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TBH I am getting more bored with topics like this than the tracks in LFS. In my opinion you should be happy with new combinations and updated track graphics, because the focus of S2 at the moment is getting the physics right and fixing the bugs.

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I've been playing LFS since spring 2003 and must say that after such a long time I'm really bored with the LFS tracks... There is not a track I have not driven on. Not with all cars, but it is not much of a difference when you drive a corner in different cars, the ideal line is almost the same and when selecting a track I already know where to drive... the only thing that changes are the braking points...

I just don't see why LFS could not be opened for "moderated modding". Let people make a track, but such a track could only be used offline... And then let the developers (and maybe some other trusted people) decide which track will it make to online... This way we will only have quality content and much more diversity in tracks!

There will still be popular combos for public racing (maybe even the same as are now), but leagues and people wanting to try something new will have the option to use other tracks...

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I just don't see why LFS could not be opened for "moderated modding". Let people make a track, but such a track could only be used offline... And then let the developers (and maybe some other trusted people) decide which track will it make to online... This way we will only have quality content and much more diversity in tracks!

There will still be popular combos for public racing (maybe even the same as are now), but leagues and people wanting to try something new will have the option to use other tracks...

This part of your post is more appropriate for this thread. Maybe you've already stated your opinion there, I haven't been following it, but posting it here will bring this thread entirely off topic. This is not a discussion about whether or not modding should be allowed, although the idea you put forth is in itself not bad

New content is always good so +1 but, its a big but so, BUT as already said there is improvements and changes to me made to other areas such as physics and AI not just the content of LFS. Yes more tracks would be good, either in a couple new combos or a whole new track. Whether we get any who knows, you would have to ask the devs directly.
The problem, which I feel gets overlooked, is that we have such a wide variety of cars from UF1 to BF1 for speed and LX to GTR's in weight. All of which have different characteristics and all of which suit different tracks. You wouldn't take a UF1 on a grand prix curcuit as would be too long, while you wouldn't take a formula 1 car on a little club track like fe club. To me I feel we have a range of tracks for each car so for bf1 we have aston gp, aston gt, ky gp and ky nat and you could include aston national, while for uf1 we have small south city and small fern bay etc etc.

But still more content +1 but personally i would rather have better physics and AI before tracks.

I don't think we have enough diverse tracks ( we really need tighter ones) but I don't really want them to be realistic as it often means boring!
However I think that a new patch should come first!

The choices in the poll are too narrow. I can't vote!

i dont mind if we get new traks that arent real but something would be nice like 3 new areas or somin only for now cos i would like to see a new track in the next patch even if its 1

I would like new tracks, but i would much rather see a patch come that will fix those buggy walls.

I agree that the red and white barriers that make you fly up when you hit them should be fixed first. Although having tracks like Spa, Silverstone, Monza, on LFS would be a dream.

Sim racing is you pretending to be a real racing driver, real tracks would complete this experiance.

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Atm only the Aston circuit is somewhat realistic in my eyes. Its the only circuit with a good balance between high speed and slow speed corners, and the only track i enjoy driving on. For instance Kyoto National is too boring with too much simular speed corners, the problem with most of the lfs tracks is that they havent got much difference in the corner speeds, Blackwood is a typical layout which has too much corners with the same corner speed... Its not only the Kyoto layouts which are boring or have very strange chicanes... More tracks have really strange corners or chicanes, Fern bay for instance... But enough about the tracks we have... This thread is about new tracks.

You see that's funny, Aston is probably the track I like the least (although Westhill is close). I just prefer twistier tracks.

To the topic though, I would agree LFS has far more diversity in cars than tracks atm, more quality content is always welcomed. I don't see anything happening anytime soon though. If you want to play other sims, that's great, variety is the spice of life, you should have a break from LFS, come back in 6 to 12 months and hopefully it will feel a lot fresher for you. I think many people just play, play, play and get LFS burn out. I've hardly played in about a year myself, trying to get back into it atm, just always find something else to do, or (as in the last couple of Thursdays) get invited out two hours before a race and can't really turn down much needed socialising for a computer game.

I'd take a handful of new locations over just about anything else. Existing cars are enough to have fun, online code good enough to have fun, physics easily good enough to have fun.....tracks getting tired now.

Devs will never be in a great rush to supply this demand though. They've got S2 to sell still, and the more they snag with the cheaper S2 the more will be upgrading to S3, which will not be so cheap as a one shot purchase. Unless they see the numbers playing dwindling to the point where people won't even come back when S3 is released, we're not going to get anything in the way of new content really, imo, they'll save it for S3. Also TBH a track update is only going to keep me interested for a short while, and that's only if it is actually better.

Well, guys keep to the point dont wander around too much about other things then the tracks ok.

TBH, i have most race games LEAGAL offcourse, atm im playing more and more and more Rfactor for instance then LFS, ok i will drive LFS for leagues etc, but still, if those leageu's werent there, i probably wouldnt be driving LFS at all AGAIN till a new patch...

For the die hard drivers its just getting boring, i made this thread because i felt i needed to post it, its getting on my nerves that im bored with the best race game...

