Agree totally Tristan =) Agree totally Tristan =)Yeah I agree too Tristan.
But I do have one question (not being cheeky!):
What DO you like?
lol
For a fellow with a lot of useful and interesting automotive knowledge, your passion for cars seems terribly specific!
But I do have one question (not being cheeky!):
What DO you like?
lol
For a fellow with a lot of useful and interesting automotive knowledge, your passion for cars seems terribly specific!
It's not what I do like - I like some bits of most cars. My 'problem' is that I see the flaws in every car, and for me modern cars are full of flaws.
Most are soulless, boring, overly safe, sloppy handling, cheaply styled, cheaply made, over tyred, overweight shopping trolleys.
My ideal car is one you can really love (to the point where you'd consider spending two or three times it's worth to keep it on the road sort of love - it's hard to explain soul in a car, or character. A lot of people assume character = unreliability, but I don't believe that is necessary), with a neutral balance, no safety aids other than a good chassis, good brakes and quick throttle response. The handling must be tight, and willing to do what you want, even if that's changing lines mid corner. I can just about let cheaply styled go, as modern cars are starting to try and look different from each other, but cheaply mad just makes my skin crawl - bumpers glued on with foam, plastic clips everywhere that break if you look at them etc. And why do modern cars insist on having 200 section tyres or more - there is no real need. 99% of people don't drive at more than 40% of the 'limit', and it's highly likely that less tyre would make the cars more predictable at the limit anyway, and means hooligans like me (occasionally) can actually slide the car, and play with it. On the road I find just going round a corner without drama a touch boring (but I don't see the point of sliding on the track still
). And I don't like the fact that a supermini weighs 1500kg, and supercars often 1800+kg. I think all cars should have a maximum mass of 1000kg no matter what they are.
So, when you look at all of these there aren't many cars I CAN like totally. New Ferraris are big girly cars, as are Porsches. Lambos are now Audi got them. Pagini paid his stylist too much and ruin the looks of the car with far too much detailing. Only Koenigsegg of the modern supercars produce something that will openly and happily kill you at the drop of the hat. I'd have two (without rear wings please).
For road cars that are within my finances, I have no option but to have an MX-5. There is NOTHING else on the road that is as good for my budget. I'd have one over an S2000 (all revs, no go and little handling), a Boxster (I admit I haven't driven one, but as I'm not 45 and balding it's actually illegal for me to own one in the UK anyway, and I just don't like Porsches, except the brakes which are Brembos anyway). I'd have a Seven, as long as it was either a proper Lotus or a Caterham. I don't think I could bring myself to have a cheap replica of a replica. The Stratos I love, and it WILL kill you even before you consider dropping your hat. Our TVR Griffith is another one that will kill you, only with this it's likely you'll actually see the tree you hit.
I applaud things like the new Civic for trying to look different, even if it looks awful in my opinion (maybe the one time the Type-R version will look better than the standard version imo). I think BMW, which were struggling to produce drivers cars anyway, devalued themselves by trying to make their cars look cool. Chris Bangle should be shot (although I saw a pre-Bangle 318 yesterday and decided Bangle has done one car proficiently).
So there you go. If you can make a car that fits my requirements, preferrably that I can afford then do let me know. But don't overstyle a car that doesn't need it, and don't pretend that your car is something it isn't (like pretending that a FWD car can EVER be a sports car). Don't EVER bolt something to your car that doesn't ACTUALLY make it faster in the REAL WORLD. Don't fit bigger wheels because you want looks - fit bigger wheels (if you really have to) solely because they are lighter. It's actually VERY rare that aftermarket wheels are lighter than standard ones. Don't fit stiffer springs and uprated dampers at the same time either. Save up and get springs, dampers and wheels that PERFECTLY compliment each other. Car and race manufacturers spend thousands of hours matching unsprung weights, tyre flex, spring performance and damper matching. It's highly unlikely that you'll improve HANDLING for less than £20,000 (inc. labour), although just bolting on wider tyres will get your more grip at the EXPENSE of handling.
Obviously there are exceptions to this, so if you can think of one example that 'proves me wrong', then chances are you're either mistaken or you are one of those exceptions.
Most are soulless, boring, overly safe, sloppy handling, cheaply styled, cheaply made, over tyred, overweight shopping trolleys.
