its been a good 13 years since my S1 days then S2 in 2005 for a few years then left..... whats changed in the last few years. From what I can see is LFS has fallen behind after being one of the best out there at the time with detail and handling to taking a back burner now... whats going on Scawn? almost half my life this game has been around... 2002 in the S1 demo days i started following you 