Car of Tomorrow

Main article: Car of Tomorrow
The "Car of Tomorrow" is now in the final stages of development. This car has focused mainly on safety, with the driver's seat being moved closer to the center of the car. The car's width has been increased by 4 inches, the front bumper has been re-designed to virtually eliminate bump-drafting, and the height of the car has increased to accommodate taller drivers. The most noticeable change to fans will be the addition of a rear wing. The spoiler currently used will be removed. NASCAR will distribute the wings like they issue restrictor plates [1]. This car's first scheduled race is the 2007 Bristol NEXTEL Cup series race, aside from Bristol events, drivers will use the Car of Tomorrow in 2007 events at Phoenix International Raceway, Martinsville Speedway, Richmond International Raceway, Dover International Speedway and New Hampshire International Speedway. It also will see action at Darlington Raceway, the fall event at Talladega Superspeedway and road-course events at Infineon Raceway and Watkins Glen International. The Car of Tomorrow will be used at all races by 2009.




gets closer to xrr now with that wing on it...

here is a pic: http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5651306_7_1.gif

A. this should probably be in general or racing talk

B. as a diehard nascar fan and supporter...these are the ugliest cars ever, not the splitter or the wing, its the god awful grilles and headlights, so oddly placed! But at least nascar is finnaly making some modern progress.

So far, quotes show that a lot of the drivers hate the thing. They want to know mainly what's gonna happen at crashes(will wing fall off?). Also they don't like it because of it's boxy shape compared to other cars.

Seems like it will end up being the "Car-of-Yesterdays-Tommorow".
Guess how much that rear wing costs? about $6000. What a waste

i am not quite sure at the moment about the technical restrictions to these "wings" but i've seen several pictures now and it looks like they are not always on the same place or sometimes higher above the rear and sometimes they are not... do you know more about that.

and yep, it should have been into general racing talk... sorry.. maybe someone can move this *g*

with paint on it, it does not look THAT different though:
http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2006/COT.htm
despite the wing and the splitter. (okay they are higher as well and slower... but... with paint on them...)

BTW, to that cost thing:
COT - Did You Know? from a David Newton article at ESPN.com:
Did you know NASCAR will pay for the rear wings used on the new Car of Tomorrow, then distribute them at the track and collect them after each race?

Moved.

Quote from Fischfix :

i am not quite sure at the moment about the technical restrictions to these "wings" but i've seen several pictures now and it looks like they are not always on the same place or sometimes higher above the rear and sometimes they are not... do you know more about that.

and yep, it should have been into general racing talk... sorry.. maybe someone can move this *g*

with paint on it, it does not look THAT different though:
http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2006/COT.htm
despite the wing and the splitter. (okay they are higher as well and slower... but... with paint on them...)

BTW, to that cost thing:
COT - Did You Know? from a David Newton article at ESPN.com:
Did you know NASCAR will pay for the rear wings used on the new Car of Tomorrow, then distribute them at the track and collect them after each race?

Yup, just like restrictor plates and any other standard part like that.

Most drivers don't like the car, not because of looks or anything like that, but because when they tested it didnt drive well in traffic, granted its hard to tell how a car will really do before they actually put it in race mode.

In the end, it is safer, and it is what they will be using even if it takes time to get used to.


BTW the wing...its adjustable via angle and wicker bills, on all tracks besides the restrictor plate tracks, because they are going to put an obnoxious high angle in it to add a lot of drag, in return they are making the plates much bigger so hopefully they will breathe easier.

Quote from Fischfix :

with paint on it, it does not look THAT different though:
http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2006/COT.htm
despite the wing and the splitter. (okay they are higher as well and slower... but... with paint on them...)

Why do they have to give those cars such ugly BIG backsides? Even if it did improve aerodynamics, I still don't know whether it is worth creating such an ugly image of the cars they are supposed to resemble. :scared:

Quote from ev0 :

Why do they have to give those cars such ugly BIG backsides? Even if it did improve aerodynamics, I still don't know whether it is worth creating such an ugly image of the cars they are supposed to resemble. :scared:

Saftey..nascar isnt about the cars anymore..brands maybe, but the cars dont sell cars anymore so the manufactures and nascar dont seem to care anymore lol

as a big nascar fan (greg biffle's the man) im very upset about the changes they've made. eliminate bump drafting??? why its part of the racing? spilters and big rear wings?? their starting to look like european race cars illepall

i think the problem is they have gone too much away from the look of a real car. and maybe they try to get back a little with the COT. making the windshield angle higher, making the overall car higher, putting on wings. and the other thing is, if you look to nascar vehicles from the past, you can see wings and stuff...

and on top of that its about safety...

but i think a real judgement is only possible if we see them in a race with full grid. they've banned bumpdrafting with this car, but we will see....

taking that under consideration:
NASCAR pace car driver Elmo Langley (August 22, 1929–November 21, 1996) was a frequent "victim" of Dale Earnhardt, who had a reputation for bumping the pace car during cautions "for the fun of it".

I want to see test results of how fast these pieces-of-crap are going.

