i am now racing thanks for the help lads it beats snooker into a cocked hat although i have to have some time out from the excitemient. I was thinking of starting a TOGS online racing team for the the over 50's with terry wogan or stirling moss as president. But....... I would have to set up a web page, how do you do that? perhaps one of my boys will give me some assistance. Watch this space for future developements