http://www.thespec.com/news/on ... rie-speedway-deal-is-dead

That lasted long.

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That lasted long.

Don't you mean



nubidiot

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stupidity

Getoud

http://aol.sportingnews.com/na ... ona?modid=recommended_1_5

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The new cars will have 100 pounds less weight on the right side of the car and 60 pounds less weight on the left side of the car.

“The potential is there for it to create much better racing,” Cup champion Brad Keselowski said a few weeks ago. “The potential is for it to be quite a bit more. There are boxes that are opening up with the car, the most significant box is the car is lighter and has better weight distribution in general.

“That should allow Goodyear to build a better tire that is less prone to failure and permits side-by-side racing because of it’s grip-to-aero-balance that the car generates.”

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http://aol.sportingnews.com/na ... ona?modid=recommended_1_5

Link is broken, but I never posted the other 60 being taken out of the left side of the car?

I was more excited about this new car for 2013 than I was the 2012 season ever since I'd heard of them testing them at Martinsville and taking weight away. That was honestly a big issue that should have been addressed earlier. Then they started talking aero reduction . I wouldn't expect the racing to be great or maybe even good to start with, but it will get better through the year and by 2014 it should be well beyond what it was this year. That they are finally working on the cars again and working towards better racing is great news.

Then I saw them in person (Ford Fusion & Toyota Camery anyways).. and they look exactly like the street versions. That alone is a huge step forward.

Edit: Here's the link: http://aol.sportingnews.com/na ... testing-charlotte-daytona

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Link is broken, but I never posted the other 60 being taken out of the left side of the car?

I was more excited about this new car for 2013 than I was the 2012 season ever since I'd heard of them testing them at Martinsville and taking weight away. That was honestly a big issue that should have been addressed earlier. Then they started talking aero reduction . I wouldn't expect the racing to be great or maybe even good to start with, but it will get better through the year and by 2014 it should be well beyond what it was this year. That they are finally working on the cars again and working towards better racing is great news.

Then I saw them in person (Ford Fusion & Toyota Camery anyways).. and they look exactly like the street versions. That alone is a huge step forward.

Edit: Here's the link: http://aol.sportingnews.com/na ... testing-charlotte-daytona

For the bold, they actually ended up adding downforce to the car. I disagree with it personally but they act like it produces better racing. They'll also probably lower the power next year.

The decrease in weight should help Goodyear fix their tires.

Thanks for fixing the link, no idea why it was broke.

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Then I saw them in person (Ford Fusion & Toyota Camery anyways).. and they look exactly like the street versions. That alone is a huge step forward.

pics?

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pics?

I'm not a real camera person. I was lucky to get proof that I went to Dover and Bristol this year period. I didn't take any pictures at Kentucky at all now that I think of it. There a few images on these pages and these are the first pictures of the real deal that I have seen outside of the stock images from the makes. (the #9 is actually just a diecast, but it works I suppose)

Ambrose's Fusion 2013
Truex's Camry 2013

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For the bold, they actually ended up adding downforce to the car. I disagree with it personally but they act like it produces better racing. They'll also probably lower the power next year.

The decrease in weight should help Goodyear fix their tires.

Thanks for fixing the link, no idea why it was broke.

Strange . I read on NASCAR.com - if I could find the article - that they don't plan on changing the power this year, but they are looking at it down the road (from a Robin Pemberton quote) so I wouldn't count on that happening in 2013. The only way more downforce can add more mechanical grip or better racing is if the car has so much downforce that it can be nearly wide open every where like the trucks .

Where did you read or discover that bit of information?

Edit: http://www.usatoday.com/story/ ... -less-horsepower/1695887/

Sigh, yes less horse power and more downforce WOULD produce better racing (at the bigger speedways), but only because the distance between one car to another would be less due to reduced speeds. Less power makes a short track race less exciting. Look at how boring the Truck races at Bristol always are

It'll just be a little bit faster version of Nationwide, however the decrease in weight should help the balance of the car, allowing Goodyear to produce tires that can actually be raced properly on.

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It'll just be a little bit faster version of Nationwide, however the decrease in weight should help the balance of the car, allowing Goodyear to produce tires that can actually be raced properly on.

Yeah, the tires are a plus regardless and the look of the cars is better, but I like speed . The Nationwide cars are visably slower, and less power and more downforce would make them easier to drive.. which would close up the pack, but wait a second... didn't they try restricted cup cars at New Hampshire one year and the #18 lead the whole race?

I want to see them on the edge of control, not this nearly wide open high downforce package

NASCAR = idiots...

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Yeah, the tires are a plus regardless and the look of the cars is better, but I like speed . The Nationwide cars are visably slower, and less power and more downforce would make them easier to drive.. which would close up the pack, but wait a second... didn't they try restricted cup cars at New Hampshire one year and the #18 lead the whole race?

