We can think that spying case like a same kind of thing. They didn't touch the drivers points there and you think they should do it now? If bmw and williams drivers didn't knew about it and i really think they didn't why should they take points off from them?
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We can think that spying case like a same kind of thing. They didn't touch the drivers points there and you think they should do it now? If bmw and williams drivers didn't knew about it and i really think they didn't why should they take points off from them?
It seems that the constructors points will be taken away, but there are ongoing arguments about this. BMW of course doesn't like the idea. Drivers points should remain. This decision would be consistent with other decisions taken during this championship. Otherwise there could be a fine.
Edit: A few minutes more for the sentence. There could be an appeal to the court of Paris, however.
Edit: A few minutes more for the sentence. There could be an appeal to the court of Paris, however.
So I could turn up and race F1 with a car completely outside of the rules... rev limiter 20k, tyre softner, whatever I want... but because I didn't know I could still race for WDC points??? HMMM.....
Sincerely, Intrepid, why don't you stop it? I understood your point of view, and at this time of the night I'm generally far from being smart. I guess everyone understood.
No offense Intrepid, but if that flag next to you was not British, and say.. maybe a Finnish flag, you would be jumping up and down how Kimi finally won the title..
I'm not being racist one bit, I'm not stereotyping or anything, I'm just saying.. Lewis lost, and thats that, its not going to change. But he did a good job don't forget.
If Lewis won the WDC, would you still be talking about all of this about BMW and Williams? What if the results were all sorted so that Lewis won the WDC, but Alonso should win if the BMW/Williams gets penalized? You would not talk at all, you would say Lewis won fair and square. You wouldn't give a sh*t what happens to the 21 other drivers.
Though, i should shut my mouth because i have no right to say what you would do..I could be wrong and you may not even like Lewis and don't follow him. If that, then sorry..
I'm not being racist one bit, I'm not stereotyping or anything, I'm just saying.. Lewis lost, and thats that, its not going to change. But he did a good job don't forget.
If Lewis won the WDC, would you still be talking about all of this about BMW and Williams? What if the results were all sorted so that Lewis won the WDC, but Alonso should win if the BMW/Williams gets penalized? You would not talk at all, you would say Lewis won fair and square. You wouldn't give a sh*t what happens to the 21 other drivers.
Though, i should shut my mouth because i have no right to say what you would do..I could be wrong and you may not even like Lewis and don't follow him. If that, then sorry..
I have witnessed a driver I supported cheat people I didn't like out of winning races and taking trophies... once they were confirmed they had cheated I was gutted with them, and absolutely disgusted.. I was truly gutted for the people who had lost out... luckily the cheater was caught and fined, and not in the sport any more.... If Hamitlon hadn't finished the race I would be calling for the exact same sanctions!!!
Please to not question my integrity because I am British.... Nationaility is irrelevant to me...
as apposed to having a mcferrari chassis and still being allowed to fight for the WDC?
I noticed several people have mentioned the ferrari scandal to you and youve skipped it, if you skip this one its a fair bet that your a hypocrite and a bit of a tit.
ive been a mclaren fan since the first time i knew F1 existed and was naturally a hamilton fan this year. However, i still like kimi from his time at mclaren, and he's long overdue the championship. Hamilton will have several more opportunities, and its a bit unjust that he should win it by a couple of people being DQ'd. He has the skill to win outright and ive every faith in him being able to do it in the coming years.
I was waiting for an answer by Intrepid before because the issue has been raised several times, but he didn't manage to answer. I'm still waiting.
Best to wait official decision from FIAsco...
So your suggesting that you can breach the rules in certain circumstances?
The McLaren/Hamilton situation is irrelevant. Whether they should be on the gird is a different argument.
I don't support cheating on any level, and to be honest I have never really come to a solid conclusion about StepneyGate.
But what I am sure of is that there has been a breach of f1 rules by 4 cars, which has given them a performance advantage during the race!
Are you suggesting punishment is only relative to who you beat? In my book that's ludicrous! You can't avoid punishing someone because of how it effects the championship.... that is just plain wrong....
So if the BMW had tyre softener, illegal rev limiter, and wings that fell out of the rules they shouldn't be punished...just because Kimi deserves the title? The overall championship shouldn't even come into it!!
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I've come to a solid conclusion, Intrepid. You could be the first to land in my ignore list. I don't like the way you attack and run away from the debate, reiterating your points ad nauseam.
Solid conclusions... just like testicles. They are extremely personal. Sometimes in a boring way.
