It takes a moment of madness or huge lapse in concentration to spin somebody completely out. If I gently tap them accidentally, and they are slower through the corner, I'll feel guilty and make sure I stick behind them till they're back up to speed. I think apologies are best saved for the end of the race too.

If I get taken out, doesn't happen very often at all really, I don't expect anybody to wait for me. It doesn't make much difference to my overall position, and then I feel bad because both of our races are over and I probably could have seen it coming or avoided it happening, so I feel guilty too.

Quote from sinbad :

It takes a moment of madness or huge lapse in concentration to spin somebody completely out. If I gently tap them accidentally, and they are slower through the corner, I'll feel guilty and make sure I stick behind them till they're back up to speed.

If I get taken out, doesn't happen very often at all really, I don't expect anybody to wait for me. It doesn't make much difference to my overall position, and then I feel bad because both of our races are over and I probably could have seen it coming or avoided it happening, so I feel guilty too.

I totally agree! I don't even remember when I spun somebody, even though little contact is daily if the races are close. And strangely, I get pissed of really rarely, compared to the guys I have been taken out - they start to cry, call me n00b, or revenge in the next race

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I think apologies are best saved for the end of the race too.

I personally disagree here (when talking about public pickup sprint servers). It's really hard to NOT to press the sorry-button after a mistake that has harmed somebodys race. It's also nice to hear someone else confessing being guilty - it builds confidence during the race. If someone unknown hits you and just continues driving , you can just wonder if his going to be as rude in the next corner..

Quote from Hoellsen :

Why are you all getting all worked up about public races anyways? They usually last 5-10 laps, which is not really racing, tbh, so just race the next race and forget about it. Will do wonders to your blood pressure.

the amount of laps is not the issue. when the light turns from red to green, the race starts and when you get the checkered flag (no matter how many laps) the race is over. just because it is not a league race, doesn't mean you have to drive like you own the road. sometime the battle for 8th or 9th can be just as tight as th ebattle for 1st so finishing position is not too much of an issue. it's how you conduct yourself whilst racing fellow drivers. but i try to put myself in the place of the victim-to-be and ask, "how would i like someone to pass me?"

Quote from nikimere :

...i usually wait for someone unless i think it's a racing accident. then i'll just continue. i only say sorry if i mean it, i hate when people spam "I'm Sorry, my bad!" etc etc... for every little tap!

As someone said before, Racing (in every form and length) is a non contact sport, so I tend to appologize for any tap that makes the other driver lose his preferred line, except when racing mirror to mirror in e.g. the xfgs, which is the most interesting part imo.
Being an experienced but slow driver I mostly have to start in the back of the grid where there are many "little taps" in the first corner. Recently I avoid crashes by letting everyone pass before t1 and then running through the debris of crashed people insulting each other :-). Still there are race incidents where I have to appologize (is this spelled right?) but mostly racing in the "real" midfield is great and fair.

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greetz

ZWR|butz

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ha ha!! nice quote!!

the problem with having sorry binded to a button is people say sorry for things that aren't even their fault. this de-values their appology in my eyes and when they do something that is actually their fault i tend to think they're not cincere.
fair enough if you do something major, like for example your wheel falls off the table and you hit someone off, then i would write an appology explaining and then pit. if i hit someone off line i would judt slow until they are back upto speed, but i wouldn't say sorry until after the race. i hate spam when i'm driving.

Quote from nikimere :

ha ha!! nice quote!!

thx m8

Quote from nikimere :

i hate spam when i'm driving.

Same here, but an appology is short, says that I really am sorry, lets the victim feel better and can show that i didn't do it on purpose.
Usually there are just two little lines after a normal accident:

driver1:sorry m8
driver2:np :-)

I would call this fair and short conversation, not spam :-)
Other drivers can also see if driver1 is dangerous or a noob (not a n0oB noob, just a guy with little experience) if he appologises more often...

Spam would be like this:

driver2: wtf
driver3: :-)
driver4: race dammit
driver1: not my fault
driver2: you hit me, peace o' sh**
driver1: your mama
driver3: :-)
driver4: shut up spamming the hole with your sh** and race. Don't chat an
driver4: d quit talking you dumba**** with your big ************! You're
driver4: talking too much, now race
driver1: kick driver2
driver3: 1
driver4 quit (ping timeout)
driver1: your mama again
...


That's what comes into my sick mind when I read the word "spam".


greetz

butz

while all this is happening, driver 5 wins the race from 3 laps down

Quote from dadge :

while all this is happening, driver 5 wins the race from 3 laps down

LMAO!

you're absolutely right!

Apart from that you have 4 pissed racers who spread the seed of evil onto other servers illepall

greetz

butz

I'm going to disagree with the folks saying "why bother on short public races" as well. Usually the most exhilarating races are the short ones, at least from my experience. I've only raced 2 leagues. The first league was 3 to 4 servers worth split up by laptimes/experience. Even then, it was really only a matter of running around the track lapping for an hour after a few laps. It gets so spread out that there wasn't much racing going on. Of course, that was my first league experience and it was back when I didn't know every track as well as I do now.

The second league I was in was one server with a very broad range of laptimes and experience. It was also populated with about 50% GTR/GTL racers using LFS as a little fill-in racing waiting for GTR2. Again, hour races with a very spread out race field.

Public, you get every type of driver. You can usually find someone to race with out of a largely populated server. The excitement is there as you know you have a short amount of time to catch someone or keep them behind. Sure it's only 15 minutes, but it's 15 minutes flat out. Then again, another 15 minutes flat out, over and over again all night.

Saying sorry IS important. It is an admission of guilt if nothing else. It is saying "hey, I made a mistake, I'm owning up to it, I admit it!" If punting someone else off, I will wait for them. If they spin off because of them being the one to make contact, I will sometimes wait for them. Winning means nothing to me if there is no one to race. There is only 2 others you are racing at any given time, the guy in front of you and the guy behind you, and I want to keep them close to have a good battle.

Quote from Hankstar :

Ah, the dying art of waiting for an opponent! Well done, whoever that was :up:
You more commonly see this on GP Legends servers (however I think this is partly due to the fact that most GPL servers are sparsely populated unless an organised event is on. It's always better to slow down and wait so you can race someone - especially since they may well be the only other racer online ).

it was cstech,
i finally remembered

Quote from mrodgers :

I'm going to disagree with the folks saying "why bother on short public races" as well. Usually the most exhilarating races are the short ones, at least from my experience. (...)

Saying sorry IS important. It is an admission of guilt if nothing else. It is saying "hey, I made a mistake, I'm owning up to it, I admit it!" If punting someone else off, I will wait for them. If they spin off because of them being the one to make contact, I will sometimes wait for them. Winning means nothing to me if there is no one to race. There is only 2 others you are racing at any given time, the guy in front of you and the guy behind you, and I want to keep them close to have a good battle.

I fully agree with this - except that sometimes you do race more than two people at a time, which is especially exhilarating when approaching busstop on So classic reverse .

I rather say sorry once too much if something is not my fault, than not saying it when I did screw up (someteimes you just can't be sure). I think it's good for the athmosphere .