I want to see them on the edge of control, not this nearly wide open high downforce package

2000 Dura Lube 300. It was Jeff Burton who led all laps. However think of the Nationwide races at some of the bigger tracks, they can provide decent racing. The trucks always put on the best show most of the time. Of course, knocking down the cars 100hp would still have them at 750hp. With them also being lighter, they will still be much faster than both the Nationwide and the trucks, that isn't necessarily the problem.

Average speeds probably won't fall at most tracks. Increase in downforce coupled with the lighter cars should increase speeds through the corner, while the lesser hp engines will just keep them from reaching ridiculous speeds on the straights. It's a balancing act essentially.

The era of searching for mechanical grip is nearly long gone, as we get more into the bigger tracks and farther and farther away from the short tracks that used to fill more of the schedule. 80% of the schedule is now tracks that are aero dependent. IMO it should have been a downforce cut to the rear and side of the car. I do agree with the weight cut however. The reason they seemed to go with the higher downforce is because the drivers and their data concluded that it was going to provide better racing, with less worries of aero push.

Todd Bodine fired.

http://motorsports-soapbox.blo ... ine-out-at-red-horse.html

And NHMS under the lights? http://blog.masslive.com/racin ... _according_to_survey.html

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2000 Dura Lube 300. It was Jeff Burton who led all laps. However think of the Nationwide races at some of the bigger tracks, they can provide decent racing. The trucks always put on the best show most of the time. Of course, knocking down the cars 100hp would still have them at 750hp. With them also being lighter, they will still be much faster than both the Nationwide and the trucks, that isn't necessarily the problem.

Average speeds probably won't fall at most tracks. Increase in downforce coupled with the lighter cars should increase speeds through the corner, while the lesser hp engines will just keep them from reaching ridiculous speeds on the straights. It's a balancing act essentially.

The era of searching for mechanical grip is nearly long gone, as we get more into the bigger tracks and farther and farther away from the short tracks that used to fill more of the schedule. 80% of the schedule is now tracks that are aero dependent. IMO it should have been a downforce cut to the rear and side of the car. I do agree with the weight cut however. The reason they seemed to go with the higher downforce is because the drivers and their data concluded that it was going to provide better racing, with less worries of aero push.

It might not be the best racing, but I would like to see more driver skill involved where possible, so more power less downforce would please me even if it didn't open up more passing oppertunities (I know it would do that). I wouldn't be trigger happy saying that they for sure will add downforce and take horsepower, because the cars that they have been using up to now ('13 models) havn't even been made of sheet metal to reduce costs. This December's Charlotte test will be the first to use race ready vehicles . I doubt it will change anything, but I hope that it will.

The Sprint Cup Awards Banquet is Friday night on Speed (8 PM EST) if anybody cares to watch it.. I probably won't.

I'm going to Daytona in February for 12 days orso.
Going to watch some Pickup trucks, ARCA, Nationwide, World of Outlaws etc...

Your going to see the 500 i hope?

Yep

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Yep

Humm, be sure to sit high before all else there (not the back striaght if you can help it). Best seat there would be between the start/finish line and pit exit closer to the start/finish line (unless you get the Sprint Tower in the center which is VERY expensive ).

Never been there for a race, but I have walked the grandstands

Have fun

Thanks for the tip. But we'll see. We are going to order the tickets this week!

Will be fun

Think tickets per person for the whole vacation will be around 500€

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I'm going to Daytona in February for 12 days orso.
Going to watch some Pickup trucks, ARCA, Nationwide, World of Outlaws etc...

Good deal. World of Outlaws at Volusia I assume? Find the guy selling pork chop sandwiches in the concession area...they're amazing.

I also agree with Cornys, sit as high up as you can afford even if its not in the middle of the track. We sat by the entrance to the pits a couple years ago but we weren't high enough to see them all the way around the track, we kind of expected that but higher is definitely better.

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Good deal. World of Outlaws at Volusia I assume? Find the guy selling pork chop sandwiches in the concession area...they're amazing.

I also agree with Cornys, sit as high up as you can afford even if its not in the middle of the track. We sat by the entrance to the pits a couple years ago but we weren't high enough to see them all the way around the track, we kind of expected that but higher is definitely better.

+1. Was in T4 July 2001 and couldn't see as much as I wanted. Sitting higher is better at big tracks like that.

@Scrabby: Only about 45 minutes from me. If you need directions or any other help, just ask.

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Todd Bodine fired.

http://motorsports-soapbox.blo ... ine-out-at-red-horse.html

And NHMS under the lights? http://blog.masslive.com/racin ... _according_to_survey.html

NHMS and lights won't happen, they got to get out of the contract and convince two police departments and towns to let NHMS run under lights.

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wth