I didn't mean to say that you didn't think about your proposed layout, but I can see that it came across that way. Sorry about that. I just used it as an example. But even if your idea is not bad, I still can imagine that the devs thought about it and maybe ditched it because they felt it's not harmonic or whatever. Maybe they didn't, though, and think, wow, that's a great idea, let's add As south. But there's still the question of how many layouts we need in a certain setting when at the same time many layouts that are already there are not even used. And I don't think it's because the layouts are bad/boring/too long/too short or whatever.

And about diluting (maybe dispersing is the better word?): I was saying that, if we want to add something that will disperse the community further it should be something that's worth the price. And a different layout in an old setting is not imho. Let's instead use more of what we have, is what I'd vote for

Quote from danowat :

The stats speak for themselves........

Total number of laps online....

AS north 392,838 laps

AS grand touring 173,788 laps

Compared to.........

AS club 3,442,186 laps

AS cadet 1,465,395 laps

IMO, there simply is no DEMAND for more Aston configs......

Numbers lie

If you look how long the tracks have existed and then look the laps per month ratio, we can see the following:
AS cadet and club were released Jun. 25th, 2005
AS GT and north were released Apr. 21st, 2006

For the Cadet/Club, they have been out approx. 581 days
For the GT/north, 281 days

Laps per day ratio for AS cadet = 1,465,395 / 581 = 19733
For AS club = 3,442,186 / 581 = 5924

And
AS north = 392838 = 1398
AS GT = 618,5
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It also should be mentioned that the GT/North tracks are longer and harder and are not used in FOX racing, which has a significant effect on how many laps are done and can be done per day. Looking at those ratios, AS north is not that far behind if you look at the track themselves and the cars they are driven there. And it is defenately one of the best aston configs.

That being said, I want new tracks, of course. There are few issues that should be fixed with the current tracks (tire clipping in kyoto and maybe few design issues). Still, a narrow track with lots of elevation changes is something I can see many people want to see in LFS. If done right, you could race all cars from UF1 to GTRs there. Maybe the faster cars like the BF1 need a faster track. People are also wishing to see a harder oval track with actual corners (:P) but without much better aerodynamics and more oval suited cars it would be a bit wasted effort atm.

Quote from Belain :

hey ladies i also worked around with it a little bit and heres what i came up to:

Kyoto Club:
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/932/kyotoclubqz1.jpg

Kyoto GP Very Long:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2540/gpverylongxr5.jpg

hope u guys like it

Kyoto Long - has been suggested before... I want it!

Kyoto Club - has like 1 corner. -1 Sry.

Provided it has the fast first corner, it would be great.

Also, I really badly want Kyoto Club as it is a track that needs some more combos.

I think Aston GT is unused due to the rubbish first corner and that North is too long for FOX, but maybe a little on the short side for some tastes for the BF1 or GTR's.

And 1,500th post :banana:

Quote from duke_toaster :

Provided it has the fast first corner, it would be great.

Also, I really badly want Kyoto Club as it is a track that needs some more combos.

I think Aston GT is unused due to the rubbish first corner and that North is too long for FOX, but maybe a little on the short side for some tastes for the BF1 or GTR's.

And 1,500th post :banana:

The AS GT 1st corner is great. Every track (minus fern bay ) is great if it has at least one very slow corner.

Quote from Hyperactive :

The AS GT 1st corner is great. Every track (minus fern bay ) is great if it has at least one very slow corner.

No, it needs some fast corners as well. And FE Green is great IMO.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

I am however for getting rid of west hill as a stand alone course and just slapping it in as an extension of an existing course. As an example ive toyed with the idea of planting it as another outlying section of KY GP, allowing for an almost nordeshleife length course configuration.

Westhill is a great track and the only one of its kind in LFS. I wouldn't want to see it "slapped in" as an extension of any other config, none of them match Westhill at all.

There's no point in getting rid of something that's already implemented. My opinion about new configurations is that we need new ones at So and As simply because the environment is there and it wouldn't take much effort to create new layouts. We and Ky also needs new layouts but would require more work so I wouldn't mind having them only in S2 final.

I'll go ahead and retract my statement about westhill, even though i do believe it would work as an KY extension, in the right place. It does however sit as sort of the under achiever of the LFS brotherly order of racing facilities.

add a u-turn in the right place and it could easily have a club course bearing a startling resemblance to the east course at Suzuka (albeit with fewer curves).

If it werent extremely late for me i coul dprobably toss out a few more layout ideas with WE.

Anyone ever notice that big un-used hairpin at fern bay?

that FB u-turn was mentioned before, and i would love to have that one as well, or at least a small "oval" with just that track segment *g*

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

I'll go ahead and retract my statement about westhill, even though i do believe it would work as an KY extension, in the right place. It does however sit as sort of the under achiever of the LFS brotherly order of racing facilities.

The appeal of the tracks of LFS are not only the configuration of the actual track surface and layout, but also the environments. Each track has a different feeling in the environment. Thus, to tack Westhill onto KY, it would lose the appeal and feeling that it has being Westhill. The openness and desertedness feeling of Westhill is what I like about it.

Westhill was designed for the faster cars anyway, it isn't really suitable as a club course.

How about fixing the current tracks before making new tracks or even new configs? There are just so many stupid and simply unrealistic corners on every one of the current tracks. For example the chicanes.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

I'll go ahead and retract my statement about westhill, even though i do believe it would work as an KY extension, in the right place. It does however sit as sort of the under achiever of the LFS brotherly order of racing facilities.

add a u-turn in the right place and it could easily have a club course bearing a startling resemblance to the east course at Suzuka (albeit with fewer curves).

Sorry, looks quite boring config

Quote from Gunn :

Westhill was designed for the faster cars anyway, it isn't really suitable as a club course.

So was Suzuka, but you dont hear any complaining about thier east course

It's lack of tracks in the 1.8 to 2.3km bracket that causes the little diversity in track choice - these tracks suit most cars other than the BF1 and the STD class.

I've thought of a new SO and a kinda silly, Enna Pegusa style KY Circuit (NOT a substitute for the KY Club proposed - this one would be a bit on the silly side, like Enna used to be).

Aerial view of Proposed AS South

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

So was Suzuka, but you dont hear any complaining about thier east course

I'm trying to tell you that Westhill was designed for the faster cars of LFS. Are you even interested in knowing this or are you just here to argue? I've got better things I could be doing like, mowing the cat and washing the lawn.

I understood your point and made a counter point.

Just because the facility was originally designed with one type of car in mind doesnt mean possibilites should be ignored.

For instance Suzuka (to use the previous example) hosts f1 on the GP configuration, and other types of races on the east and west courses, such as touring cars

A counter point? Errr ..ok, have fun. I'm off to find that cat.

I don't see how the addition of good tracks would dilute the FLS experience/community/whatever.

I liked the Ky Club, KY long, and both the propsed ASton layouts (south and other). I would n't mind racing them one bit.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

Aerial view of Proposed AS South

Could also be called AS Cludet?

I give a +1 to all extra tracks, might not mean they'll get used, but at least it'll give more variety!

-1 from me, cuz its only as_club with a stop and go part from cadet

I think Westhill club would be a fun idea. Probably could have some fun, close racing with the road cars there.

Quote from foofighter :

-1 from me, cuz its only as_club with a stop and go part from cadet

something similar could be said about the AS north layout, cadet with part of GP tacked on