without the FE1 part and with the mini-oval, so...?

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We also need a name for the new F21 track, last line of my listing. Maybe a color? It is like FE4 but without the FE1 part and with the mini-oval, so...?

That track but with the oval bit correct? We already had named this Silver, and with the oval bits added (like Green and Black) we would just add "Alternative" at the end. Therefore this would just be called "Silver Alternative".

Generally, what about the renaming, is it acceptable, does my proposal look OK or do you prefer something else? Airio 2.5.6 is now ready, all new custom tracks support debugged (uhm), so finalizing the track numbers is the last thing.

Yeah all the re-numbering is in the works. I finished FE (might need to add that last one actually), and AS1X/Y layouts were all converted and is done. KY never changed. I think the only ones Boothy had left was to sort out was the AS2X/Y configs and how to re-number them. I think he will have them done soon before I even get home to help.

What are the differences between the "20110501" and the "20110627" files attached in the first post?

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What are the differences between the "20110501" and the "20110627" files attached in the first post?

From the first post:

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UPDATE: June 30th 2011

Updated layouts to BL, KY, A11-A13, A21-23, F11, and F25 with new layout object additions such as curbs and brake markers.

We will be coming out with another hopefully today or by the end of the weekend. Going to add a couple more combinations from suggestions in this thread, also finalizing things for Airio such as names, checkpoints, restricted areas, etc.

We already have that, it's called K31, is supported by Airio, and it doesn't have shitloads of useless objects

sorry, i'be missed to say that i'be put all the "safety" measures that use cargame on both track, that why have so many ( for you ) Unusefull objects..., but since there is already a lty and supported by airio is ok

Thx and sorry

Any news? Airio 2.5.6 is fully (uhm) tested, the AIRW database is working as it should, it would be great to have the first set of "official" layouts.

Well, I'm going to post the track list here, so you can help fill some of the info out/check the numbering. Still checking/finishing the FE tracks, but here's the track list in the meantime.

Haaa, it looks great! Just a few comments, all using the new codes (1st column):

• A13 (banana route?) should probably be just AS1X, with barriers showing the right way for normal/reversed version.
  
• A71, F22, F24, F25 Airio PTHs are done.
  
• F24 could be maybe Mini Oval?

I see almost all the tracks that can be supported now are done, the only two exceptions are F23 (for which there is F21 layout in Airio LYTs that could be probably used), and F25 (with F25 LYT, again amongst the Airio LYTs). Once these two are added, Airio 2.5.6 and AIRW could be released in the final form.

This is my first try with the new version of the editor. It's only a small part of the track because i ran out of objects... .

:ices_rofl


haha Cruise everywhere :hidesbehi

Quote from EQ Worry :

Haaa, it looks great! Just a few comments, all using the new codes (1st column):

• A13 (banana route?) should probably be just AS1X, with barriers showing the right way for normal/reversed version.
  
• A71, F22, F24, F25 Airio PTHs are done.
  
• F24 could be maybe Mini Oval?
  

I see almost all the tracks that can be supported now are done, the only two exceptions are F23 (for which there is F21 layout in Airio LYTs that could be probably used), and F25 (with F25 LYT, again amongst the Airio LYTs). Once these two are added, Airio 2.5.6 and AIRW could be released in the final form.

Ok, here's all of the layouts apart from the half-finished banana one.

Some notes:
cleaned up most of the Aston layouts (only moved a split in A29)
changed your B21 barriers to armco/bales
added Island configs for F31-3, moved split 2 to the Gold position on F32 and to the middle of the island on F31/3
cleaned up and make other FE layouts consistent, moved F41/2 split 2 to the oval
perhaps F21 I think it is needs its mini-oval split lengthened

Hopefully everything is fine for you

Thanks! I went through all the layouts that interest me, updating Airio and paths as necessary. I noticed two things:

1) Maybe the F21 and F22 layouts are switched? Now F21 is called Silver and includes mini-oval, while F22 is called Silver Aternative, without mini-oval. Is this intentional?

2) And this is somehow more serious/important. For relatively simple support of custom tracks in Airio the second number of custom track/layout MUST correspond to the third number of the open track. That means AS1X_A72.lyt is wrong layout name, it must be AS7X_A72.lyt. I believe this requirement is rather logical – when someone wants an A3x custom tracks, he would expect it to be under AS3X/Y. Fortunately this is simple renaming question.

I have renamed for Airio all supported layouts that required this according to point 2. So I'm only confused a bit about point 1 above. When it is resolved, we can move forward.

PS: Oh, I also updated an F33 split a bit, so that even the normal version has it close to the island.

I need to stop failing - seems like I didn't actually move the splits in the ones that I saved and copied over to dropbox. F31R has the split where it should be at the island, and F32R has the split at the same place as FE3 - so just have a quick look at those

1. - hmm seems like a mistake on our part so you're safe to rename them. Phil added in the Silver alternative so that F25 kept its number

2. - I had considered that, but felt that we'd just keep them on the same layout base track for now and see what you had to say about it. The thing that I'm concerned about is that if you split them into like, AS1, AS2, AS3, AS4 and AS6, you need to reload the track more often than if you just keep the AS1/2 depending on the pitlane and reload the layout. Dunno really...

But if you could update the tracklist as well and include it with Airio that'd be lovely.

Not suitable for having pit entry I think but:

FE1X only






I will build the layout later if someone is interested about it

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... F31R has the split where it should be at the island, and F32R has the split at the same place as FE3 ... hmm seems like a mistake on our part so you're safe to rename them ... we'd just keep them on the same layout base track for now ...

Thanks again for all the updates and info. I took most of the layouts as they were, without any changes. I moved the F3x island splits to approx. the same places, switched F21 and F22 layouts (F21 is Silver, without oval, F22 is Silver Alt, with oval), and I also renamed the layouts so that they use proper open track name.

I see your point in having less track reloads, but I found layouts with names like AS2Y_A72 confusing, appearing where I was not expecting them and vice versa. Keeping the mixed name would also require Airio updates and I'm not sure how safe this would be, so new tests would be necessary, uhmmm... Overall, it makes more sense to me to base A7x on AS7x than on AS1x.

Appended are two sets of layouts. One is a set to be distributed with current Airio (PROS version, which is the only one fully supporting custom tracks), containing all the prepared and tested tracks. It is 20 tracks = 40 layouts, I just hope they're all OK and renamed as they should be. All split/finish lines and restricted zones in these layouts are fixed and may not be changed: A11 A12 A14 A21 A22 A31 A32 A71 B11 B21 K21 K31 K32 F11 F22 F24 F25 F33 F51 F52

The second set contains the remaining layouts that are not yet supported in Airio. Some of those will be supported when I have time to create PTH files for them and extend Airio code a bit to accommodate the updates (probably in version 2.5.7). First I'd like to fill the gaps in supported custom tracks (A13 A23 A33 F21 F23 F31 F32) and then probably add some A72+ tracks to have a nearly complete set. This would be one-layout-at-a-time process, so not as confusing as this 40-layouts-right-now crash.

First post has an update.

New pack can be found there, or just click here.


We fixed many of the layouts that was needed by EQ Worry. We also added A15 and A75, which are layouts added by the community. With these additions, we need you guys to create names for us.

Banana Track has been already named.

However A15 and A75 need naming, these layouts are from image in this post. A15 is the short version shown in that image, while A75 is the long version going through the North section. If anyone can help create useful names for those two it would be much appreciated.

Thanks.