My ideal car is one you can really love (to the point where you'd consider spending two or three times it's worth to keep it on the road sort of love - it's hard to explain soul in a car, or character. A lot of people assume character = unreliability, but I don't believe that is necessary), with a neutral balance, no safety aids other than a good chassis, good brakes and quick throttle response. The handling must be tight, and willing to do what you want, even if that's changing lines mid corner. I can just about let cheaply styled go, as modern cars are starting to try and look different from each other, but cheaply mad just makes my skin crawl - bumpers glued on with foam, plastic clips everywhere that break if you look at them etc. And why do modern cars insist on having 200 section tyres or more - there is no real need. 99% of people don't drive at more than 40% of the 'limit', and it's highly likely that less tyre would make the cars more predictable at the limit anyway, and means hooligans like me (occasionally) can actually slide the car, and play with it. On the road I find just going round a corner without drama a touch boring (but I don't see the point of sliding on the track still
). And I don't like the fact that a supermini weighs 1500kg, and supercars often 1800+kg. I think all cars should have a maximum mass of 1000kg no matter what they are.So, when you look at all of these there aren't many cars I CAN like totally. New Ferraris are big girly cars, as are Porsches. Lambos are now Audi got them. Pagini paid his stylist too much and ruin the looks of the car with far too much detailing. Only Koenigsegg of the modern supercars produce something that will openly and happily kill you at the drop of the hat. I'd have two (without rear wings please).
For road cars that are within my finances, I have no option but to have an MX-5. There is NOTHING else on the road that is as good for my budget. I'd have one over an S2000 (all revs, no go and little handling), a Boxster (I admit I haven't driven one, but as I'm not 45 and balding it's actually illegal for me to own one in the UK anyway, and I just don't like Porsches, except the brakes which are Brembos anyway). I'd have a Seven, as long as it was either a proper Lotus or a Caterham. I don't think I could bring myself to have a cheap replica of a replica. The Stratos I love, and it WILL kill you even before you consider dropping your hat. Our TVR Griffith is another one that will kill you, only with this it's likely you'll actually see the tree you hit.
I applaud things like the new Civic for trying to look different, even if it looks awful in my opinion (maybe the one time the Type-R version will look better than the standard version imo). I think BMW, which were struggling to produce drivers cars anyway, devalued themselves by trying to make their cars look cool. Chris Bangle should be shot (although I saw a pre-Bangle 318 yesterday and decided Bangle has done one car proficiently).
So there you go. If you can make a car that fits my requirements, preferrably that I can afford then do let me know. But don't overstyle a car that doesn't need it, and don't pretend that your car is something it isn't (like pretending that a FWD car can EVER be a sports car). Don't EVER bolt something to your car that doesn't ACTUALLY make it faster in the REAL WORLD. Don't fit bigger wheels because you want looks - fit bigger wheels (if you really have to) solely because they are lighter. It's actually VERY rare that aftermarket wheels are lighter than standard ones. Don't fit stiffer springs and uprated dampers at the same time either. Save up and get springs, dampers and wheels that PERFECTLY compliment each other. Car and race manufacturers spend thousands of hours matching unsprung weights, tyre flex, spring performance and damper matching. It's highly unlikely that you'll improve HANDLING for less than £20,000 (inc. labour), although just bolting on wider tyres will get your more grip at the EXPENSE of handling.
Obviously there are exceptions to this, so if you can think of one example that 'proves me wrong', then chances are you're either mistaken or you are one of those exceptions.
I would 90% agree with you, especially the problems with "modern" cars. I also couldn't happily drive a car where you can't turn the ESP off, like in Mercedes' attempt of a supercar the CLK DTM. Why do you need ESP in that car? People who bought it should know how to drive a car.
What's a 7? And we're talking about cars here, don't change the subject
Okay, maybe it is exciting to take turns very fast, but still, I feel the most excitement when accelerating, especially if you just think of driving on the road, not on track.
Tristan, would you buy the RaceAbout if it was really made someday 
And what I have been thinking for a while too in modern cars is why the interiors are so booringly designed? Desing and different color plastic doesn't cost a penny!
And what I have been thinking for a while too in modern cars is why the interiors are so booringly designed? Desing and different color plastic doesn't cost a penny!
A 7 is a Lotus Seven or derivative.
Blackout - Hmmmm, I don't know. If I had to base my decision soley on LFS's handling and model alone I'd be tempted to say no - whilst it obviously wants to kill you via massive understeer (and power oversteer if your shoes are made of lead), it strikes me as more of a poorly designed car that just handles badly rather.
However, if it was based on real life driving, aesthetics, noise, build quality etc I'd have to know more about it, but in principle it's the kind of car I could enjoy I think. I wonder what it really is like to drive (and live with). But it ticks a lot of the right boxes already, though I'm not 100% convinced about the styling.
Blackout - Hmmmm, I don't know. If I had to base my decision soley on LFS's handling and model alone I'd be tempted to say no - whilst it obviously wants to kill you via massive understeer (and power oversteer if your shoes are made of lead), it strikes me as more of a poorly designed car that just handles badly rather.
However, if it was based on real life driving, aesthetics, noise, build quality etc I'd have to know more about it, but in principle it's the kind of car I could enjoy I think. I wonder what it really is like to drive (and live with). But it ticks a lot of the right boxes already, though I'm not 100% convinced about the styling.
