Quote from Clownpaint :

Do you have to be able to read his mind to see him pointing at the pit crew and looking over to them, and getting frustrated at the fact that they are holding him back more than once?

I don't.

Eh?

I saw that the lollipop got lifted which is the obvious sign for him to go. But he didnt.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Alonso didn't exit the pit box when the lollipop went up, he remained stationary for about ten seconds, which meant Hamilton (who was queueing behind him) missed the end of qualifying and didn't have time for a final run.

Ou, yea, i saw that, but didn't think of it that way... I don't want to believe that Alonso came so low.. No, it must've been something else, some problem, i don't know... if it is that what you guys are suggesting, then i don't know what to say..

Quote from Clownpaint :

Do you have to be able to read his mind to see him pointing at the pit crew and looking over to them, and getting frustrated at the fact that they are holding him back more than once?

I don't.

It's clear Alonso feels he is playing second fiddle to Hamilton. The last few races are his way of stating he still deserves to be #1. It's making for some great television.

That's a point, maybe Alonso's aim wasn't to ruin Hamilton's chances. IIRC most F1 drivers don't know much themselves about how much time they have left to leave the pits etc...

Alonso did look very worried indeed in the PC, and very relieved when they didn't ask him too many questions.

Ron Dennis certainly seemed to think it was deliberate, the way he grabbed Alonso's trainer and took his headphones off to give him a bollocking!

Wow... that was Dirty... no doubt about that.

I don't care for either of the mclaren drivers, so its fine by me if they take each other out T1...

if someone can be penalised for deliberately blocking someone opportunity of a flying lap...

schumacher at monaco and alonso at monza ....comes to my mind.... then deliberately blocking someone's opportunity at a fast lap heralds the same penalty?????


the FIA rules probably stipulates blocking someone's 'flying' lap... but to deliberately block someone from having that opportunity is worse?????

Quote from Intrepid :

the FIA rules probably stipulates blocking someone's 'flying' lap... but to deliberately block someone from having that opportunity is worse?????

It may be worse but it isn´t against the rules. FIA couldn´t possibly punish someone for standing in their own pit box even if it meant holding up the teamate. It´s the teams´ internal issue. The only one that can punish Alonso is Mclaren.

Alonso was Miffed as the team held him for 10 - 15 sec in the previous pit stop but it was obvious the team were just holding him so they could release him into space ontrack.

What he did on his last pitstop was blatent cheating, from Hamilton's point of view I see it as a good example that Alonso cannot run at the pace of Hamilton and it goes to show just how much pressure Alonso is under to resort to such underhanded tactics.

I would LMAO if the FIA put Alonso back 10 places for baulking a fellow competitor, as I'm sure Ferrari may report it and the FIA will have to then look into it....... I do not know the rules but there may be a case to answer if blocking also cover's the pit lane also, and if the rules state a fellow competitor that would have to include your team mate also would it not

Anyway time will only tell but I would not be surprised if Ferrari reported it in an attempt to level the playing field with Massa starting from 14th

Quote from zeugnimod :

Eh?

I saw that the lollipop got lifted which is the obvious sign for him to go. But he didnt.

He didnt go either on First Lap Attempt, he waited a sign from the McLaren Engineers Wall , in fact you can see how he looks at the Wall several times. The lollipop in Qually is just to indicate a free pit lane to go.

Im not defending Alonsos move, but I understand that was a Team's Mistake, Alonso was around 5 seconds waiting and Hamilton miss the light for more than 10 seconds.
Hamilton went around 17 laps the same as Alonso and Everyone, just Kimi was 18 laps. It was a mistake to extend an extra lap to attemp to gain fuel advantage, when They knew Alonso would be pitting at that moment.

Now it seems as Alonso's dirty trick. I'll wait to see how the afternoon goes...

Guys, stop speculating, i really doubt it that he was holding him off on purposse, i will wait for some official statement..

Mclaren aren't THAT stupid not to look at a CLOCK and realise Hamilton wouldn't have enough time to make a flying lap!

They would have known that they needed a quick in and out stop for both drivers.... they can look AT A CLOCK!!!!

It doesn't take a genius to see what ALonso was doing there.... cheating a team mate from the opportunity to take pole!

ITV F1

Quote :

The incident cost Hamilton, who had dominated the session, so much time that he could not complete his final flying lap.

"The team was holding me back in this," said Alonso.

"We tried to have a little bit of space, we had the Ferrari, in two stops, in front of us."

Television coverage of the incident appears to contrast with the Spaniard's view of events however.

While Alonso sat impassively in the pits, with Hamilton waiting behind to be serviced, McLaren personnel, including team principal Ron Dennis, frantically waved at their driver to vacate the box.

Afterwards Dennis was furious, g

if he looked at the pit wall he would have seen that they wanted him to GO

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Guys, stop speculating, i really doubt it that he was holding him off on purposse, i will wait for some official statement..

Open your eyes Boris

and any official statement will be total BS anyway just to save face if nothing else, also after the court case Ferrari will be very quick to take advantage of any situation, not that they need excuses as it's normal scenario anyway.

yeah teams arent so stupid...Thats why Massa miss Q3, because the team actully know how to add fuel loads, but they forget put the fuel on...

Guys Engineers are humans not robots...Stop judging without proofs, just because what you watched on ITV.

Quote from jamvib :

Stop judging without proofs, just because what you watched on ITV.

I watched it on RTL and also think that Alonso clearly cheated.

I think people seeing Ron Dennis waving at Alonso to go, and the lollipop being up, while Alonslow looks in his MIRROR tells you all you need to know!!!!

Im sure if a team wanted to hold you they would of done it via the lollypop, not glancing over to the pit wall.

Alonso is a GAY

is that supposed to be an insult or just your appreciation/judgment/opinion?

An opinion about his FAIR action against his team mate

lets see if alonso sits there for ten seconds at his pit-stop during the race..........

ive been a big alonso supporter, but that was disgusting.

The incident is being investigated. RD will be heard and the team radio will be reviewed. If it turns out that FA did what it looks like he did then he's a disgusting cheat.

Quote from Clownpaint :

This is stuff we haven't seen since the Senna/Prost era.

And the funny(?) thing is that they were also driving a McLaren at the time.
Looks like Ron Dennis has learnt nothing...

Quote from Intrepid :

schumacher at monaco

That was a mistake, check attached pic

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Alonso is a GAY

Good for him, F1 needs more homosexual role-models.

Quote from jamvib :

Im not defending Alonsos move, but I understand that was a Team's Mistake, Alonso was around 5 seconds waiting and Hamilton miss the light for more than 10 seconds.

Alonso waited for 9 or 10 seconds once the lollipop went up, Hamilton missed the end of the session by around 4 seconds.

Quote from mr grady :

lets see if alonso sits there for ten seconds at his pit-stop during the race..........

I think unless Alonso's got a bloody good excuse McLaren might decide to deliberately hold him up during his pit stops, to promote Hamilton.

If I were the FIA, I'd actually penalize Alonso because he was doing the same as blocking on the track (in qualifying), and should be penalized in the same matter.