Quote from Vain :

There are good looking modern cars.
But most look horrible.

There are cars like the Mercedes A class I basically hate. But why not take a look at the Audi A3 (quattro, anyone?) or BMW E87? I also kind of like the Seat Leon, and I wouldn't mind a Ford Focus WRC either. With a bit of creativity you could turn the Smart Roadster Coupe into a nice 4WD turbocharged fun-vehicle.

There are nice modern cars. But you have to think a while.

Vain

A3 has unisex, smooth, I'm hopefully not harming anything-type looks and don't get me even started with modern BMWs, whale anyone? I need to read trunk texts from Lean and Focus to tell which is which, both are straight sides wheels at corners and small windows type, Focus WRC is like putting razor to hand of fluffy teddy bear it just won't mix.

But please, don't get offended, this is just how I see them and I do know that I have very odd favor on some things, very very odd

For example new Challenger 2007 does look tastless and odorless, unisex tamed thing that has not even slightest agression on it's looks, same with Camaro, in my eyes. New Mustang is quite nice looking though and HSV Gto is something I can stand, even it is not pretty.

Tesla Roadster is perhaps one of those modern looking vehicles that does not cause this 'oh no, what on earth designers have smoked again' feeling

Really, it has to be again fault in me, but I do fail to see any family class normal modern car that would look good.

Quote from JTbo :

and don't get me even started with modern BMWs,

Yep Bangle certainly is an acquired taste but even before that there had been dumbing down IMO, look at the E46, an attractive car but still the E36 was better looking IMO same goes for 36 and 30

Quote from Vain :

and I wouldn't mind a Ford Focus WRC either.

The original looked so much better and more striking IMO.

Quote from TiJay :

Agreed. Compared to cars pre-2002, modern family/small cars are big, boring and no fun.

Examples:

Fiesta Mk5 pre 03- light, sporty, fun.
Fiesta Mk6 03 onwards- ugly, slow, large

106, Clio Mk1, Saxo- light, nippy, fun
107/1007/206, Clio Mk2/3- ugly, slow, large

Wake me up when new cars sub-£20,000 or without a GTI/ST badge get fun gain.

Why are you excluding ST cars like Fiesta ST? That way you can always be rigth. The Fiesta ST is the new fun car.

The same with the other models.

Modern cars look terrible.. don't touch the XRT and the LXs!

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Modern cars look terrible.. don't touch the XRT and the LXs!

The problem with new cars is all of the bloody silly pedestrian safety things.

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Why are you excluding ST cars like Fiesta ST? That way you can always be rigth. The Fiesta ST is the new fun car.

Don't quite follow what you're saying but if you're agreeing with me then

I'll just rephrase what I said for clarity: The only fun new cars are those over £20,000 or those with an ST/GTI badge. All other new cars suck.

Quote from TiJay :

Don't quite follow what you're saying but if you're agreeing with me then

I'll just rephrase what I said for clarity: The only fun new cars are those over £20,000 or those with an ST/GTI badge. All other new cars suck.

Well, in fact i don't agree. The 1.0 Fiesta from '89 was no fun and not sporty. I don't say it sucked, but i also won't say a Alto from '06 sucks. It are both good cars for what their worth. Faster Fiesta's were fun, the faster fiesta of today is called ST so i mean you should not exclude that.

Quote from duke_toaster :

The problem with new cars is all of the bloody silly pedestrian safety things.

Yeah, what's up with pedestrian safety? If I run over a peron, I want him dead, not slightly injured :twisted:
And if he runs on the street without looking, he should be punished for his neglegence

(don't take the above statement too serious)

Quote from marzman :

Well, in fact i don't agree. The 1.0 Fiesta from '89 was no fun and not sporty. I don't say it sucked, but i also won't say a Alto from '06 sucks. It are both good cars for what their worth. Faster Fiesta's were fun, the faster fiesta of today is called ST so i mean you should not exclude that.

1.0 Fiesta from '89 however, is much better looking car than any of these new st or stw things whatever those are

Also it can do 150kph and it is damn scary at that speed, you need rather large downhill and good amount of wind to get it to that speed, though

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The problem with new cars is all of the bloody silly pedestrian safety things.

Exactly. I'm not saying people who don't look when they cross should be punished etc etc but to be honest- if a metal object hits you at 40mph, it ain't going to make a difference whether it has a curved hood or not. Either way, you're hosed.