Solid conclusions... just like testicles. They are extremely personal. Sometimes in a boring way.
to counter, your only really going on about this because your beloved hamilton would win the WDC if BMW and williams got punished. Never once has a driver lost points from a fuel temperature thing, the constructor has lost points, which may still happen considering the FIA havent actually told anybody anything, but the drivers points havent been taken off. Why should it change just because hamilton would win the championship?
And stop going on about the fictional supercheat car, repeating it every post as if it means something just makes you sound like an idiot.
And the mcferrari thing does come into it. Mclaren and hamilton could quite possibly have gained performance from ferrari documents, which is cheating. You saying that thats basically okay, but running a couple of degrees less fuel, probably by pure accident, should get the drivers chucked out of the race just makes you sound like a complete hypocrite, and just makes everybody think even less of your posts than they usually do.
What precisely does 2 BMWs, and 2 Williams breaching the F1 Rule Book have to do with what happened between Ferrari and McLaren?
You are trying to somehow sanction not punishing cheating, because of who was cheated.
You have to look at the case on it's own otherwise you become influenced.
On it's own without considering ANYTHING ELSE you have to say BMW, and Williams gained an unfair advantage by running illegal fuel temperatures during an F1 race!
I don't see in the rule book anywhere 'Punishment for running illegal fuel or parts depends solely on who you finished in front of'
Stepneygate is irrelevant to this specific case!
You are trying to somehow sanction not punishing cheating, because of who was cheated.
You have to look at the case on it's own otherwise you become influenced.
On it's own without considering ANYTHING ELSE you have to say BMW, and Williams gained an unfair advantage by running illegal fuel temperatures during an F1 race!
I don't see in the rule book anywhere 'Punishment for running illegal fuel or parts depends solely on who you finished in front of'
Stepneygate is irrelevant to this specific case!
Intrepid you can get the example from mclarens punishment in spying scandal. Again why should they take the points off now?
That case was like the pattern-setting model (dunno if that's right term)
That case was like the pattern-setting model (dunno if that's right term)
creating a hypothetical which it seems none of you will even consider because you know your response will agree with me. That isn't me being an idiot, but questioning whether you lot are not influenced by 'who' was cheated
:ices_rofl
(I'm not repeating myself. I can distinguish between comical and ridiculous.)
Why should they punish these drivers by taking them out of the race, whereas mclarens were allowed to continue running and keep there drivers points?
Idiotic hypocrite.
Stepneygate is not irrelevant, trying to pretend it is makes you seem like even more of a blind fanboy.
No, it is not a different argument. It is the same; you are against cheating. You can't ignore the McFerrari situation. For those 3 cars to be disqualified, McLaren should have been banned from competition this year. End of story. Period.
You're choosing which rule-breakers to punish.
No it's not irrelevant.
In common law legal systems, a precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a or other judicial body adopts when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts (from wikipedia).
From what I can recall the FIA could not secure that any
1. Illegal parts were being run on the car
2. that parts on the car were designed with knowledge of the Ferrari materal
They ASSUMED quite a lot, but not could not really 100% prove it. The evidence was strong, but not conclusive. The element of doubt was very important ion this case.
However with the BMW, and Williams case the COLD hard evidence is there.
Let;s take another example. If I jump the start and gain what .250 would I not be punished with a driver through??? Surely an estimated 10hp advantage over 70 laps is WAY ON AND ABOVE .250.
If you gain an unfair advantage by driving 1. illegally 2. running illegal patrs or fuel you have to punished properly!
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Intrepid, do you seriously believe in what you write? You know, you have a certain comedic sense... And I thought you had no sense of humour. I was wrong.
blind fanboy?
If Spyker did this I would be calling for the same thing, same with MACCA!
With Stepneygate I couldn't help but question MAX's personal motives, and the integrity of the FIA.
I have never once suggested that MACCA are clean (i may have done actually but not now lol).... I have suggested their is doubt to their guilt, but never suggested they are clean....and maybe they should have been excluded.
Resorting to name calling with things like 'idiot' says more about me than it does about you. If you can't engage in a debate without resorting to that then surely your motives for debating are far different from the subject of the thread.
If Spyker did this I would be calling for the same thing, same with MACCA!
With Stepneygate I couldn't help but question MAX's personal motives, and the integrity of the FIA.
I have never once suggested that MACCA are clean (i may have done actually but not now lol).... I have suggested their is doubt to their guilt, but never suggested they are clean....and maybe they should have been excluded.
Resorting to name calling with things like 'idiot' says more about me than it does about you. If you can't engage in a debate without resorting to that then surely your motives for debating are far different from the subject of the thread.
Oh, come on! Did they get 100 Million dollar fine from that? And did they lose all their team points?
Btw they assumed that 10hp advantage was like 2-3laps only cause the fuel heats up in the tank.
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