I don't think anyone should want a Dodge now becase it looks like the front is really creating some aero problems

As a part of cost-cutting, have they made a new kind of steering wheel for this car that only steers to left?

this is just a joke, I have nothing against Nascar.

Actually you need to steer to the right too on the straights to keep the car going straight

:riceboy:

NASCAR have missed an opportunity to become more sensible.

Ideally, I would have allowed fuel injection and all the other stuff, but cut down the engines from 5.7 to 4 litres.

And that wing looks like it will do jack s**t. Supposedly they were only planning on having the wing at Sears Pt, Watkins Glen, Bristol and the superspeedways but now it's everywhere.

Quote from duke_toaster :

NASCAR have missed an opportunity to become more sensible.

Ideally, I would have allowed fuel injection and all the other stuff, but cut down the engines from 5.7 to 4 litres.

And that wing looks like it will do jack s**t. Supposedly they were only planning on having the wing at Sears Pt, Watkins Glen, Bristol and the superspeedways but now it's everywhere.

they cannot go to fuel injection from all that i have heard and read. to hard to enforce the rules, makes room for t/c, would just create a mess....there is nothing wrong with the engines of nascar, they make enough hp, and they cant get much higher with the current config because its so precisly engineered, so nascar doesnt have to worry about teams finding 5mph over a season and going to fast to be safe, if we started over with fi (beyond the fact it would cost billions to do) keeping the speeds in check would be near impossible

Quote from DodgeRacer :

they cannot go to fuel injection from all that i have heard and read. to hard to enforce the rules, makes room for t/c, would just create a mess....there is nothing wrong with the engines of nascar, they make enough hp, and they cant get much higher with the current config because its so precisly engineered, so nascar doesnt have to worry about teams finding 5mph over a season and going to fast to be safe, if we started over with fi (beyond the fact it would cost billions to do) keeping the speeds in check would be near impossible

Well thats not true there are other leagues running crate engines from say GM like the LS2 or LT1 that crank out 450 HP factory. I am sure they could design an engine thats sealed that uses fuel injection with sufficient HP to push these cars.

I think they don't want to do Fuel injection because NASCAR has always been about carbs. It has nothing to do about T/C or rules. They could just seal the engine up and make everyone run the same engine. ASA does this now I feel very effectivly. I love watching ASA those cars come off the corners soooo much harder than any car with carbs strapped on.

I kind of like the car, the front end is very weird with that splitter on it but with the widshield back up to normal its starting to look like a real car again. It will be good to see how this shakes down during the next season.

i find my 1995 lancia delta a prettier car than that pile of ugly

Pretty, well look at the other NASCAR cars out now those are not very pretty either =P It's definatly not pretty but looks more like a car than the ones do now.

is there any site or tv station that shows all 2007 nascar races in europe???

i don't think eurosport does have the rights

Quote from Viper93 :

Well thats not true there are other leagues running crate engines from say GM like the LS2 or LT1 that crank out 450 HP factory. I am sure they could design an engine thats sealed that uses fuel injection with sufficient HP to push these cars.

I think they don't want to do Fuel injection because NASCAR has always been about carbs. It has nothing to do about T/C or rules. They could just seal the engine up and make everyone run the same engine. ASA does this now I feel very effectivly. I love watching ASA those cars come off the corners soooo much harder than any car with carbs strapped on.

I kind of like the car, the front end is very weird with that splitter on it but with the widshield back up to normal its starting to look like a real car again. It will be good to see how this shakes down during the next season.

Im just relaying information mike helton said at the press conference when the COT debuted...the fi question came up many times and those were his reasons

A major issue with sealed engines as a way to lower costs and integrate more modern designs is the fact that teams will be forced to spend more money to investigate ways to go faster. Putting seals on engines just forces someone to come up with ways to make a butchered engine look like the real thing. This sort of thing has been tried at many levels of motorsport. My uncle used to run dirt late models that had sealed inline 6 cylinder engines. The local engine builder could make his own seals to make his 'special engines' appear to be legal. It's a sad fact that there will always be a pursuit for increases in performance. You can change the direction of the flow of money, but you can't limit the amount spent.

The whole COT idea is nothing new. The aero cars that began the most recent era (1990-ish) were a radical departure from the previous design and caused a similar uproar. In the 1980s, the cars still had some actual stock parts. Other changes increase speed, this change is more for safety. Personally, I think they have about reached the speed limit for the current racetrack design.

I like crashing Nascars

Quote from PAracer :

It's a sad fact that there will always be a pursuit for increases in performance.

it's like that time ben johnson doped himself to gold medal in seoul 1988. after that case, the times of ALL top athlets were down by almost half a second. everyone was just taking that shit that time, but ben johnson was the one who got caught...

so if there is a way to cheat, someone will find it and use it...

Quote from DodgeRacer :

Im just relaying information mike helton said at the press conference when the COT debuted...the fi question came up many times and those were his reasons

No I know, I am saying thats just BS. They don't want to change over to FI because all the tech guys will have to learn a new technology. There are plenty of other leagues out there that run FI without major problems. Money will always find a way but FI cannot be any harder than carbs to check, just have to have the right technology.