Even if i would stop racing for lets say 6 months, it wont do any good, i can drive the tracks blind if i must... I only will loose some speed, the game will stay boring. Stopping for some time is not an option...

Only the online leagues keep me playing LFS sofar.... But i notice im training not very much for league races, normally i would do 1000km a day to train and setup, at this moment im like, ok 1 hour is enough...

The poll sofar tells me, that we need new tracks, its clear enough most of us are quite happy but we all almost agree on the fact that we need more places to race...

Anyways, lets wait and see what others have to say...

Well let's be honest, what poll result had you expected? Of course the majority of the people is going to say they want more tracks, that's a given. That's not going to change anything, though Yes, most people want new tracks... great... but they're not gonna get them any sooner now. Like said before, it will come when it comes.

As for you getting bored with LFS, that's fine too. Just stop playing then. Nobody's forcing you to. It's okay for you to stop liking a game, even if it's your favorite one. It happens all the time. If I get bored with a game I stop playing it, I don't go complaining that the developers should add more content to keep me interested. I also don't like the fact that you keep making generalizations like "most hardcore racers are bored with the sim" etc etc. Who are you to speak for other people? I'm actually pretty sure that most "hardcore" (define a hardcore racer, btw) racers are not bored with LFS at all. In fact, I think it's the other way around, it's the people who don't take racing very seriously that get bored quickly if they run out of new stuff to try out (not saying you are one of those people btw)

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Well let's be honest, what poll result had you expected? Of course the majority of the people is going to say they want more tracks, that's a given. That's not going to change anything, though Yes, most people want new tracks... great... but they're not gonna get them any sooner now. Like said before, it will come when it comes.

As for you getting bored with LFS, that's fine too. Just stop playing then. Nobody's forcing you to. It's okay for you to stop liking a game, even if it's your favorite one. It happens all the time. If I get bored with a game I stop playing it, I don't go complaining that the developers should add more content to keep me interested. I also don't like the fact that you keep making generalizations like "most hardcore racers are bored with the sim" etc etc. Who are you to speak for other people? I'm actually pretty sure that most "hardcore" (define a hardcore racer, btw) racers are not bored with LFS at all. In fact, I think it's the other way around, it's the people who don't take racing very seriously that get bored quickly if they run out of new stuff to try out (not saying you are one of those people btw)

Forgive me if you have another S2 license, but your license date is May 2007. You've had access to the tracks and cars for 4 months. There are plenty of people here who have memories of Fern Bay and South City that date back to 2003, that's 4 years. Aston, Westhill and Kyoto seem positively new by comparison, but we've had those for over 2 years. So no offence, but I don't think you're in a position to pass such a judgement.

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Rite, well ok... Thats your opinion then... Im definitly not someone like that. In my eyes, i see myself as a hardcore LFS driver, its someone who plays it every day for several hours, knowing every track inside out, and having a fair share of driven kilometers, in my eyes thats a Hardcore lfs driver.

According to the replys and the poll here you can say most of us want it, so whats the point in saying that im deciding for other ppl... Maybe i have put that sentence in a unlucky way, and i should have put it in a different way, so sorry for that then.

There is no need to make such a fuzzz about nothing, also your thinking that i want to force the devellopers making new tracks ASAP... Like i said before thats absolutely not the idea behind this. We dont need any rants for that. Its purely to see what others think, and maybe to give away a signal of what we would like next...

We dont know what the devellopers have in mind for us in the next patch... We cant demand anything from them, we only can give away problems with the software, improvement suggestions and give away signals of what the LFS community would like to see next. Thatswhy we have this forum to make the game better.

I waited long with this thread because it seems ppl see it as another track discussion topic with moaning ppl, and often you get discussions running out of hand, we dont need that offcourse.
I thought it was the right time to post and see how other people think about it.

Anyways, carry on giving opinions guys... And who knows what the devvs have in mind for us in the next patch...



Ow and plz no discussions about other guys, everyone is free to say what they want to say what they think. No matter if they have done 10k or 100k miles or kilometeres... But i think that amateur drivers dont have such a view of the game, as professional drivers who have been racing LFS since the DEMO or S1.

Dawm licensed since 2005 and still only 35 posts... HAHAHAHHAHA....

I'd love to see new tracks as long as they are focused on a more technical layout, narrower than other tracks already in S2 (maybe like the FE width, but that's still too wide in places.

I'm thinking a track a bit like Knockhill - built on the side of a mountain, narrow, hilly, technical and short with tonnes of character.

I think LFS has too many long tracks that are suited to single seaters and GTRs and not enough tracks that are suited to UF1/XFG, even the XFR and UFR and Turbo Class cars.

I know I'm going to get a beating for this, but I'm a fan of short tracks, of which on LFS there's only 4 or 5 (not inlcuding reverse variants - FE1, AS1, SO Sprint 1&2, SO1). Most tracks are 'Grand Prix' length which take ages to do in above mentioned cars.

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Forgive me if you have another S2 license, but your license date is May 2007. You've had access to the tracks and cars for 4 months. There are plenty of people here who have memories of Fern Bay and South City that date back to 2003, that's 4 years. Aston, Westhill and Kyoto seem positively new by comparison, but we've had those for over 2 years. So no offence, but I don't think you're in a position to pass such a judgement.