Quote from TiJay :

Exactly. I'm not saying people who don't look when they cross should be punished etc etc but to be honest- if a metal object hits you at 40mph, it ain't going to make a difference whether it has a curved hood or not. Either way, you're hosed.

sorry to spoil your fun, but it really makes a huge difference - maybe not at 40mph, that's a bit too fast, but at normal city speeds. Today's pedestrian protection technology is really greatly advanced, so if a car was designed the right way (most european cars are) hits a person, it's way more likely that the person is just lightly injured.
I'm assuming we're talking about "normal" cars here, so no sports coupes, they usually are really bad in those tests.
I should probably mention that the bumpers are made of plastic and sometimes even have foam behind them, so you won't get hurt too much.

One drawback is still present for the head protection: the manufacturer has to focus on a child's or (XOR) an adult head, because the bonnet (currently) can't be designed to protect both well.

I think they should just fit giant 6 foot deep transparent sponges around all cars. It wouldn't weigh much and could be made very aerodynamic without looking naff. Only downside is traffic jams would get longer. But cars could then also be made smaller and lighter as they wouldn't need inches of rubber and soft metal to deform in the crash. Just replace the bolt on sponge!

I agree that pedestrian safety probably plays a large role in why modern cars look ugly to many people (although we might think differently about that in 10-20 years time). However, that's not the reason why those are no fun (if they don't have a gti or st badge). The reason for that is mainly passenger/driver safety, which just makes them so heavy that they need 200+ horsepower to be fun. The MkI Golf GTI had what? 115 hp maximum? That was plenty for it's low weight and that in turn just made it more nimble, of course, (more or less) regardless of horsepower.

But back to topic: Eric decides what the cars look like and I personally couldn't care less -- It's how it drives that counts. And I certainly wouldn't choose a car in LFS just because it looks like th 911 (G-model, the most beatiful car ever built ), if it drives like a tanker.

Quote from Bob Smith :

I think they should just fit giant 6 foot deep transparent sponges around all cars. It wouldn't weigh much and could be made very aerodynamic without looking naff. Only downside is traffic jams would get longer. But cars could then also be made smaller and lighter as they wouldn't need inches of rubber and soft metal to deform in the crash. Just replace the bolt on sponge!

+1: Giant sponges.

Quote from Linsen :

I agree that pedestrian safety probably plays a large role in why modern cars look ugly to many people (although we might think differently about that in 10-20 years time). However, that's not the reason why those are no fun (if they don't have a gti or st badge). The reason for that is mainly passenger/driver safety, which just makes them so heavy that they need 200+ horsepower to be fun. The MkI Golf GTI had what? 115 hp maximum? That was plenty for it's low weight and that in turn just made it more nimble, of course, (more or less) regardless of horsepower.

But back to topic: Eric decides what the cars look like and I personally couldn't care less -- It's how it drives that counts. And I certainly wouldn't choose a car in LFS just because it looks like th 911 (G-model, the most beatiful car ever built ), if it drives like a tanker.

You are very much right, also modern cars suspensions are so much more advanced as well as sound dampening that driver don't feel much of fun even speeds would be much faster than with older car. Also cars are balanced even more towards understeer and as cars are being fwd there is very little feeling from steering wheel, all this makes them quite not fun actually.

180bhp old subaru was much more fun and felt much more powerful than 300hp V40 T4, even surely T4 is faster, but it is just like sitting home at front of tv, link to outside world is missing.

Good thing in LFS is that unlike many games it manages to create immersion of being in car that has real connection to surrounding world.
I think that new cars are not needed until current ones get more features and perhaps some balancing. There is really lot of things cars would need.

Oh yes, +1 for giant sponges, could do then some sumo fights too, lol

I am quite happy with LFS cars and would not have a courage to say hey Eric, you suck, design something cool already.

But to all posters who say that newer cars are always worse than old, I would take Porsche cars as an example. From the 1st Carrera the every next model is just better and better. Everytime I see the new car from them I say myself "OMG now it's already totally perfect, no they can't go anywhere higher!" and I stick with that until they come with another
Sometimes they make a little mistaken step like those questionable front lights, then they step back and you get old good round lights on their latest 911.
I still think that 1970 or 1985 Carreras are beautifull, but the current model is simply mind-blowing. :bowdown:

Bottom line would be to say that there are awesome cars coming from all around the planet and all the different eras, including a modern one. And those in LFS offer really a variety. I honestly don't feel like anybody of us have any recipe of the success, so I rather shutup and wait for Scavier to surprise me once again. In a good way!

