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On the other topic : Ferrari's strategy team just keeps on undermining themselves. I feel nostalgic of Brawn/Ferrari days just thinking of this.

There are good analysis how many points they lost last year playing it too safe at times (Monaco most noted race iirc or it was two years ago...) Anyway, reading this interviews two stops in 5 laps is a little bit too much of a punishment.
What sort of reasoning is that. Gosh, it makes it sound as if they weren't even bold to stay out than rather just plain frustration. A stop costs, what 30ish second with the nose change, say Alonso would drive 10-20sec quicker race than Massa and how easy DRS overtakes are on that track and traffic hold ups which shows Alonso would have been right in the Kimi/Hulkenberg fight and watching at the points, Kimi is as much as in class a of title rivals so far.
And honestly, why don't this teams in F1 test out scenarios such as this in secret and find out for themselves where the risk limit is. They're running on millions budgets on tens of years of experience and obviously they can see that matter a fact most of the racing isn't done in perfect conditions.

I do believe it was the team who made this mistake of not being clear enough to Alonso that he must pit in their attitude to collect every point available such as Alonso's attitude is. Perhaps Ferrari needs to make a very deep and thrower analysis of new tires/wings/fuel/drs data collected over past years and make new standards in strategy. Make sure that when they play bold it's just a normal thing for them and when they play safe it's the only thing they can do, rather than having reasoning controlled by satisfaction of current position or frustration with current position.
#227 - CSF
Quote from BlueFlame :Ye Mateschitz and Webber are close but I think Dietrich understands that fundamentally the 2009 and subsequent cars were children of Newey and Webber and that Vettel wouldn't have jack if it wasn't for Webber.

Does this mean that the 2008 STR was great because of Vettel, but the 2008 RBR wasn't good because of DC?
Quote from CSF :Does this mean that the 2008 STR was great because of Vettel, but the 2008 RBR wasn't good because of DC?

WTF. You just missed the point entirely.
#230 - CSF
Quote from BlueFlame :WTF. You just missed the point entirely.

No, I'm using your logic against you. It's apparently Webber and Newey's fault that Seb is winning as they developed a superb package. However, you seem to also want to forget that Webber was at RBR in 07 and 08 and in 08 they were behind STR, driven by Vettel. I guess that was DC's fault rather than Mark's and Adrian's? Or did you just not actually have a point? Maybe Seb joining RBR was the final piece in the jigsaw that David and Adrian built. Hmm. David Coulthard master of all Red Bull. Nice.
Quote from CSF :No, I'm using your logic against you. It's apparently Webber and Newey's fault that Seb is winning as they developed a superb package. However, you seem to also want to forget that Webber was at RBR in 07 and 08 and in 08 they were behind STR, driven by Vettel. I guess that was DC's fault rather than Mark's and Adrian's? Or did you just not actually have a point? Maybe Seb joining RBR was the final piece in the jigsaw that David and Adrian built. Hmm. David Coulthard master of all Red Bull. Nice.

Again WTF, this isn't logic this is just the placement of names and words in random order.
#232 - CSF
Please enlighten the forum then professor flame.
Quote from Shotglass :i bet vettel will be highly interested in the oppinion of a guy who in his career as team owner has collected less points than vettel usually does in a single race (even under the old point distribution)

...yeah, that's especially relevant, since Minardi's cumulative budget under Stoddart was probably a fraction of Red Bull's current annual budget.
Quote from amp88 :...yeah, that's especially relevant, since Minardi's cumulative budget under Stoddart was probably a fraction of Red Bull's current annual budget.

so what youre saying is you agree with me that his oppinion on the conduct within a world championship contending team and that of a triple world champion is utterly worthless?
Quote from Shotglass :so what youre saying is you agree with me that his oppinion on the conduct within a world championship contending team and that of a triple world champion is utterly worthless?

No, I'm saying that your assessment on his credibility as a commenter (by referencing how few points Minardi scored) was worthless.
im starting to get the feeling we wont end up agreeing on his worthlessness
Quote from Shotglass :im starting to get the feeling we wont end up agreeing on his worthlessness

Perhaps not, but might we agree on the worthlessness of judging his comments based on his budgetary constraints whilst at Minardi? Unless you think only senior management who've tried to control a combination of a triple world champion and a driver who's never been world champion is the only qualification to be able to make a worthwhile comment on team orders.
Guys, why don't you do something you both can agree on! Like flaming BlueFlame or Intrepid for their views on F1. Especially Intrepid's "insight" by once helping Lewis Hamilton start a kart or something.
Quote from dawesdust_12 :Guys, why don't you do something you both can agree on! Like flaming BlueFlame or Intrepid for their views on F1. Especially Intrepid's "insight" by once helping Lewis Hamilton start a kart or something.

No, it was Ayrton Senna. Or Fangio. I forget which. Anyway, it was a public funded go kart, so he had to kill all the staff.
Quote from amp88 :Perhaps not, but might we agree on the worthlessness of judging his comments based on his budgetary constraints whilst at Minardi?

maybe maybe not
im not exactly surprised that a guy who says he would have taken vettel out deliberabtely in webbers position failed to impress sponsors and earn their trust in his ability to use their money in a meaningful valuable way
not to mention that webber nearly did take vettel out and did run vettel off the track

Quote from dawesdust_12 :Guys, why don't you do something you both can agree on! Like flaming BlueFlame or Intrepid for their views on F1. Especially Intrepid's "insight" by once helping Lewis Hamilton start a kart or something.

be careful what you wish for as we might both agree to disagree with your ridiculous and misguided ideas of what makes an operating system worthwhile
Quote from Shotglass :be careful what you wish for as we might both agree to disagree with your ridiculous and misguided ideas of what makes an operating system worthwhile

You'd still be wrong, but that's an argument for a thread that doesn't exist.
So Vettel got off then. So, in the end, it was worth making Horner and co look like amateurs.
It doesn't matter if the car earned the championships, when you have 3 DWC you can get away with a lot (Just look at what Schumi did get away with and almost got away with).
Quote from Intrepid :So Vettel got off then. So, in the end, it was worth making Horner and co look like amateurs.

I actually agree with that. So those theories about Vettel being favored are definitely starting to hold water now.
If he's truly regretting his "mistake" I'm sure the opportunity to give Mark back the win he took from him will present itself soon enough.
Oh wait, all the apologies and talk are simply his/their way of avoiding actually having to do anything meaningful.
Quote from sinbad :
Oh wait, all the apologies and talk are simply his/their way of avoiding actually having to do anything meaningful.

Sounds like Vettel alright.
when will you all stop conveniently ignoring this line from that bbc article?
2011 British Grand Prix - Webber ignored team orders not to pass Vettel
which webber got off for in 2011 just like vettel did now
Quote from Shotglass :when will you all stop conveniently ignoring this line from that bbc article?
2011 British Grand Prix - Webber ignored team orders not to pass Vettel
which webber got off for in 2011 just like vettel did now

Yea but they just diced abit and Webber didn't end up ahead did he?

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