You're absolutely right No offense taken. I played LFS way back when there wasn't even talk of S1 but kinda forgot about it for a long time and only recently came accross it again to see that lots had changed and I decided to buy the license. But you're right, my experience with the game is still "fresh" compared to many other people here.

Just to be clear on this, I'm not saying that LFS doesn't need new tracks. Of course new tracks are more than welcome. Like I said in my previous post, it's pretty obvious what the result will be if you start a poll like this and I don't really see the purpose in it (then again, the same could probably be said about 50% of all threads here ). I just disagree with statements saying that most diehard LFS'ers are becoming bored with the game. That's certainly not the impression I get when reading the forum. Of course, that may not be very objective as people that are bored with the game probably wouldn't bother posting here either

Erm i guess YOU cant decide for Die hards if they are not bored by the game do you??? Thatswhy were running this small poll to see what the majority thinks...

A bit of the same thing i said isnt it???

But you say you dont see the purpose of this poll, so youre basically saying this thread is useless like all other 50% of the topics on here... Well i doubt that very much my fellow driver, then this game wouldnt be on the level it is right now... If you find it useless why bother posting then???

i voted for new tracks, but lets face it, it wont come in a long time.
im getting quite bored playing same thing for few years. Last months im mainly watching races then racing, cuz i dont see any more fun in it. ist eaven a mirracle that im sticking with LFS for this long, since the begining (the 1st ever demo). usually i get bored of games alot faster.

Scawen could, but that's not the point of LFS, and would actually slow development for quite a while.

Eric could, and maybe he has/is tried/trying to arrange deals with tracks. But if he wants to make tracks by himself (which means the tracks will be made in the same style, as with the cars) then that's great.

The music isn't really done anymore (for good reasons). Victor is more involved with the LFSW interface and technical support (though some of that is now in the hands of Geraldine).

Why should they think bigger? LFS is doing fine overall. I don't think it would improve LFS's shape - if anything it would probably reduce the quality of everything at the expense of arguable quantity.

nKP has a team of around 6 people iirc. Stefano does the coding (most of it, at least), but others do the cars, tracks, sounds etc iirc. Development is slow and the game isn't working because Stefano set targets and promises he couldn't match, wasn't able to cope with the pressure, and takes too many holidays.

Scawen has met with some of us, and he discussed openly his thoughts and plans.

Yet again you prove that you are more of an rFactor type player, and not one of the true LFS mould. You always see the negatives of the indie approach, and never the positives. Name one racing sim that, through a bigger team and bigger budgets, is better than LFS overall? Huh? Huh? That's right, you can't.

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Erm i guess YOU cant decide for Die hards if they are not bored by the game do you???

I'm not saying that they're not bored. I'm saying that I disagree with you speaking for them and that my impression is that they're not bored.

Quote from Koopa :

Thatswhy were running this small poll to see what the majority thinks...

"The majority" and "the diehard LFS'ers" are two different groups of people.

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But you say you dont see the purpose of this poll,

You're right, I did say that. I still think the poll is useless as it has not enough options to nuanciate (word?) and you could have easily predicted what the results would be, just like you could easily guess what the results would be if you ran a poll that asked "Do you like LFS?" with 2 options "Yes" and "No". This thread, however, does serve a purpose and it's nice to see some of the viewpoints people have in respect to the track aspect of the game.

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so youre basically saying this thread is useless

The poll, yes. The thread, no.

Quote from Koopa :

like all other 50% of the topics on here...

I said that in jest, hence the smiley.

Quote from Koopa :

If you find it useless why bother posting then???

To say that the poll is useless, d'uh!

Anyway, let's just leave it at that eh, enough off topic arguing. I was a bit wound up after a long day's work (yes, on a saturday) and my post turned into a rant.

Guys this is too far offtopic... Plz stick to it plzz....

And nope indeed there is no better game then LFS... But you can get bored after years of driving or can ya???

Not bored of the gameplay or the races, but its the tracks...

Now give others the chance to reply, we dont need guys who tend to give their thoughts about other ppl their reply's... Everyone has a different opinion and lets respect that ok?

Oh c'mon it's not end of world. I think if we could get only 1 new place with few layouts it would be great improvement to game.

Leagues are starting to be boring, we are having 6 tracks, and normally leagues should have 10-20 tracks. Racing on same track but other layout isn't real imo.

I'm not asking like others here 3 new tracks, just 1 new is enough. Even if we can get new layout it would be great add on to sim. Like WE has only 1 layout, maybe one more there and whole LFS community is super happy.

A new track isn't going to solve anything.

Let me use your own stats as an example. You've never run half of the South City tracks or really any of the rallycross tracks either. That's a good few combos you're missing.

The problem isn't the number of tracks LFS has, it's the number of servers running the same boring over-used combos. For some reason people only want to race places they could drive with their eyes closed, so we keep getting the same old crap day after day.

I'd like to see a temporary ban put on AS National and KY Oval just to see what people would do

Victor doesn't do tracks