I usually tend to agree with Tristan, but I do disagree with this point. I LOVE the style of the new BMW's. They are not the best looking cars in the world, but there is just something about them. The Z4 Coupe is just about my favorite car. Although, I can not attest to handling as I've never driven one, but I would jump at the chance.
I do agree with the rest of the post though. New cars are cheaply made, overly styled (usually resulting is even more ugliness anyways), and lack any soul or character. For the most part anyways.
MAGGOT
While I don't like Arcade style racing nor do I like 2 Fast 2 Furious overkill on real cars, it would be cool to simulate Nitrous properly. Used only on the drag track, and if you don't use it right, KABOOM!!
THAT would be useful Nitrous. Take that n0000bz!! Now you have to learn to use it properly! "Cause using nitrous is not as easy as push button and hang on!"
THAT would be useful Nitrous. Take that n0000bz!! Now you have to learn to use it properly! "Cause using nitrous is not as easy as push button and hang on!"
Hehe, that last part seems spot on after condensing your entire post...
As for Bangle, i am one of those rare ones who actually appreciate his
style. Design wise, he is modern and innovative. Something BMW sorely
needed. I have a 1988 325ix and consider them to be the best looking
bimmers (E30). They just got tamer and more boring with each passing
year after that. They looked like Audis, no soul, too clean, cars my granma
would like. That's not what a BMW should look like imo, it should be
arrogant
, not look like the ultimate yawning machine. Bangle has brought that arrogance and passive aggresiveness back to BMW and i
respect him for that. Those new 5 series look very good and i can't wait
to see him try to top that.
N2O should be used ONLY on dragstrips in the real world and no where else so please "ding-dong" rubberers go back to N*crap*F*crap*S 
Please dont bump old threads.
This is pathetic...
To be entirely fair, we do ask for people to search, and it seems they are doing. It's not entirely wrong for them to then post in the searched thread, although it would be nice if the new posts could bring something new to the thread.
But we want searching members, we get searching members. If they started a new thread wouldn't that be worse?
But we want searching members, we get searching members. If they started a new thread wouldn't that be worse?
You are right. But when I personally look at an old thread, I don't get the urge to post something new when I really don't have to say anything new.
It's the point people use the search function, and find their answer, or they can see how the community reacts to their "new" suggestion. And if they read the thread, they should decide if they have something new to say, or not. If they say something that's already been told, and isn't contributing to the thread (any more), it's the same as posting a whole new thread... Worthless.
It's the point people use the search function, and find their answer, or they can see how the community reacts to their "new" suggestion. And if they read the thread, they should decide if they have something new to say, or not. If they say something that's already been told, and isn't contributing to the thread (any more), it's the same as posting a whole new thread... Worthless.
Theres nothing wrong with posting in an old thread - if you have something valuable to add to the conversation.
i know that nos sounds so "ricer" but nos in a sim like lfs would bring more strategy into races: someone will put more wing and use all nos on straights, some other will use a balanced setup and use nos at exit of important corners, some others will use it to pass all wreckers at t1 and avoid t1 carnage, someone will cause t1 carnage and will be banned...
, some others will use nos only to pass or to aviod that follower get advantege of slipstream.
obviously it should be a server side otpion to eneable it or not.
+1
, some others will use nos only to pass or to aviod that follower get advantege of slipstream.obviously it should be a server side otpion to eneable it or not.
+1
N2O is not used in real circuit racing, so should not be included in LFS circuit racing. Period. (Maybe on drags. And drags only)
When it is used in motorsport it's usually as a charge cooler, not as an artificial boost device.
I think in drag races, they would rather use Nitromethane.
Gotta love that stuff, it has up to 4 times as much energy as petrol. But then again you have to tweak your engine quite a bit to get it running
my Radio controlled car runs on a mixture of nitromethane, methanol and castor oil.
Goes like a blast but the STENCH is UNBEARABLE.
Please, there will never be n2o or "push to pass" in lfs. Will some moderator just shut every threadstarting post that suggests these things?
PLZKTHNXBBQZOMGLFS
Goes like a blast but the STENCH is UNBEARABLE.
Please, there will never be n2o or "push to pass" in lfs. Will some moderator just shut every threadstarting post that suggests these things?
PLZKTHNXBBQZOMGLFS
+1
There should be a "not going to happen log" as a sticky.
along with rocketry, armour and weapons
+1
everytime i see a thread named Nos or N2O i have to read it because so many hate it and the ones who want it have a very strong arugment. Me I love NFS i know it may be the most fakest game out there but its fun to play. LFS is a sim meaning that it is next to the real thing so if curuit racing dosent use it dont put it in LFS I agree with Magot All the way.
. Me I love NFS i know it may be the most fakest game out there but its fun to play. LFS is a sim meaning that it is next to the real thing so if curuit racing dosent use it dont put it in LFS I agree with Magot All the way.
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