EDIT: recently found this awesome picture of rendered XR Turbo Targa, check it out!
http://www.sg-render.ovh.org/displayimage.php?pos=-145

I do prefer 1978 911 turbo over this new one

Quote from mr_x :

Here's my 'big' idea. I know these cars aren't real ones (apart from 3), but the cars in LFS right now look dull and old, very boxy too. If you look at them now and compare them to real cars you'd go back to 1990's model cars to find any real similarities, it's 2007 now, most cars these days look modern, more curves on them, much better looking! The year is 2007, I want to think I'm in 2007 when racing.

I'm not asking for new cars, I'm just asking to modernise the look of existing cars, give them a 199x-2007 upgrade.

I think it's only these cars that need doing aswell, single seaters.. well, I know nothing about anyway, but they still look the same as they did 10 years ago :P
UF1(R)
XFG(R)
XRG(T/R)
RB4
FXO(R)

errrr, you want the UF1 and UFR modernised. They are based on the Mini, a car that is over 40 years old now. The only changes required to the UF series is make the nose more Mini like but that is a licence issue.

Old cars are far more fun. New cars mostly look the same and are mostly boring because the Safety Nazis have had their say.

Quote from herki :

I should probably mention that the bumpers are made of plastic and sometimes even have foam behind them, so you won't get hurt too much.

FWIW, for nearly 80% of the cars manufactured for the US with this foam behind the plastic facia is made at my work. I can tell you that foam is produced to minimize the dollar cost of damage done to a vehicle in a 3 mph impact into a solid object. It definitely won't help you if you are personally hit by a car.

The foam front and rear energy absorbers in autos can be extremely hard. If I took a really good swing at your head with one, there would definitely be some heavy damage to you.

www.jsp.com, where I work, making molded EPP foam energy absorbers for cars (and much more).

Im happy with the current look of the cars but i still wouldnt mind them having some form of face lift.

I think what would really give the game a new lease of life with minimal work and effort would be a nice fresh set of wheels for all the cars. Most of the current sets of wheels look awful, straight out of a lego box imo

The RB4 and UFR models were supposed to be updated, but they are still the same after a year and a half .

I'm not moaning ok? But come on, it's only a low poly car model, I've seen people on this forums creating stunning high poly car models in a week!!!

Quote from Eldanor :

The RB4 and UFR models were supposed to be updated, but they are still the same after a year and a half .

I'm not moaning ok? But come on, it's only a low poly car model, I've seen people on this forums creating stunning high poly car models in a week!!!

Imagine that you are cliff climbing, then you slip and luckily managed to grab hold from rock just before falling down, now your cell phone rings, what do you do, answer to phone while hanging with your one arm or do you try to get hold from rocky surface with your other arm?

It is bit similar with LFS, there is priorities for various of tasks and there has been more important tasks going on than updating model. This is at least how I do believe things are, can be wrong of course

There's a bit of a difference between creating renders or 3D models and having a new functioning car model in the game.
The raw model or render itself is static, whereas the in game model must be set up with areas that move when damaged as well.

Personally I really like most of the models as they are. Some of them I'm not so fond of, but that's just like real life.

My guess is that we'll see some updated models when they add in aerodynamic damaging.

modern cars are soooo predictable about the designs audi, ford, peugeot ect they must have the slackist design people ever

im not so keen on most of the new supercars, dont get me wrong some are nice like the zonda but the new lambo's from audi and 911's zzzzzz also the swedish konigsegg? (how ever its spelt) ok its fast but its dull o look at, new astons look nice but soooo predictable, give me an F40, shelby cobra, lambo countach a ferrari daytona and a 512tr anyday

Edited to add : the porsche carrera gt is a big exception that looks the nuts (and sounds amazing)

Quote from Eldanor :

The RB4 and UFR models were supposed to be updated, but they are still the same after a year and a half .

I'm not moaning ok? But come on, it's only a low poly car model, I've seen people on this forums creating stunning high poly car models in a week!!!

I'm just guessing her, but the updates of the UFR (which I personally like the way it is) and the RB4 will probably come with the new interiors. It will have to be an incompatible patch, though.